LOl, there are a couple of us that are in this predicament.

Need to open up some space as well

Just entered the club yesterday. Pretty impressed so far. Need to do surgery on the game today tho. The ship shots do not register, nor does the ship lock the balls. They did work on arrival but something happened around game 10 or so. Need to pull the ship cover and open the manual.

Joe at PinballStar. I ordered early the morning the game was announced

Yea I am thinking opto also. I did hear something hit the bottom of the cabinet similar to the sound a screw makes when it drops sometime during the first few games.. Will update later once I get inside the ship

That is correct. lost the c clip off the post. Found the c clip in the bottom of the cabinet. Used the link above. All good.
Excellent support form Steve at AP!!!!!!!

So in the club with about 40 games so far. For those that are waiting, I believe you will be happy!

Excellent packaging. My first NIB AP( I had a Houdini HUO from a trade for about 15 minutes) So I was impressed.

Beautiful game. I like the art work. Different style than any thing else I have/had.

Mirror back glass looks super.

The gold powder coating looks solid. I am not a fan of gold powder, but this comes off well.

The apron looks great with the gold inlay. Cannot read the instructions on the left side of the apron. Font is too small. My wife noticed and pointed it out. I told her it was ancient Norse writing due to the theme. She was impressed. My story and I am sticking to it .

Top of the class hardware used under the play field. Very impressed with that.

Sound / sound tracks are outstanding. I struggle to think of a game with a better sound track.

A lot of call outs to help along the way.

A lot of hand drawn pics for display on the LCD. Similar approach as JJP Pirates. I can see how this is not somes cup of tea. Fine for me. Sound and call outs more important to my play.

All the shots are satisfying. The two outside loops are tight but can be hit. The ramps are pretty cool as well. For the two that return the ball to the flippers, a weaker shot seems to get pulled through the bend. The ramp to the ship is very makeable. Reminds me of Dr Who. The two inner loops are really cool with the magnet helping.

Plenty of flipper power to make all the shots

Combo’s are make able and satisfying.

Light show is very good. I prefer colored GI setting over bright white. The lightning show at the end of each ball is top shelf.

Code seems well done. A lot to do and battle sequences are player selectable to head off linear play. Need to study the rules a bit to better under stand.

Plastics look better in person. I like Odin, the skull pile is ok. Only one I do not like is the plastic warrior “collect weapons to unlock” guy. I may remove him when my mod couples mods show up. The ship looks better in person as well

Real knocker that is integrated with game play versus just match/ extra game. Cool idea.

Shaker could be used a little more. Maybe future code.

Overall a very nice package. Will be interesting to see where the code goes. I think more AP games will be in my future .

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Double post. Sorry

Yes putting in boat house.Did not notice the ramp sounds until you pointed out. Nice little touch!

Uploading new code now !

So own this cool game less than a week. Get new code and find out also getting new side art as part of the package.

What is not to love about that????

No , not yet.

I am a deluxe owner, but if I was in your place I would think this way:

First off, this is a real sleeper of a game at this point. It has very good to excellent play. The shots are very rewarding. The sound track is one of the best in pinball. The rules are fun! There is a lot to them and you do have mode selection options. You can understand them with some time on the game and a little reviewing of the rules write up's.

Ok, now, the Deluxe pricing was announced last October. Unfortunately, parts availability/inflation has continued since that time. That has to cut into the future price difference tween the two game options.

The money value of the listed deluxe features above maybe worth 1000 to 1200?

Their new Hot Wheels are pricing out in the mid 6K range. I would expect they're pricing to be comparable to the existing Hot Wheels games and come in the the mid to hi 6K range. At 7K , value wise , to me at least NIB to NIB they are a push.

That being said these games are not taking off in the secondary market like the Stern's. A great Pinsider has a deluxe on the market with an 800 dollar or so discount ( sound like the old days !) I would have no hesitation in buying his game right now

Added mine!!

Couple of questions

I believe I got Victory laps in one game? If I did , how did I do that?

Can the War on Land modes have an ending such as Victory laps?

Can the knocker be integrated more with the game play/extra balls/replays?

This is absolutely true!!!! The support on this game is excellent. I only had one problem out of box. It was a quick fix and the game has been rock solid since.

Keep shooting those center ramp shots to get Rampage. I think it is ten times. Lot of cool "Mini" modes like that in the game. The rule sheet is only a couple of pages. Gets to the bottom line pretty quickly. Helped me understand what was going on better.
Enjoy

I agree here. I have not made Ragnarok, but this would take the game over the top in a lot of ways. Killing the Kraken for example good use more umph! Looking forward to the shaker package .

Loaded the new code with no problems. The shaker additions are well implemented. Increases the intensity of the game. Looking forward to polish type code enhancements.

100 percent agree. Add in the recent code change for more integrated use of the shaker and this game is "A" list.

What is surprising to me is that the distributors still have the Deluxe's in stock. If this was a Stern game the shelves would be empty and there would be threads all over the place on why American can not meet demand. I have not played much Godzilla but this game is better any other recent Stern/ JJP game I have played

As we are asking . I would like to see a bit more polish/ drama when some tasks are started like war at sea or the kraken modes. Definitely do not need to make the game harder for my play.

Best in class support demonstration right there.

Luvthatapex2, you do your company well in this thread. Also all the the other AP team member who are on here as well .

I played 20 or so games of LOV yesterday. What a great game and it is getting better with each update.

What play field angle are people finding as the best for smooth shooting on this game?

Any more software updates in the works?

On the left lane, I removed the plastic piece above it. That way could see the lane much better. That helped my success. I have also found softer shots with less velocity seem to travel around the loop better than real hard shots.

Agree. I had one problem out of the box that was resolved in minutes. The support from the OEM through this thread is super strong. This is an extremely well built game. You can play the heck out of it with small worries.

So spent this morning "tuning" my game with excellent results.

First thing I did was pull the glass and used my phones digital level to adjust the right front leg a bit to improve the side to side unevenness.

My game had problems making the outside loops and the most right hand shot into the shooting lane .

The loops rattled and rejected. The right most shot , when made with speed, would hit the wood side rail of the shooter lane and bounce back into the playfield.

The side to side adjustment with the digital level helped the loops a bit. I then watched where the loop shots rattled. On the left side, the post to the upper left of the ramp target was a problem. Removed it totally (had removed the rubber on it earlier). this open up the entry into the left orbit. Adjusted the steel metal guide rails, on the ends, in the left loop a bit with needle nose. There were two adjusted.

On the right loop , also watched where the rattles were and adjusted two metal guide rail ends where the rattles occurred . basically opened up the line of travel a few thousandths.

On the most right hand shot. I was going to adjust the metal ball guide , but for now, just put a piece of rubber on the wooden shooter lane rail where the ball struck to cushion the blow so that the ball does not bounce back onto the playfield. The ball now just drops into the shooter lane as designed.

Overall results were pretty dramatic. Both loops are made significantly more often and the right side shot does what it is supposed to do.

Had my best score yet and already seen parts of the game I have not seen before.

Overall this game needs a little more love out of the box. Part of the problem with the loop rejects is the thickness of the metal side rails. Since the game has hi quality /thicker side rails the clunkiness occurs. A few tweeks with the needle nose make a big difference.

LOV is the most under rated newer game on the market IMHO .

Great theme, interesting layout, fun / non linear rules and possibly the best OEM soundtrack music in a pinball game.

Recently I made some small mechanical adjustments that dramatically improved the ability to make the outer two loops and the right most shot into the shooter lane. Those adjustments plus some side to side leveling really opened this gem up for me.

This is my go to game right now in my collection. Winning the battles is very satisfying and learning how to use Thor's hammer really helps getting thru them all.

Luvthatapex2's dedication to this thread and the game's development is second to none.

I am very surprised NIB Deluxe's are still available, but this is a love the Stern "hits" market.

I basically listed in post # 1145 in this thread. PM me with any questions

Looking forward to the update. I continue to adjust the metal ball guides and continue to improve the smoothness of the shots. Once you start hitting the shots smoothly, the game play really opens up.

Need tech help. Sent in a service request
Game boots
lights work
switches work
ball does not load
flippers do not work
can not find manual. do not see fuses anywhere.

Thank you. Looks like that is what happened. I powered down the game and it worked fine. I had booted it a couple of times but must have been too fast. As always , thanks for monitoring this thread and the quick response.

FWIW, I keep tuning this game and the shots keep getting smoother and smoother. The metal side rails cause the rejects and clunky shots. The shot geometry is really good, just need to tweak the metal. This is my go to game and is getting more so. Prior to this I felt GOT pro was my smoothest shooting game. I am thinking LOV can get to that point.

Big Week??????

That sounds like a software release to me .

Not sure if this is a bug. Having a good game. Just finished the regular ship multiball followed by raid multi ball. Down to one ball. Loaded the ship with it and the game just sat there. Every thing looked ok. Waited 10 minutes and no ball search. Eventually had to re boot and everything was fine.

I thought that. But never had that problem before or after. The balls are detected fine.

Also made all three God of Thunder shots at the top and did not get credit on the playfield. Never had that happen before either.

An update!!! Yes!!!

Lol, no not secret.

Each game is going to be a little different. Small variances in ball path’s can cause the pinball to rattle.

So here is my best explanation.

Pull glass. Take a pair of needle nose and start making shots. Observe where on your game the rattles occur.

The thickness and bends of the metal ball guides cause the rattles. With the needle nose pliers, at your observed rattle points, make small adjustments to either open the pathway or change the curvature of the ball guides. Very small adjustments make a difference. It becomes an iterative trial and error.

By following the above trial and error, I have seen improvements in both outer loops, the inner Kraken loop and the path way on the right most shot into the shooting lane.

On the rightmost shot to the shooter lane, the metal ball guide creates a tight opening to the shooter lane. I had to pull the plastic piece above the metal ball guide, remove a screw that secures the ball guide in place to make sufficient adjustments to open up the entry point into the shooter lane. I left the screw out.

All other adjustments were done without pulling plastics or any other pieces.

As far as “rubber” pieces, I put in one 1” piece. Actually used a Velcro piece with tape on it. I placed it in the right most wooden side rail in the shooter lane. It was positioned to soften the blow as the ball goes through the opening adjusted above and hits the wooden side rail. On my game the ball would rebound back into the playfield through the opening. With the Velcro and the ball guide adjustments at the opening, rebounds back to the play field are about one in ten.

Last adjustment was I removed the post at the entryway to the left most loop on the right side of the entryway. I believe the post was there to protect the target it is behind for right to left loopshots but I feel it is worth opening up the entry way

Hope this helps

On the right most shot into the shooter lane, I also think adjusting the bend on the entry ball quide helped also. Getting the ball to track downward in the shooter lane help also on the rebounds.

Not really taking needle nose to the machine. More of tweeks you can not even see. A 1/16th adjustment can make a difference.

Any reviews?

For the shooter lane shot, I adjusted the metal guide at the entry point a bit to both open it up and guide the ball so that it travels down into the shooter lane. Small adjustments make a big difference, especially on that shot. I can see where steeping the play field would help that shot also

I am going to make a recommendation to American Pinball.
First, I love this game. Built like a tank , great rules, excellent background music, once dialed in great shots, non linear, etc.

Yet, despite all the positives it struggles in the market. There are still
NIB with distributors and the secondary market requires a significant discount for sales.. This is not good for AP or the original buyers. Tough to buy a NIB game, if one is taking a 1500 dollar bath. I am not one that buys as an investment, but still it must be considered..

If I was AP management, I would make a small investment in paying the game software engineers to go over the top in developing more special effects for the game . The rules seem fine to me , but the effects in the game could be amped up to make the game standout. An example is when the ship multiball is achieved. It could be more dramatic.
I am not the most creative person, so I am sure others have better ideas. You can see the improvement in sales Stern achieves when it makes dramatic improvements in code to struggling games.

Just a thought. Again I really like this game!

Got to Valhalla for the first time today. Cool sound on the mode. Such a great game

I would open a trouble ticket with American. They have helped me the few times I needed it.

Great work!

THANK YOU for all the support you have personally provided this thread and this game.

I have stated several times ,but, LOV is the most under appreciated game in the last couple of years.

Thanks again for continuing to improve and take ideas on code.

I am another vote for more fanfare . For us novices, around some of the easier to reach goals likes multi ball would be greatly appreciated .

More improvements on the most undervalued recent game in pinball.

Thank you very much

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LOV is the most under appreciated LCD game available today.

Great theme. How can you not like Vikings?

Cool rules.

Satisfying shots. Once you get the game tweaked.

Outstanding original music

Built like a tank. Mirrored back glass

Supportive manufacturer.

Great pinside code support.

The game just is not desired on pinside. It’s not a Stern. AP needs to look at this game and say what are we doing wrong? The secondary market is killing this game. Hard to buy a NIB from AP when it drops in value as much as this game has. At present market prices , this game is a steal.

I did basically the same thing for this shot and a few of the orbits to smooth the shots out and stop rattle rejects. Improved the game dramatically for me