I'm in for a premium! Went with Trent.

I posted this on the other thread but thought I would re-post. Although the upper flipper shot is not fun or satisfying, it is far from useless. Even in this early stage of code, there is quite a lot already programmed for that shot. It does create some side to side action, but I was usually able to save the ball if need be.

Shooting the upper flipper shot will award:
● + time seconds to Icarus X timer
● 2X song scoring value (when song arrow is lit)
● And it awards one of the following (awards for current ball in play only):
○ Super Spinner (boosted spinner value for 100 spins)
○ Super Pops (boosted pop bumpers for 100 hits)
○ Super Slings (Slingshot values 5000 for up to 100 hits)
○ Super Ramps (2x Song awards on ramps) for up to 10 ramp shots

And This During Zeppelin MB:

Once all jackpots are made and super jackpot is lit at the left eject, and 2x super jackpot is lit at
the upper flipper shot. Completing ROCK, LED, and ZEP targets prior to collecting will multiply
the super jackpot up to 3x (6x if you collect on the upper flipper shot). Collecting either super
jackpot shot unlights the other one and starts you over at the beginning collecting jackpot shots.

And This During Tour MB 1977

● Switch Frenzy [US 1977]
○ All switches score points and add it to the jackpot
○ Jackpot always lit at left eject
○ Super jackpot equal to 3x jackpot is available at side target / ramp
○ Collecting jackpot or super jackpot increases switch values (increases more
with super jackpot) and resets jackpot value

Just my personal opinion, those flipper rubbers look terrible. I would go with purple, red, or orange. I see the small amount of green you're trying to tie into, but it just doesn't meld with the rest of the playfield.

The one time I noticed the gate close was when I was in a tour mode that required pop hits. It seemed like a nice feature to stop the ball and drop it into the pops. I'm sure there are more situations where it is used and probably more coming.

I've played two different LZ pro's now and I can say that airballs are almost non-existent. That should help keep dimples down to a minimum. The clear coat on both examples looked great.

Fantastic choice of colors! I might steal that idea when I get mine!

A good while back my friend was able to get a populated PF for his GB. They sent the PF in a special box. We swapped it out and then used the same box to ship the old PF back to Stern. Might be easier than another game and two trips up/down the stairs. Good luck, my friend. I hope they get it sorted out for you!

Got word from my distributor today. Premiums on the line very soon!

Got word that my Premium will be shipping soon. I moved some games around and got the space ready!

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You guys are tripping. The top photo shows the spinner in mid-spin to demonstrate where the friction can occur. The photo and drawing totally make sense to me.

Spinner arms should always be double 90 degrees. Someone keeps mentioning 45 degrees which would really be jacked up. LOL

Thanks for the detailed review! I am getting excited as the check has been cashed for my LZ premium.

One thing I always do when exposed wires like that bother me. Just take a black sharpie and black out the wires. You'll almost never see them again! Just leave a small portion near the connector with the colors remaining. That way if you ever have to do any work in that area you'll know which wires go where.

But that only equals a 35HP tractor? I think you'll need more.

I'm hoping that the premium without the invisiglass won't have this issue.

My premium has already shipped! I hope to have it in the next couple of days.

Just heard from shipping co. My premium will be here tomorrow!

met = Metallica

I can say I've played two different LZ pros and one had the clunk and the other didn't. Not sure why. We did open up the one with the clunk and could find nothing out of the ordinary with the mech.

"SILVERJET™ pinballs may retain magnetism if the game has magnet features." From the Marco website.

My premium came in yesterday! Game worked great right out of the box. I have done a few tweaks like adjusting the wireform position on both inlanes for a smoother transition. Also adjusted the right flipper switch for better action on the upper flipper. Put a coat of wax on it. Put a dab of Tri-flow on both spinners. EM spinner has been fine, no problems there. Added some blue perfect plays on all three flippers. The wife loves it. Happy Wife, Happy Life!

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Added Top of the Charts Challenge Mode:

Display the game mode menu by holding in both flippers.
Choosing Top of the Charts challenge mode starts a challenge mode game.
Top of the Charts Challenge is plays through all 10 songs starting from
a fixed number of sales. Shooting lit shots and hitting switches advances
the number of sales.
When a player earns 999,999 sales, shooting the left eject will award a
platinum record, advance the player to the next song, and add an
additional ball into play.
When the song ends, Top of the Charts challenge ends, all balls in play
will drain, and the game will end.
Player starts with 4 balls in play.
Shooting the ejects during a song increases the song shots and sales
earned at each shot to 2x and 3x.
When a player drains all balls in play, the song sales they have earned
are reduced and a ball is returned to play.
Added a leaderboard to show the top 3 Top of the Charts challenge scores
and Top of the Charts challenge times.
Added a high score entry for Top of the Charts multi-album master.

No real explanation of the "Multi Album Master". My best is two. I'm going to guess it is how many songs completed while maintaining a MB.

I did some glass off testing of the colors for the individual band members. Yes, you can check these in your instant info, but I wanted to get a visual representation at a glance. Keep in mind, this is not your total Icarus X, just one of the four band members that get multiplied together.

Dark Orange 1.0-1.1
Lighter Orange 1.2-1.3
Shades of Yellow 1.4-1.9
Light Green 2.0-2.2
Darker Green 2.3-2.5
Blue/Green 2.6-2.7
Shades of Aqua 2.8-3.6
Light Blue 3.7-3.9
Dark Blue 4.0-4.3
Shades of Purple 4.4-4.9
Shades of Pink 5.0-5.6
Magenta 5.6-5.9
Dark Orange starts over at 6.0

Of course, most of us will never see most of these colors. It's hard enough to get past any shade of green. But at least this gives some reference.

I've not had a single issue with the spinner. Of course, I knew ahead of time about the issues. So I don't shoot the spinner while it's spinning. I also don't shoot the EM at all while it is moving up or down. To be perfectly honest, quite often I just ignore it until it goes back down because there's just not much coded into that mode yet and the points from it are way too low.

I haven't had any crashes at all. But a couple of times on boot up I get a weird grainy pattern on the screen and then it gives up and reboots itself. It has never failed to boot up, just does it weirdly every now and then.

Holy crap! 3.9 GB. With my slow ass internet it will be tomorrow before I can install.

I really like the sound of Mothership MB mini-wizard mode! Also having the final wizard mode coded is a big deal. With the increased album sales per song shot maybe I will get there someday.

I like the idea of the piano solo section during Trampled Under Foot.

Plus a couple songs get new and improved Expression lighting.

Another EB after 10 left ramps? Do we really need another EB?

Oh snap. I read that as "Zeppelin shots" aka left ramp. Yeah, 10 side ramps is a tough challenge worthy of another EB!

Yeah, there's nothing quite like looping the center ramp during the guitar solo with a hefty Icarus X running. Wait, yes there is something better. Looping two balls at once!

I got an 18.5 Icarus X today and it was sweet!

I highly recommend going into settings and move the EM difficulty up one notch harder. You'll still get the EM spinner but not nearly as often.

Got a few games in on the new code. I like the new "jingling" sound to let you know when you have made it to 5 gold records. Getting to Platinum is now slightly easier. I made it to Mothership MB for the first time, but I got way too excited and started bricking every shot, drained out and scored only 5.5 million from the mode. The graphics on the screen at the beginning of Mothership were incredible.

Anyway, I just got my 2nd best score at 801M.

Just an FYI. A newish feature that many may not be aware of. Hold in the left flipper button and start together for a few seconds to end the current game at any time, even on 1st ball.

See if the coil fires in test mode. Remember that door must be closed.

I have gotten a very few airballs off the right slingshot into the left outlane. I've already turned down the slingshot power. Time to turn it down some more.

The balls that came in my Led Zep were perfect. No reason to replace them unless they look bad. I am not a fan of shaker motors. After playing both the premium and the pro, I think the Expression Lights are a must have for the pro.

Remember to install the tilt bob. Make sure game is level. Pitch is kind of personal taste, but I like most Sterns with the back legs 1/2 way extended and fronts legs all the way in.

And update that code! .95 is the latest and more updates are sure to come.

I haven't actually measured it.

Guys, I can't believe this! I haven't made it to 1 billion yet. Tonight, I just skipped by that and went straight to 2Bil! All these pics came at the end of this single game. Crazy crazy crazy. This game is so good! The flow is better than I thought possible. I think I'll be chasing this score for a while. I was on the 10th song when it ended.

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Try re-seating the connectors on the ball trough.

You can troubleshoot this by going into the "ball clear function" and look for any weirdness going on with the ball trough optos.

I don't have a pic, but you should have a small screw with a nut on it going through that hole at the bottom of the stick.

35.5X ???

I had that happen recently too. Feels bad man...

If anyone had only played a pro on location I could see someone having a bad experience.

I played in a tourney today and LZ pro was in the tourney. A lot of players were frustrated because they couldn't hit the shots. It was impossible to backhand the right ramp. The left flipper was slightly misaligned making looping the center ramp difficult. The game was also too steep. With three attempts allowed, I had the #1 score at only 230M.

Then I come home and my game just flows like butter. I told a friend who is a pretty good player he just needs to get a couple dozen games on it and the shots will start to come. If you can't make the shots on LZ you're really going to suffer. I know that's true of just about any pinball machine but with LZ, I feel it takes a little longer to learn the shots.

Oooh, I had a 44M spinner rip today! How you ask? Super spinner running with a 10.2 Icarus X. One rip and I looked up and saw 44M. Hey Theguyoverthere , how hard would it be to add a high score table for best spinner rip? (or is it already in there?)

Tom, search this thread for "spinner". There's only about 400 posts about it.

So yesterday I had my first non-booting Stern. Turned it on and waited at least a minute. Nothing but a black screen. Turned it off, waited a few seconds then back on. Nothing but a black screen and I could hear a board in the backbox making a weird repeating sound. Turned it off again.

Third time I turned it on and it came up normally. Man, I was breathing a sigh of relief!

Anyone else had this or similar on LZ?

So I've got the ZOSO symbols ordered from Amazon showing up soon. The Zep is just so plain looking. I had a crazy idea from watching some hydro dipping video tutorials on youtube. I think with the right color scheme it could look awesome. Maybe dip it and then apply the decals afterwards? Anyone crazy enough to try this?

I know if I had a spare Zep I would try it, just in case I totally screwed it up. Here is a video for reference.

I call that "the rattler" and I do it about ten times a game. It just has to be a clean shot. You can try waxing the ramp. I did that to all my ramps and it does help.

Some random thoughts on gameplay after I just finished a really long session.

Pulling off the Kashmir strat can be really difficult. But you don't really have to hit ALL the shots in the correct order to land the orange shot on the center ramp during the verses. Just don't go past the center shot on one side before also doing it on the other side. And even if you don't get the shots to converge on the center, Kashmir is such a long song you can get some really good song shot values by the 2nd or 3rd ball, 4-5M per shot, before any Icarus X. Verses come up 3 times during the song. Two times on the front end and a 3rd time towards the end.

As much as I love The Song Remains the Same, it's just about the worst song to pick for scoring. True to the name, the shots remain on the left side. Just the left eject and left orbit are lit, and some parts of the song also add in the left ramp. This makes combos nearly impossible and extremely hard to get 5 gold records on this song. Platinum on this song seems out of reach.

Sticking with the short playing songs is a good strat to get EB and Mothership MB, but so far I have not been able to get any really good score from MMB. Some good songs for this are Rock and Roll, Immigrant Song, Good Times Bad Times, Black Dog, Communication Breakdown, Ramble On.

The right ramp is a very key shot. It is a song shot in pretty much every song. It is an important shot for building combos. It is the only shot that gets you towards the Tour Modes which lead to tour multiballs. I have only made it to World Tour twice so far which requires a lot of right ramps and then playing the tour modes well to get through all four of them.

Code Improvements: Could we please get the Icarus timer to pause while the EM has the ball trapped and is lowering? This eats up a ton of Icarus time and is super frustrating. Seems like there was another time I felt like it should be paused but can't remember the specifics.

Question: You are in the middle of a song and drain. Now the next ball is in the shooter lane. If you switch off of the song, then go back to the song you were in and plunge the ball, do the shot values(points) reset? Do the record sales shot value reset? If either of those reset without plunging the ball that needs to be fixed.

Obviously I'm still loving the game. Currently, 2.016B is my GC and it takes over 942M now to get on my scoreboard.

Edit: Correction to Kashmir. Verse comes up 4 times in the song. Twice near the beginning and twice near the end.

Of course collecting records is different with every song, but here are some ideas.

Combo the center ramp/right ramp/center ramp etc.

Listen for the change to the guitar solo. If the solo is getting close in the song, go ahead and trap up on the left flipper and wait. Then start spamming the center ramp the instant the solo begins. If you can get this going with two balls at the same time even better.

Figuring what to do with the ball coming out of the left eject is important. All games will be a little different. You can live catch. You can just let it bounce to the other flipper. But what I've been doing lately is like a delayed slap away shot to the right ramp or right orbit. I'm getting to where I can pull that off like 40-50% of the time.

Pay attention to the white "Cue Lights" during the songs. They let you know where the shots are going to move to as the song changes. There is a kind of "reverse grace period" with these. If the shot is white, shooting it just before it changes color will still count as a song shot.

Get the timing down for backhanding the spinner and the left ramp from a trap. Unlike backhanding the right ramp, both of these shots are relatively easy.

OK, since we are talking points and scores, let's talk about Icarus X. It is very easy to begin Icarus by mistake. The shot is right up the center, right next to the main shot(center ramp) and it just gets hit when you don't want it. Especially in MB. So what can happen is you get Icarus after Icarus in the 1.5-2.2X range. We want more than that!

Try this. Once Icarus is ready, You've got to avoid hitting it. Try a bunch of "one way combos" to build it up first. Some examples.
Center ramp to Rock targets.
Left orbit/Hold up upper right flipper to LED targets.
Backhand left ramp/Hold up left flipper and bump the ball over to the right flipper/Kickback targets.
Backhand left ramp or center ramp into Zep targets(watch out for that Icarus)
All of these one way combos will add .1x to that band member.

Try not to cash in on your Icarus until a guitar solo. Or if in MB, not until super JP are available.

One more important thing about how Icarus X works. We all know that it is the value of the four band members multiplied together. What is super important about this is that if even ONE band member is really low, that will severely stunt your Icarus value. Example:

Icarus values begin at 1.0 and build by .1 for every combo. So lets say you are able to do 20 combos before beginning your X. If the combos are evenly spread out you have the following:
1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 = 5.06X(not sure if the game awards 5.0 or 5.1 in this case)

But the same amount of combos spread out unevenly could give you this:
1.0 x 1.1 x 1.3 x 2.6 = 3.7

See? Same exact number of combos terminating into a target bank. One gives you 3.7X. One gives you 5X.

Now apply that to a real scenario. You're deep into Kashmir and you've got your shot values up to 4.5 Million. The verse begins, you start your Icarus, and you start looping the center ramp. In one example you're looping the ramp for 16.65M/shot and in the other example you are looping for 22.5/shot. Of course the shot value increases with every center ramp but you get the point.

TLDR; Spread your combos out to all the different target banks as long as possible. Then start Icarus X at an opportune time.

Hey, you found a way to add a light under that plastic! Nice.

This is a difficult game. Those who say it isn't have not had enough time on the game to realize you brick one or two shots, you drain. And my outlane posts are factory. I think I don't even want to see this game in a tourney with posts moved up, rubber removed, etc. I'm a tourney player and ranked just outside the top 200 in IFPA and even I think this is a tough game. But that's what makes it a good game. It keeps you coming back for more. I have started over after one or two balls more than I'd care to admit!

After the game kicked my ass for about 8-10 games straight today, I finally got on the board again. Score was 992M, but this right here was worth taking a picture of....

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Always be Kashin....LOL

I have recently been having this same issue.

I figured out the EM problem with releasing the ball too soon. My spinner was very slightly bent. It was bent for the very first time. Straightened it out and added a small drop of oil to each side and did some glass off testing and the EM is back to working correctly.

This seems like it was because the spinner wasn't spinning freely. So instead of the spinner settling on top of the ball, it was in front of the ball and kind of pushing it backwards. Just a theory...

If you don't lock a ball in either of the scoops, then that is the normal behavior. After the hurry-up runs out, the EM raises back up and releases the ball and MB begins..

If you do lock a ball, then the EM should raise back up and hold the ball during the second phase of the hurry-up. You can then choose to knock the ball off the magnet, OR lock a ball in the other scoop. If you successfully lock a ball in the second scoop, then the EM releases the ball and MB begins.

I recently upped my EM Led Zep difficulty to Hard. On medium it still came up way too often. On Hard it actually still comes up too often, but I can deal with it.

I'm still loving this game! About 410 games played in just under 3 weeks. I discovered something that is more about my play style than it is the game. I REALLY don't enjoy the Top of the Charts Challenge Mode. I mean, it's a great mode. I just suck at it. When I have to try to hit stuff in a hurry, I can't hit shit. The left scoop becomes impossible. The balls keep getting in the way. I can barely break 9 minutes. It's stressful and not fun for me.

Then I go back to regular gameplay and I realize how great this game is!

I checked my audits. Side ramp 330 hits/472 games, or 69%. If you haven't done so, you need to wax it. Wax the guide leading into it, and the turn around guide. It's much easier to do if you remove the wireform(just one screw and one 9mm nut). And make sure to wax the playfield between the upper flipper and the side ramp entrance. Also, set upper flipper power to max(255). And finally you might want to modify your wireform like I did in post #2246.

" Took a whole lotta tryin, a just to get up that hill"

And with that score, it takes over a billion to get your name up on my LZ.

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After a long time of working quietly, my left eject started making the clunking noise. I inspected it and could see where there has been metal to metal contact. I took it apart and put a rubber ring onto the shaft. The size was perfect as the ring was able to be pushed into the hollow base of the shaft. No more noise! The size was either 7/16th or 5/16th, not sure which. And sorry I didn't take any pics...

I have joined the Dark Side. After getting pretty frustrated with the spinner getting jacked up, I took it all apart, straightened the spinner and flipped it to the dark side. I hope it helps cause I'm just ready to disable the EM. And not just because of the spinner getting jacked. The mech just gets in the way and causes me more drains than I can count. Don't you just love the slow roller that come through the back of the spinner and goes SDTM?

Ray Day said in a recent stream that it's already been fixed, just hasn't been released yet. The number of sets of LED ZEP targets is supposed to increase by one set each time. Currently it doesn't actually do this. If you have it set for hard (2 sets of LED ZEP targets), it remains at 2 sets for the entire game.

Ooh, I didn't know about ROLL increasing the spinners AND building throughout the game. That gives me something else to shoot for. One of my favorite things about GOT was building those HUGE spinner rips. Then they nerfed it in the code...

I don't think that's a bug. I've never seen it. There are two optos in the EM mech.

I noticed this and I thought something was wrong. Then I remembered that you have to shoot a safe shot before it raises.

I'm digging the new code. Got my name up on the Spinner table. Not that special but give you guys something to shoot for. This was just regular spinner, not the Em spinner. Thanks Theguyoverthere for implementing this!

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Anyone else not seeing photos in the thread?

Seems there is just a lot of variance in parts/QC. Many of the LE owners reported lock down bar latches coming unscrewed for the cab. I have a first run premium and had no issues with that. Same with the shooter lane gate. I have over 500 games on mine and the gate has never come lose.

Scores don't wipe now with Spike 2 updates. Neither do your settings.

Boob, chill man. Everything is fine. The new code is working properly. When EM is ready to go, it will not raise until the ball is in a safe place like a ramp or eject. I have seen where the EM stays up when restarting a game. If you just let the ball sit in the shooter lane for like 10-15 seconds the EM will go down.

I've seen the EM go back down for two reasons. One is for inactivity on the spinner. The other is for starting any other MB. I have not seen it go down for just shooting the lock ramp once.

OK, help me out. All I see on Sterns website is a Contact Us form, but no way to attach photos. I want to file a claim for a new EM plastic top. Mine has gotten pretty dinged up. Do you have an email address to contact them? Thanks!

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See my post #2246

I had some extra t-molding from when I did my Hoops. Compared the colors and it's almost an exact match. Super easy to do. The whole thing took like 30 minutes. Looks very factory in person.

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Did you try re-seating the connectors on the board? They tend to work loose and may have already been loose from shipping.

I'm down to 16 on the slings. I kept getting airballs to the outlane or shooter lane. At 16 I haven't had any. I also lowered the "upper eject power when gate is closed". When I had super pops the ball would go from eject, to gate, back to eject. Sometimes it would do it 2 or 3 times in a row.

Anyone who has actually got to EM Frenzy, can you tell me how to start it? I've read the read me file but I still have never seen it. Thanks!

Something special happened tonight. Playing Whole Lotta Love I had a good run going, then started an 18+ Icarus X. Shots started at 40M and the last one just before Icky ran out was a right ramp for 56M! Damn this game is fun!

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Yes, I had a 279M EM Frenzy SJP and it still has the 2M default score for EM frenzy.

Speaker lights arrived today but not installed yet.

I've gotta say, this EM Frenzy mode has about the best spinner sounds I've ever heard. Have you heard it yet? Sounds a lot like Robotron. You guys with sub woofers must be loving it!

So, you've gotta play the EM Magic MB. When that's completely over, then knock down enough LED ZEP targets(2 sets on default I believe) to bring up the EM again. You'll know it's different because the Frenzy insert will be lit. The sounds in the build up phase are fantastic but when you get to the SJP spinner it's pretty special.

I hear you cause my internet is pretty bad and it took about 1hr 40m to download the code!

Just ran a speed test on mine. Download 5.53 mbps. Upload 410K !

I have DJ Mixer on my Premium. Are we sure the pro doesn't have it on the latest code? I thought all models had it.

You can "Taste the Rainbow" or you can Embrace the Orange...

Hell of a time getting my speaker light kit installed thanks to some factory worker completely stripping out one of the small screws that attach the LCD to the speaker plate. They got it good and tight, then stripped out the head. Must have been a Friday afternoon. Anyway, all is good and I'm liking the new look.

Random thought: The base line on Ramble On has got to be one of the best ever! Ear worm city for me.

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The clunky kick out is more or less normal, but it's not right. I played 2 different pros that both made the noise. When I got my premium it never did it. One day I moved my machine and it started doing it. I opened it up and inspected the mech and I could see signs of metal on metal contact. I took the mech apart and added a 7/16th white rubber ring right at the base of the plunger. The base is hollow and the ring fit right inside it. Noise gone! Recently I moved my machine again and guess what? Noise came back. Then after maybe a dozen games the noise was gone again.

Here is a drawing. It is from LOTR but similar enough. Add the ring and push it into the hollow base. It may not be a 100% fix, but it will help for sure.

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About the shooter lane gate. I've been lucky that I haven't had any issues. But one thing I noticed. I had the glass off and was ejecting the ball through the service menu. Every time I ejected a ball I heard a "ting" like a bell ringing. What I discovered was when a ball shoots past the gate it knocks the gate up into the bottom of the wireform above! Every single time! Not a good design, but it works.

It's awesome! For me it totally changed my mind on the EM spinner. It went from something to avoid, to Man this is great!

Here's a scoring tip. During EM Frenzy, a ball in one eject doubles scoring, a ball in both ejects triples scoring. Add that with an Icarus X and boom, I managed to get an EM Frenzy Super worth 279M! Gonna be hard for me to beat that. Unfortunately, that's not stored in the HS table.

*Oh, I just remembered a bug. I will report to Stern. @theguyoverthere. After playing EM Frenzy and back down to one ball. For the rest of that ball I kept getting callouts and animations to shoot for the EM Frenzy Super Jackpot although the mode was over.* On .98 code.

Could be a bug. Could be something more. That's a really good score regardless of how many free balls it gave out. Was this just a kid or a skilled player?(I know some kids are skilled players) lol.

Stuck switch maybe? Ball trough issue maybe? EB light out?

Extra Ball light between the flippers.

New spinner champ!

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Wait till you get to EM Frenzy SJP. With your sound set up it's gonna be mind bending...