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I’ve never seen so many grown ass men debate over a spinner. Use a damn flat head screwdriver and push the brackets out. DONE. Can we talk about something else?

We will call it 'Spinner Gate'

It is one sweet spinner and dialing it in is crucial. I do think adding a little lube helps it really rip. Got my cradle and aim dialed in on both sides now for full spinner rippage-such a great feeling!(the sounds really add to the experience)

It's not so much people are bending it once and it's fixed, it's that some had to do this 3 times-that's what really got my attention.

There lies the problem, improper bending, bending the bracket and not the wire was suggested and a little oil.

When mine shows up today I’ll start with a drop of oil, if there is an issue I’ll move onto the bracket, if still an issue I will reverse it and then last resort is bending the wire.

This is just based off Steve R recommendation and what I gathered from everyone here.

Hi. Im getting my LE next week. Whats puzzling is this is not a new technology. Opto spinners on many other games with no issues like this. Something must be different to cause such drastic problems. Stern needs to do more that that service bulletin and have a replacement part. How did this never happen in all of the development work, or atleast why wasnt it addressed before launch . Very frustrating.

Should someone create a poll/tally of owners with spinner issues and those not to track the frequency of this issue?

Yes I recommend not doing much of anything if your spacing looks correct on spinner. Add a few drops of Tri-Flow or other high quality lube and let her rip. Some people have issues and some do not. If it is not broken-do not fix it.

Unfortunately Stern has not been the best at testing mechs. They kind of wind up allowing the early adopters (buyers) do the testing. There's a list for every pin:

- AIQ Subway
- TMNT Glider & Diverter
- GB Slimer
- Orbit on GOT
- Captive ball / Sarcophagus lock on Maiden
- Demon Head on Kiss

You get the picture.

The good news is they fix most of them, even if there are design flaws. Sucks that the LZ spinner is really the ONLY mech on that game and it's a friggin spinner. Nothing super fancy.

I sold my KISS LE due to getting tired of always messing with the Demon Head. Yep can’t count on Stern to make reliable mechs.

My Demon Head was the worst. Many calls / emails to Stern at tech support. It could never hold 3 balls. Optos / mech were trash. But at least it was an effort to make something cool. The game still played.

Anxiously awaiting delivery truck!

In the meantime got my scoreboard art set to post some scores!

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Is there call outs when you touch the flipped button during attract mode? I have checked menu but do not see anything. My does nothing.

NO. It must NOT be programmed yet.

Sadly you missed at least a few. GB right ramp, Star Wars fork ramp and hyperloop, Stranger Things lock mech and demogorgon adjustment all come to mind. The Premium/LE features are often the problem area for Sterns, which otherwise are very reliable in my experience. I wish they would put more time in on testing and bullet-proofing these mechs/design features.

I can’t get enough of this game. The challenge mode is such a great way to switch up the feel of the game too. At first, I wasn’t too big of a fan of how the shot progression changed in a song, with it being broken down into sections, but I’ve gotten used to it now, and it seems more natural. I love the song rolling into the next one too... it’s pretty dang satisfying hearing a new one start mid-ball. I’m hoping they install a mode in this like there is in TMNT, where you can do a 1v2, 2v2, or a 1v3... that’s a great feature if you end up playing against folks that aren’t quite as good as you are. Alright, enough typing, time for more playing!

My spinner is working fine. I slightly bent brackets outward as Steve Richie suggested on day one before I had a problem. Issue I have is ball stuck frequently behind upper right ramp. It gets stuck so bad I almost have to get my tractor out to remove playfield glass to fix. A simple bump of pin machine will not move ball. Have to really rock it off.(No pun intended). Other issue I have is weak shooter rod launch. Same issue there as my Jurassic Park pin. Been using the lockdown bar button to launch balls instead.

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I initially removed the roof to the spinner to get a good look but now having trouble getting it flush again. Is leveling Electric Magnet with the playfield as simple as tightening or loosening the eight screws or am I missing something?

I can't see where the ball is.. How is your left to right level? I had an issue with ball getting hung up behind zep targets next to the lower pop. The level was slightly off (I am talking only one rotation of the leg bolt) but once I had the machine completely level, no more hang ups.

I think it would be important to understand what you did to that ball such that it is not only hiding from you but has become incredibly camera shy.

Seriously, I think I see it - just to the left of the orange lit insert. As Chetrico mentioned.....guessing may not be level side-to-side. I have my Zep LE at 6.5 degrees, totally level side-to-side and I have had no ball hang ups (I take that back....maybe 1-2 times on the EM Spinner, but a simple nudge fixed it). Of course, could be manufacturing "tolerances", but check leveling first. I use the PinGuy app and has worked quite well.

I like other things tight. Use your imagination there

Buy one of these suction cups to remove glass. I use it on multiple games. It makes real easy work of it. Tight is good when you have a shaker.

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I had a chance to play quite a few games and just need to share some of my findings. Game is amazing shooter and the code as it is, Is excellent.
Each song is different in its characteristics and shots that need to be made. Songs change shots based on what part of the song you are in (verse, chorus, solo, bridge, etc). This is done very well! I especially like Guitar solo. The Solo on some songs lights the Center ramp. Which is an easy shot. I try to hit Icarus just before the solo to get my multiplier active. Then just watch the millions rack up repeatedly hitting the center ramp!

I am especially Liking Kashmir. Here is why.
Kashmir Verse shots start at Left eject and right orbit.. Every time you make a shot on the left (during verse) It will move the next shot one over to the right. When you make the right orbit shot, it will move the next shot one over to the left. The goal is to alternate shots, from the left to the right until the shot converges in the middle ( Center ramp). Then your center ramp shot will be the lit shot for the remainder of the chorus. I was able to take Kashmir to 17 Gold records doing this getting 5M plus center ramp shots.

My goal right now is to get to Top of Charts multiball (Wizard Mode)
I made it!
The coding inside of Top of the Charts is incredible.
To get to Top of the Charts you need to have at least 5 Gold records in all 10 songs.
Once the mode starts, your goal is to get the songs to platinum status buy getting all the songs to Platinum status.
The mode is coded very good right now. If you had 7 gold in a particular song, you now have to get 3 more gold in that song to reach platinum and then move to the next song. They also included add a ball as each song goes platinum. It also incorporates ball locks in this wizard mode. Which is great because you only lose Top of the charts, if you drain all balls or do not reach platinum by the time the song ends. So buy locking a ball, you have one in reserve in case the one your playing drains.
This game is amazingly challenging and fun. Its easy to understand!
I was 5 gold records away from ?multiball.

Here are some of the notable accomplishments
1.5 Billion Score
Icarus 12.9 multiplier
20M song jackpots
Electric Magic 7M spinner value
Note ( spinner value will keep increasing WITHOUT resetting if you keep it spinning. I.E. Spinner does not stop)

I went pretty far inside of Top of the charts. I was only 5 Gold away from ?multiball

I posted the gameplay here

Damn man, I just got done doing the happy dance over a 250 million score... I guess that I have ways to go.

I guess its good you didnt make it to ? multi ball because its not coded in yet. that would have been a bummer!

But that only equals a 35HP tractor? I think you'll need more.

I'm hoping that the premium without the invisiglass won't have this issue.

I've been busy all week but got some time to mess with the game some more last night and this morning. I put a double layer of mylar in the shooter lane, protectors under the front edge of the apron, subwoofer hookup, real LOUD knocker, and speaker light kit with new orange speaker surround plastic.

As mentioned in a previous post, Stern switched from plastic to powder coated steel for the speaker surround colored rings. Normally something like that would be an upgrade, but the metal doesn't allow the speaker lights to shine through. They still look decent, but having the translucent plastic takes it to another level. They didn't have a great shade of blue, so I went with the orange surround to match the game and it looks fantastic!

I was able to get some meaningful plays in too and really enjoying the integration of the rules with the fast and flowing playfield layout. It reminds me in some ways of Ironman which is one game that I really miss. IM had the bogie mode that was built from combos, LZ takes that to the next level. I love the flow of Steve Ritchie games and having the "Combo" inserts lighting when you hit a shot is going to make this game a constant challenge to see how many combos I can get.

Thanks, I was just as surprised at how effective reversing it was because it doesn't seem logical that it would matter, but it's been ripping away ever since I reversed it. Still need to deal with the upside down decals though.

#451 has entered the building!

Photos to come

Still waiting on my LE. Can’t wait to get it but this spinner issue is kind of bumming me out. Hopefully I get lucky and my works great or it’s just one and done.

Tmnt Le i spent 5 hours fixing that diverter. I had my brother over to play it and we didn’t even get to that night. Aiq le was a leveling issue but I only had to adjust it a few times then it worked great.

I don’t mind adjusting things but seems like the issue keeps happening to a lot of folks

Don't sweat the spinner too much. I know 4 people (myself included) and we all had bad spinners out of the box. A small sample size from 500, but still. However, the good news is that the fix appears to be a one and done. I've been playing it nearly non stop since the fix and it's still going strong. Time will tell exactly how long it lasts, but once you get it ripping, I don't think you'll be tinkering with it too often.

Confirmed, flipped the spinner upside down, 20 games in and she's twirling like a boss

Here is how to remove glass on Led Zeppelin LE:

Wipe your hands off on your pants so your palms are completely dry and then place both palms at top of glass and put pressure to drag the glass down.

Now shout "Son of a Bit#@" while you attempt to drag down

Then to put back use fingers at edge and push up and shout " Son of a Bit@$"

Good to go

Didn’t set my game up yet but has anyone not had to do anything with the spinner?

Is it worth playing a game to see how it works first?

Lean down and inspect it before playing any balls. Does the spacing look good, flip it with fingers and make sure it is good. If you see that it is too tight I would adjust it first before you get a ball locked up in there and then a ball deflection causes deformation. Add some lube(that's what she said)

*Note-if the spacing looks good-leave it alone

Not sure if they will add it. Aerosmith never got one.

Yes. Same here. Since I turned the spinner around last night. All is good. After the lube it spins fast as hell. Even when the device lowers you can still hear it spinning. Lol.

Don’t think it’s a selectable feature in the menu on AS though, at least I don’t recall seeing it on mine.

I try never to touch the glass as I want to avoid having to clean it. Hate smudges!!! Lol. I always put gloves on too when I touch touch the glass. This is why I use the suction cup. I’m probably insane.

To me glass is glass. I use Sprayway glass cleaner and it works just fine. I have been cleaning my expensive JJP invisiglass with regular glass cleaner and paper towels for years and have not noticed any problems. I will not be cleaning my Stern invisiglass with a diaper or whatever they recommend. Number one I do not give a shit and number two I do not want to have to use diapers or microfiber cloths.

Now use your greasy hands after eating some za and get that glass off already-then spray and clean (;

What are you guys using to lube the spinner? I usually use a tiny bit of Superlube synthetic, but that's not really an "oil."

Also, anybody install the Pinwoofer GT Super kit? Wondering how improved the sound is...I'm about to get one. After all, it IS a music pin.