Your insert LEDs are strobing? That can happen with the GI (fixable) but never seen it with inserts.

Apparently it doesn't bother some people, but you're definitely not the only one. Check out the LED OCD controller thread for discussions about it and a potential solution: http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/led-ocd-advanced-lamp-controller-shipping-with-wait-list

What bulbs are you using for the GI?

Double stacked cointaker disco biscuits will do that to you man.

Are you wearing a visor when playing?

How is GI fixable? Every time I ask someone about it they say it would be too complex to implement a smoothing solution.

That's why I stay away from LEDS. Just recently I've started using Terry's cheapos just for the simple fact that I got sick of firing up pinrow..and always have a bulb or 2 out.

My first pin with LEDs was a WPT I bought that was already done. I felts snow blind after every game

Terry's aren't nearly as bright as the CT supers. Unfortunately they still have the LED 'look' to them but aren't blinding

There is a product out there that may help... although its expensive on a per bulb basis

http://www.pinballcenter.eu/english/product-informations/noflix-advantages/

I would say try non ghosting bulbs, but Looks like you already have them...

I think he's referring to effect that GI LEDs have on the ball. It makes the ball look like it's passing by a strobe light. You in effect see a line of balls, similar to when you have mouse trails enabled on a computer.

Hope that makes sense.

I experience it on the pins I have LEDs installed in the GI.

You kind of get used to it after a while.

To do it the way I'd like, it's not too complex, but it results in a lot of big parts due to the amount of current involved. I have a first prototype that I'm messing around with. I'm not sure if it will be practical, though.

I got that a lot too so I went with colored incandescent's for my GI & LED's for inserts.

You have my attention and support.

I had to return my Cointaker NGG kit. Just too damn bright. Really bothered me (CT couldn't have been nicer about it too).

Trying some Pinball Life samples right now. Cool frosted look good but give a blue tint. Try some of there sample packs.

CT Premium Supers in the inserts? No wonder you can't see the ball, it's probably bright as hell..

I like the pinball life basic bulbs for the inserts, way less intense. CT's only go in very special inserts.

They definitely do strobe under inserts. I see it worse than GI, and it's worse in Williams/Bally games than Stern.

I haven't personally found an LED that completely gets rid of it, but I'm probably not the best person to ask. I have never tried the NoFlix Plus bulbs, and from what I hear, they may be your best bet. The LED OCD thread linked above is my solution, so my opinion is a bit biased.

I wouldn't use them and sell them if they didn't work, but again, my opinion is biased.

Yes, they're out of stock, and until I have a few more preorders, I have no immediate plans to make more.

If you are using rectified (nonpolarized) LEDs for GI, that explains why. Rectified LEDs flicker twice as fast, making the strobe effect less noticeable.

Agreed, but there sure are a lot of complaints about flickering GI, including your own. The majority of LEDs being used these days are rectified, yet that's apparently not enough to avoid the problem for some people.

Well I've gotten used to it, it's not that bad in the grand scheme of things. Incandescents under the inserts help wash out the effect as well. I would get your board and LED everything all day long, but the cost of doing that (about $200) cannot be justified for improving a non-functional aspect of a route game. Bulbs burn out, maybe 2 or 3 a month. Those are $0.10 each...

Huh?

The LED acts the same whether it is under an insert or used in the GI. The strobe effect is the same. In fact, the strobe effect can be more pronounced with LEDs under inserts because those are usually the ones that you are looking at when following the ball.

We are not talking about the dimming effect here, which is something different.

I'm sensitive to it, which is why I usually use the NoFlix plus LEDs in my pins.

With the LED OCD board the lights aren't instant on/off so the strobing effect seemed to disappear. I'm also sensitive to it, but had no issues playing on Herg's machines so would recommend giving it a try if he makes more. Note ghosting is when an LED remains on when it should be off so really is a different issue the NoFlix bulbs are addressing.

Rob. GI is AC and controlled lamps are DC. Without rectifiing the LEDs will strobe at 60hz on AC.

I like some LEDs but you can go way overboard with it quickly. I really dislike LEDs in the GI as well.

I bet you also don't put mirror blades or Invisiglass in your routed pins. Completely different goals.

The LED acts the same, but the power driving it is completely different. 60 Hz AC for GI, DC lamp matrix switched at 62.5 Hz (in W/B pins) for inserts.

Which is why non-polarized LEDs do not reduce strobing when used in the lamp matrix.

Not really. If you're talking about CT LEDs, I'd say Frosted are the next step down. In my opinion, they are close to the right brightness for most inserts, but they don't help with flicker.

There's no way that I'm aware of to make incandescents look less yellow/more blue.

I think the CT retro bulbs look good under inserts. However, I have never seen a white or clear insert that looks good with an led under it.

I see you have a TZ . If you do an LED conversion on TZ insert ghosting is pretty bad on TZ. Yes the non ghosting CT are brighter than there normal super bright. As far as Pinball life basic LED they are good in clear plastic inserts. But overall not much difference in intensity over incandescent bulb. Hopefully you will get use to the LEDs in your NGG. I think you will!!

I do. Strobing is completely diff'rent in my experience from ghosting or flickering. I feel like it's a low percentage of people that suffer from it, like the rainbow DLP effect.

EDIT: Shocker I'm not a Doctor Just from what I've heard people saying for a few years.

Things like this are diff'rent for everyone. My TZ has been LED'd for years and I've never seen any ghosting.

Now I know why I like them. "WELCOME TO THE RAVE!" Doot, Doot, Doot, Doot da doot,....

I was an Eagle scout " Always be prepared ". I do find that interesting Thelaw. I think you got lucky.

Could be...I have no idea. I've got a few diff'rent bulbs of different types and never noticed it in my TZ, under inserts that is, above of course it can be a problem.

Also could be our eyesite...mine might be worse and i don't notice it

On 9.4H, TZ should be mostly ghost-free due to the updated code. L-2 could definitely have ghosting issues, though.

I'm not running anything in the 9. area.

LEDs suck

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=2&pg=1

1. I didn't think NGG ghosts so premiums aren't totally needed
2. Go to the settings and turn off "allow dim illumination"
3. Add spot lights shining down on playfield. NGG is a bit of a dark game so spots will help adust contrast ratio and reduce the strobing for your eyes
4. Don't use cool whites in those white inserts. They are such large inserts it is simply too bright. TRy a color or maybe warm white. Also, user frosted not supers in those

Ihave tried them, and yes they do strobe! Maybee you are as me, i am verry sensitive with mine eyes... The reason mine FGY has not leds, How shamefull though in mine oppinion.. Coulars are much nicer with leds, but i cant find leds that doesent strobe for me.. So i keep up with bulbs.

Nice man. Yeah without doing GI and spots the PF can be excessively bright.

P.s- TZ, if done proper, is badass with LEDS. I'll get a pic of markmon's with some extra strips added. So bright without being blinding.

Ah, that's what I was talking about, I guess I'm utterly insensitive to the other effect, because I don't see it at all with the LEDs in my inserts.

Partly because it can be game by game. NGG has larger white inserts in spots and with a bright white bulb under there it is just blinding at times. Other games with smaller or thicker colored inserts it doesnt matter as much since the LED doesn't shine through as much

Looking @ led OCD... but man that looks like it fixes all mine problems!
Especialy i can tune the brightnes of each individual led! The Camper leds where to bright, but with this OCD, i can adjust them, how sweet is that!

Man i got the have this thing !

Maybe my inserts are just filthy then and blocking some light- because I really love the look of the LEDs in my NGG...

I dunno, I've got white inserts on my Shadow and I don't see a thing. Maybe I'm just lucky. I see DLP rainbows though.