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Le Tour de France 2018


By Mr_Tantrum

11 months ago



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#1 11 months ago

My favorite 3 weeks of the year starts in less than 18 hours! Thought I'd start a topic for Tour de France talk over the duration of the grand tour.

If you haven't looked, here is this year's route: https://www.letour.fr/en/overall-route

NBC Sports Network will cover every minute of it, so check with your provider or buy the app.

As always, plenty of excitement to come. Looks like Froome is in after all, can't wait for the drama as I'm sure he'll have something to prove while others will have extra motivation to beat him.

Also, my favorite pro cyclist Peter Sagan is ready to go - most talented and entertaining rider on tour, maybe ever.
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#2 11 months ago

I love watching it. It's a great event for the endurance and the scenery. I always laugh because one year my girlfriend and I spent time bicycling in France - what we covered in a few weeks was done is a single day stage of the TdF. To be fair we consumed a lot more vino and pastries!

#3 11 months ago

Alpe D’Huez is in this year. Very cool. Been There for the race. Awesome spectacle in person.

#4 11 months ago

Le Tour de France, it is nice to watch...for the landscapes.

#5 11 months ago

My wife absolutely loves cycling, and I've come to appreciate it as well. She'll be in her glory for the next 3 weeks as The Tour rolls on, and I'm sure hoping Peter Sagan sticks around for the whole race this time, he is truly the rock star of cycling!!

#6 11 months ago

Yeah, I really like TdF as well. Wouldn't be a good theme for a pinball though
I don't really like the stages of the first week. The Giro was far better imo, for it had far less flat stages. Like yesterday: until the end, it was quite boring from what I've heard (I didn't watch until the last 50 km).
Today probably not much to do either. Tomorrow afternoon I'm in meetings, but I hope to see some updates during meeting-breaks

#7 11 months ago

Great post.

They run the Tour Down Under down here in South Australia in the middle of January (peak summer) every year and one of the stages goes right past my front gate.

Hats off to those guys who fly down here in the middle of a Northern Hemisphere winter to cycle at top speed on baking hot bitumen in 40C (104F) heat.

#8 11 months ago

The opening stage yesterday was surprisingly eventful towards the end. Some of the GC contenders (Froome, Porte, etc.) crashed towards the end and lost nearly a minute. Also, I was disappointed to see that Sagan couldn't pull the sprint out at the finish.

I love cycling for the landscapes, the strategy, etc. However, my suggestion would be that if you are really not in it but feel like you should learn a little, record each day and then fast forward to the final 10KM or about 5 miles. On non-mountain stages, this is where the bulk of the action occurs: e.g. the peloton pulls back the attackers, the teams form lines to lead their top rider to the finish, sprint at the end with bumping, drafting, and a stretch finish. If you are overall bored by cycling or just not into it this much, taking 15 minutes to watch the end of the race each day will be well worth the investment.

#9 11 months ago

I used to be an avid fan, but the way they have handled the doping ruins it for me. The doping is still happening (e.g. see Froome and Contador) but they selectively punish the riders. The sport has always had some form of doping even in the beginning when the riders were abusing ether, alcohol, caffeine, and even strychnine. I now look at cycling as a competition between the individual and the terrain rather than between other individuals. I have similar views when I ride myself including the possibility of having an accident or a bike problem.

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#11 11 months ago

What you say about a struggle against the course is absolutely true, definitely for my personal riding. There is a lot wrong within the politics of cycling (the governing bodies, the teams’ honesty and openness, and the riders themselves), and you are correct in that it greatly takes away from the sport. However, I find myself going back and forth. I think they should probably loosen the restrictions a little, but then again there will still be cheaters looking for an advantage. I know that just taking PEDs does not make you an elite athlete without the work, skill, and natural ability. Like in the Lance years, I tell myself that the competition is equal as I know that most all of the elite riders are doing something outside of the rules.

Even still, I can’t help but appreciate what these guys do on the bike in a 3 week time span. The endurance, putting serious injury on the line everyday, the strategy, the finish, the attacks, etc. I just can’t get enough of it.

#12 11 months ago

Loved the finish today, and Peter showed his power, skill, and intelligence on the bike. Starting last year, I've also noticed that Greipel & Kittel have seemed to lose some of their kick. I don't know if they are just getting old, if they were previously doping and have stopped (I have no evidence of this), or just not conditioned as well as they once where. For whatever reason, they both just don't seem to be as world-class as they once were, at least in the TDF sprint finishes.

#13 11 months ago
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

What you say about a struggle against the course is absolutely true, definitely for my personal riding. There is a lot wrong within the politics of cycling (the governing bodies, the teams’ honesty and openness, and the riders themselves), and you are correct in that it greatly takes away from the sport. However, I find myself going back and forth. I think they should probably loosen the restrictions a little, but then again there will still be cheaters looking for an advantage. I know that just taking PEDs does not make you an elite athlete without the work, skill, and natural ability. Like in the Lance years, I tell myself that the competition is equal as I know that most all of the elite riders are doing something outside of the rules.
Even still, I can’t help but appreciate what these guys do on the bike in a 3 week time span. The endurance, putting serious injury on the line everyday, the strategy, the finish, the attacks, etc. I just can’t get enough of it.

It s a pure nonsense.
« Most all of the elite riders are doing something outside of the rules »..and those who are not? Where is the equity? Do they need doping too? What message you send to all the amateur categories that aspire to become professional? You wanna succeed to be a pro? then let’s doping!
money is killing cyclism and other sports.
Even the shame to be a cheater to the world eyes does not prevent riders from doping. Because it is worth it. Does Lance live in the streets? Nanh..

#14 11 months ago

I love cycling, being less than an hour away by boat from Brittany and Normandy helps going to watch Le Tour.

Most looking forward to the cobbles of Roubaix and the short, punchy 65km stage 17 this year.

For some strange reason I decided to compete in the L'Étape du Tour last year where mere mortals are allowed to complete a stage of the Tour de France on closed roads. It took me nearly 11 hours and was one of the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Including cycling to and from the start I came to a grand total of 202 kilometers and 3664 meters of vertical elevation gain (125.5 miles & 12,021 feet) Definitely worth it though!

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#15 11 months ago

For cycling personalities I like Cavendish as much for his direct, open, honest speech to the media compared to the normal sanitised say nothing approach that is trained into sports stars as for his sprinting capabilities.

Anyone got a Criterium 2000 pin? https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=5946

#16 11 months ago

The team time trials are really boring and don’t fit in with the regular stages imho.

#17 11 months ago

I'm riding in Tour De Donut in Staunton, Il on Saturday. Expecting over 1000 riders in a mass start. Closest I'll ever get to the real thing.

Seriously though, I do love watching them ride through the mountains with climbing speeds equal or greater than my cruising speed. Makes me humble.

#18 11 months ago

Yeah, the TTT was pretty boring. Totally agree with DCFAN, (plenty of doping in amateur ranks too) though I'll probably still watch because I love the scenery and have great memories from France. And because watching the news is just too depressing.
Ride more, watch less.

#19 11 months ago
Quoted from SYS6:

For cycling personalities I like Cavendish as much for his direct, open, honest speech to the media compared to the normal sanitised say nothing approach that is trained into sports stars as for his sprinting capabilities.
Anyone got a Criterium 2000 pin? https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=5946

Funny, I can’t stand the guy due to “nothing is ever my failt” attitude. So many different personalities definitely makes the pro tour more interesting.

#20 11 months ago
Quoted from tandem2:

Yeah, the TTT was pretty boring. Totally agree with DCFAN, (plenty of doping in amateur ranks too) though I'll probably still watch because I love the scenery and have great memories from France. And because watching the news is just too depressing.
Ride more, watch less.

TTT is awesome and glad they brought it back. USA BMC had a greate race, and very positive for Porte.

#21 11 months ago

Hopefully BMC find a new sponsor for next year, would be a shame to lose another team.

I'm a Porte fan but there's no chance of him mounting a proper GC attack with BMC and I can't see it happening with Trek next year either, same as what happened to Contador.

You would need a team of GC contenders to get one over on Sky and Froome which no one has the budget for.

Mur de Bretange tomorrow which always makes for a great stage finish. I cycled up it after sharing six bottles of Rose between three of us the night before, not a pretty site!

#22 11 months ago

Darn, I missed yesterday's stage, now I've got 2 queued up on the DVR. TDF is not the easiest thing to binge watch given the length of the races.

#23 11 months ago

I had my calendar remind me the race had started....

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#24 11 months ago

Man, Peter is killing it so far, and I think that the green jersey is a lock again for him. Wish he could have pulled the stage out a couple of days ago, but nevertheless, he's still awesome.

Also, where did that Columbian (Fernando Rendon) sprinter come from? Seems like out of nowhere, but I haven't been following too many races this year until now.

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#26 11 months ago

Oh yes, the French "mankini" is one of a kind.

#27 11 months ago
Quoted from colonel_caverne:

It s a pure nonsense.
« Most all of the elite riders are doing something outside of the rules »..and those who are not? Where is the equity? Do they need doping too? What message you send to all the amateur categories that aspire to become professional? You wanna succeed to be a pro? then let’s doping!
money is killing cyclism and other sports.
Even the shame to be a cheater to the world eyes does not prevent riders from doping. Because it is worth it. Does Lance live in the streets? Nanh..

Not pure nonsense. My point is that there is no way that Lance was the only one taking PEDs. To just focus on him is short-sided and shows partiality, even if the light was mostly on him for winning. Were those races tainted, absolutely they were. To vacate 7 years with no tour winner as if it never happened - stupid. Stick an asterisk on the races if you want, but you can't tell me that Lance/USPS was competing against an otherwise 100% clean field. There are plenty of other tours where winners were later caught cheating, but their prior wins were not vacated. Heck, there are still riders today who seem to be fan and media favorites that were proven to be past dopers (e.g. Alberto Contador).

My point about loosing restrictions is the ridiculousness of some of the offenses, not significant PEDs. If a rider takes an extra snort of nasal allergy medicine to clear his sinuses or stave off a cold then he can be DQ'd. That's to the point of ridiculous in my mind. Personally, I'd rather my competitors have open nasal passages rather than me having to dodge them hurling snot rockets all ride long.

#28 11 months ago

It is an argument I hear a lot mainly from our American cousins across the pond: “everyone was doing it so why single out Lance?”
It is fair to say that most of the peloton was on something during those years but when you factor the doctors into it it becomes more of a medical arms race than anything else. The team that can afford the most expensive doctor would have the best results which is what happened with Dr. Ferrari and US Postal.
The main reason they (the French - read into that what you will) stripped Lance imho is that he is undoubtedly a complete narcissist who lied constantly and ruined the lives of many people, some of whome were his friends, to keep the mystique of being this miracle rider who had come back from cancer to win 7 TDF completely clean. This is why (in Europe at least) Pantaini is still reveared as one of the best cyclists of his generation even though he was caught up in the whole EPO generation and in the end he paid the ultimate price.

If you guys haven’t seen the documentary Icarus on nextflix I can highly recommend it.

Agreed re TUEs, it’s a mine field but apparently there are “adverse analytical findings” all the time it’s just the Chris Froome’s was leaked to the press - definitely the French and probably Hinault himself!

#29 11 months ago
Quoted from jsyjay:

The main reason they (the French - read into that what you will) stripped Lance imho is that he is undoubtedly a complete narcissist who lied constantly and ruined the lives of many people, some of whome were his friends, to keep the mystique of being this miracle rider who had come back from cancer to win 7 TDF completely clean.

With the above, you have no argument from me. I have seen the documentary, and it is definitely worth the watch for those who have not.

And you are also correct in that our attitudes towards PEDs is somewhat different given the challenges that our major sports leagues have gone through in recent times.

I guess for me, it comes down to the entire sport was dirty, so why vacate the wins (he was never proven to be dirty during/shortly after the events)? We watched those races with our own eyes, and they did happen. Not sure which is more impactful as history moves on: 1) there were no winners for those years or 2) Lance Armstrong, who was eventually proven to be cheating and admitted to being on PEDs, was the winner of those dirty tours.

Now that I actually type it, the latter option does not reflect very positively on the tour officials/organizers as future generations take a look back - always political.

#30 11 months ago

So, history aside, yesterday's race was again a great stage with a surprising end (at least for me). Man, I wish I had a fraction of the power and endurance that Dan Martin exhibited over the entire final incline to the finish.

#31 11 months ago
Quoted from jsyjay:

It is an argument I hear a lot mainly from our American cousins across the pond: “everyone was doing it so why single out Lance?”
It is fair to say that most of the peloton was on something during those years but when you factor the doctors into it it becomes more of a medical arms race than anything else. The team that can afford the most expensive doctor would have the best results which is what happened with Dr. Ferrari and US Postal.
The main reason they (the French - read into that what you will) stripped Lance imho is that he is undoubtedly a complete narcissist who lied constantly and ruined the lives of many people, some of whome were his friends, to keep the mystique of being this miracle rider who had come back from cancer to win 7 TDF completely clean. This is why (in Europe at least) Pantaini is still reveared as one of the best cyclists of his generation even though he was caught up in the whole EPO generation and in the end he paid the ultimate price.
If you guys haven’t seen the documentary Icarus on nextflix I can highly recommend it.
Agreed re TUEs, it’s a mine field but apparently there are “adverse analytical findings” all the time it’s just the Chris Froome’s was leaked to the press - definitely the French and probably Hinault himself!

There is not a single rider who won the TDF without doping and also the pursuers in the rankings, whatever the nationality.
Anyway I don’t care of this sports of cheaters and junkies. But as long as people would watch this race to money, cyclisme could not be reclaimed.

#32 11 months ago

Feel bad for Dan Martin today. It’s a shame the crash didn’t come a bit further out so he had time to get back to the peloton. It couldn’t have come at a worse point in the stage!

Nice bit of contact in the sprint at the end, Gaviria should have had a DQ imo.

Cobbles tomorrow.

#33 11 months ago

Ahh, Sagan went way too soon. A rare mistake for him, but exciting finish.

Gaviria tried to take the inside (a supposed unspoken "no" in the sprint), but that headbutt was ridiculous. You kick Sagan out of the tour last year for no contact, and nothing for this? Not unique to cycling, but inconsistency of officials is quite frustrating.

#34 11 months ago

Zzzzzz buncha cheaters

#35 11 months ago

Because baseball and football players have never taken performance enhancing drugs

#36 11 months ago

Real things are starting soon. No one is going to win the tour de France today, but some will probably lose it. Weather is good and it has not been raining for a while, so you won't see "l'enfer du Nord" - North Hell.

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#37 11 months ago

Really looking forward to today, there’s going to be a lot of pushing for position on the road going into the cobbled sections. Going to be dusty!

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#38 11 months ago

Well that definitely lived up to expectation, I was on the edge of my seat the whole stage! Poor Ritchie, Le Tour and BMC don’t mix with him unfortunately. Quite glad it is a rest day tomorrow after all that.

#39 11 months ago

Cobbles left their mark on a multitude of riders, and decimated BMC today. Looking forward to the mountains now.

#40 11 months ago

Wow, Stage 9 was crazy. A lot of carnage out there.

#41 11 months ago

Epic stage, brilliant ride from G!

Alpe d'Huez and hopefully more fireworks tomorrow

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