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“Regarding your Pinside ad: Lazer Lord prototype”
Pinsider igo4rams started this PM thread on Wednesday September 6th 2017 at 06:36pm.
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Message #1 of 40 3 months ago
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igo4rams
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Hi,
I am a pinball collector near Grand Rapids, Michigan. I would be interested in your game. You are correct it is a prototype. You have what is called a white board. There is a game out there that has the art work on the playfield. You can see the game at:http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1421&picno=62867
I not sure what your game is worth, please let me know what you want. I would like to have a chance at getting a game like this. It would be worth much more if it had the art work on it.
Thanks, Ken
Message #2 of 40 3 months ago
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tedandjen
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Thanks for the info and interest. You are welcome to make me a offer at any time. BTW the layout looks a little different on that one. Guessing mine was from the beginning stages of development. Hope Gary Stern calls me back today and can answer some questions for me. Thanks Ted
Message #3 of 40 3 months ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
After some looking, I see what you are saying. Your game must be what they wanted at first. Then it looks like they went with a copy of the game Quicksilver: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1895 So does your game play? I wonder if the software it the same as the final game. Your cabinet is not the same as the final game either. Looks like all you have is the same backglass. Really not sure what to offer. If you get offers you don't like let me know. If you had the final prototype you could do well. But not sure on a prototype to the prototype? Still interested.
Thanks, Ken
Message #4 of 40 3 months ago
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tedandjen
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Yes im sure mine was in the beginning stages of development. Im a plumber and not an electronics guy. It looks complete but i dont want to mess anything up by plugging a bunch of wires in. It looks like it will need to be gone through. I did get a offer of $2000 so far. Thanks Ted
Message #5 of 40 3 months ago
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Ted,
That sounds like a good offer. I was thinking more in the 1k. You may get some tire kickers and talkers too. I am a serious pinball collector and am off this week and have the money cash on hand. Hope it finds a good home. Thanks for messaging me.
Ken
Message #6 of 40 3 months ago
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tedandjen
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Ok thanks Ken. I will keep you posted.
Message #7 of 40 3 months ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
Just a note: The one thing we don't know is, was the MPU (control board/ mother board) programmed for that playfield and scoring? That would make a big difference. The game would not be playable with out the Programming. This may have been a playfield concept and never made it to programming. Did the person whom sold you the game say if it played "OK" at one time. Or you can look at the MPU and see what chips are in the game chip locations. Can you send me a close up pick of the MPU board? The MPU board should say Stern 200 or 100 on it.
Ken
Message #8 of 40 3 months ago
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tedandjen
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I will post pics of board on ad. Person i got it from had no info on it.
Message #9 of 40 3 months ago
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tedandjen
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Im thinking chips say date and lazer lord on them is a good thing........
Message #10 of 40 3 months ago
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igo4rams
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That does sound good.
Ken
Message #11 of 40 58 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
I see your game on ebay. If your game does not sell would you consider trading the game for a working game and some cash? I have a few games I have two copies of. If I get the game, I will make sure it gets up and running and I will bring it to pinball shows for other to play. I also have pinball friends over from time to time to play all my games.
Thanks for your time, Ken
Message #12 of 40 57 days ago
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tedandjen
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hello ken
thanks for reaching out to me. we shall see what happens with the auction.
we can talk more about it after it ends, if it doesnt sell. I will think your offer over.
what game and cash are you offering? i will email you when it ends and then we can talk about it.
thanks
ted
Message #13 of 40 57 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
Thanks for the message back. I am not sure what you would like. I have some EM (electrical mechanical) games and some digital games. Something older or newer? Here is a list of the games I would consider in the trade: 1963 Gottlieb Sweet Hearts, 1972 Bally Fireball, 1974 Williams OXO, 1961 Gottlieb Corral, 1961 Gottlieb Show Boat, 1982 Bally Eight Ball Deluxe LTD, 1981 Gottlieb Mars God of War, 1985 Bally Cybernaut, 1977 Bally Eight Ball, 1972 Bally El Toro, 1986 Bally Lady Luck, 1952 Gottlieb Crossroads, 1977 Williams Rancho. Some games need work some don't. I can ad more or less cash depending on the game you pick. Do any of these interest you. The games I have two of are Eight ball Deluxe, Mars God of War and Fireball.
Thanks, Ken
Message #14 of 40 56 days ago
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tedandjen
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Lets see how auction turns out then we can figure something out. Thanks Ted
Message #15 of 40 56 days ago
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igo4rams
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Sounds good. I am not to far from you, just a few hours away. Hope we can work out a deal.
Thanks, Ken
Message #16 of 40 49 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
Looks like the game did not sell? wanted to also let you know I have a super nice CD jukebox (wall mount) that I can ad to the deal if you are interested. The Juke box is a NSM FireBird II. holds 100 cds and looks and sounds awesome. Comes with remote, wall mount and keys. They sell for 1k on ebay. So I would be willing to ad that and a pinball that works and some money?
thanks, Ken
Message #17 of 40 46 days ago
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tedandjen
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Sorry for the slow response. Been busy. Still not sure what to do here. Thinking about seeing if it is a working game or not. I know that will cost me some money to find out and i would have to find someone to work on it that i trust. I know if the roms are bad the game isnt worth anything but if they are good then i think i will be good. That is a chance im willing to take at this point. As far as the games on your list you sent me nothing peaked my wifes interest. She likes Pinbot, Roadshow, funhouse And yup she has a hand in this too............ I still have someone local that made me a pretty good cash offer so im thinking on it also.
Message #18 of 40 46 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ok, Please keep me posted. Ken
Message #19 of 40 46 days ago
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igo4rams
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Oh, did you have any interest in the CD jukebox I sent you info on? I would be willing to ad cash to the juke and/or one of the pinballs I listed. Of all the games I sent you, the best working and best condition would be the Cybernout. I did all the upgrades and modes. That game should bring around 1k and the Juikebox should bring 1k and I would ad 1k cash. That would be a total of 3k. I would also do the driving, in Chicago (priceless). That would be my best offer. Can't do 3k cash, but can do cash and trades. Please keep that on your list and let me know when you make a decision. Thanks, Ken
Message #20 of 40 43 days ago
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tedandjen
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Ok Ken i talked it over with my wife. Cant use the juke and dont have the patience to sell it. Would you do the Cybernout and $2000 cash? Thanks Ted
Message #21 of 40 43 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted, thanks for the offer. I am very serious and don't want to miss out on this deal, but I am a little cash light. Could you possible do 1500 and cybernaut. I will still do all the driving. I can send a deposit with PayPal and the balance in cash at pick up. I have over 400 positive feedbacks on eBay, my eBay name is: igo4rams.
Thanks, Ken
Message #22 of 40 43 days ago
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tedandjen
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Well im not in a big hurry to sell it. We were thinking the $2000 cash plus cybernaut. Im kind of thinking of keeping it now. I did notice a sticker on one of the boards from 1992 saying it was gone through. Im thinking that means it was a full working pin at one point in time. So im thinking that $2000 cash upon pickup and cybernaut and we have a deal. Thanks
Message #23 of 40 43 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
That sticker may be talking about just the board it is on. All the boards in the game are standard boards. The only board that is special is the MPU and only the chips on the board. That is why so many pinball guys say please be careful with the info on the chips. If the programming for that game is gone, that would be a very bad deal. That is why most pin guy don't want to offer so much. The chips hold all the rules for the game. With out a copy or even paper with the rules on it and if the chips are bad then the game is just a cool looking game. I am willing to risk 1500 and a very nice working game. But I will think on your offer.
If we come to a deal what works best for you, week day, weekend and time of day?
Message #24 of 40 43 days ago
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tedandjen
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Ok cool. think about it and let me know. Im an plumbing contractor so im in and out all day and night. Whenever you want works for me and i will be sure im here.
Message #25 of 40 42 days ago
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igo4rams
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Hi Ted,
Been thinking about the deal. The biggest risk is the chips (lost programming/game rules). If we knew for sure the programming/game rules were still good I would have no problem with 2k and Cybernaut. With out the programming the game is not worth much, for sure not worth my offer of 1500 and Cybernaut. But if you are willing to take the 1500 and Cybernaut now and the 500 after I have the chips checked for the programming, I can do that. Or take something closer to 1500 and cybernaut and be done? I have the cash on hand and can pack up Cybernaut quickly. By the way my wife was a little upset when I told her I was trading Cybernaut. We got it with another game and she told the guy we would keep them together. Silly thing to tell someone. You will not be unhappy with Cybernaut, it is in great condition and looks almost new. Plays great and has really great sounds. Out all my games it is one of the best. I would say Cybernaut could bring between 1k to 1.5k from what I have seen on ebay. As for traveling, I can drive over this weekend or after work during the week.
Thanks, Ken
Message #26 of 40 41 days ago
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tedandjen
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Ok Ken $1500 cash upon pick up plus the cybernaut. And the other $500 due upon chips testing good. I think that would be a fair deal. Im free all weekend but having a party tonight starting around 6pm. My address is
Message #27 of 40 41 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ok, great. I will call you after I send this message. My cell is......... Today works best for us, we can leave in an hour of so. Be there by 4pm. You will have a fun working pinball for you party?
Talk to you soon, Ken
Message #28 of 40 40 days ago
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Ted,
Made it home just fine. The game made it too. I have to clear some room in my shop for the game. May be a while before I get to it. I will keep you posted. By the way how did the party go? Was the pinball a big hit? Does your wife like the game?
Ken
Message #29 of 40 39 days ago
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tedandjen
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Party was great. Played pinball till 4am and yes she likes it.
Message #30 of 40 8 days ago
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tedandjen
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Hi Ken. Looks like lazer lord is coming along great. I see the roms were ok. Thank god!
Message #31 of 40 8 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted,
Roms were good but not special. The roms were the same as the other Lazerlord. I am still testing the game but I am thinking that we are good. The info is already out there for free. Are you ok with that?
Ken
Message #32 of 40 8 days ago
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tedandjen
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Am i ok with what?
Message #33 of 40 8 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ok with not owing the 500. The EPROMs were not one of a kind, even though the info on them was good, it already was out there for free. Just glad the info was out there. If you are ever in our area you should stop by and play a game or two.
Ken
Message #34 of 40 8 days ago
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tedandjen
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No im not ok with that. Our deal was if the roms were not corrupt you would send the other 500. The game looks like it works so whats the problem? You purchased an prototype game from me. I kind of thought you were going to screw me from jump. Our deal was not for special or one of a kind roms. It was for a prototype whitewood lazerlord with working roms.
Message #35 of 40 8 days ago
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igo4rams
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Ted
I am not screwing you. It was not said but implied that the roms were one of a kind. They are not one of a kind and any one can up load them for free. No one even thought that was in the cards. You and I both took a risk and I had the most to lose. Remember we all were telling you to be very careful with the roms they were the only ones? So it was implied. I feel you did well and it worked out well for me too.
Message #36 of 40 7 days ago
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tedandjen
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Yes you are screwing me. Go back and read our messages to eachother.
Hi Ted,
Been thinking about the deal. The biggest risk is the chips (lost programming/game rules). If we knew for sure the programming/game rules were still good I would have no problem with 2k and Cybernaut. With out the programming the game is not worth much, for sure not worth my offer of 1500 and Cybernaut. But if you are willing to take the 1500 and Cybernaut now and the 500 after I have the chips checked for the programming, I can do that. Or take something closer to 1500 and cybernaut and be done? I have the cash on hand and can pack up Cybernaut quickly. By the way my wife was a little upset when I told her I was trading Cybernaut. We got it with another game and she told the guy we would keep them together. Silly thing to tell someone. You will not be unhappy with Cybernaut, it is in great condition and looks almost new. Plays great and has really great sounds. Out all my games it is one of the best. I would say Cybernaut could bring between 1k to 1.5k from what I have seen on ebay. As for traveling, I can drive over this weekend or after work during the week.
Ok Ken $1500 cash upon pick up plus the cybernaut. And the other $500 due upon chips testing good. I think that would be a fair deal. Im free all weekend but having a party tonight starting around 6pm.
Im not going to have a pissing match with you. A deal is a deal.
Thanks, Ken
Message #37 of 40 7 days ago
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igo4rams
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That was under the premise the e proms were one of a kind. Did anyone know that they were not, no. No one screwing anyone. If I wanted to screw you I could have lied and said they were bad. If you keep saying I am screwing you, I am done talking.
Message #38 of 40 7 days ago
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tedandjen
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ken
so where we at, are you saying you arent going to hold up your end of the deal. Reminiscing, you never said to me that you would only pay me the other $500 If the roms were one of a kind. All our message contexts discuss the other $500 being paid if the chips tested non corrupt and programmed. Yes it was implied the roms were important. They are for sure. But not special-one of a kind. So my question is will the game work with the eproms that are in it? I dont want things to get out of hand between us so lets make it all good.
Message #39 of 40 6 days ago
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Just a side note. This is why some contracts can be so long and boring. What is not said can be the biggest problem.
To me the understanding was the eproms were one of a kind and therefore had to be intact and working. That was partially true. That is what I am trying to tell you. I did not need the eproms after all. The eprom info is already available on the net. No one knew that until I had them tested. That was a risk you and I both took. I feel I had almost all risk and all the work. I feel it was unexpected but awesome that the info was already safe and out there for anyone to have. First thing I said to the guy reading the chips was "now what, how can that be so". Myself and everyone out there were thinking the info was one of a kind. That is one reason why it was never said, it was understood or implied. We did not know the eproms would work until I got the game up and running. Still don't have everything working but can say with some certainty that the eproms work in this game. I can say, I would have tried the eprom info out there if the eproms in this game did not work. Having working and not corrupt eproms was helpful. I am still of the belief I don't owe you the $500 but I am okay with the way the eproms turned out. I am willing to send you an amount that is comparable to the risk you took compared to the risk I took, one fifth. If $100 will make things right, I can send that today. Paypal or by check in the mail?
Message #40 of 40 3 days ago
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tedandjen
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Are you going to pay me the $500 now?
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