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Restoring a Evel Knievel EM


By pinhead52

1 year ago



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#1 1 year ago

Im restoring an Evil Knievel EM for a buddy, its a little (alot) rusty inside. There is a 1974 Champ machine some what close to me $500 or maybe less. Are all the reels steppers the same between the two machines? I would plunder the Champ to get the EK EM restore rolling.

#2 1 year ago

The answer to your question is both yes & no from my experience with EM parts. Some parts will be identical but others like steppers have unique disk & wipers that are game specific. It would likely make sense to find a "donor machine" from around the same era but it doesn't really make sense to tear apart a decent machine as a donor. Perhaps trying posting both here & and RGP looking for a "parts machine" in your area might be a better way to find a donor?

Just be sure to fully match each part before just trying to change stuff over. Score reels should be the same but score motor & steppers will likely need to have parts moved over from your EK to make them work. Metal parts on those assemblies should be the same but some stuff will be different for sure.

#3 1 year ago
Quoted from too-many-pins:

The answer to your question is both yes & no from my experience with EM parts. Some parts will be identical but others like steppers have unique disk & wipers that are game specific. It would likely make sense to find a "donor machine" from around the same era but it doesn't really make sense to tear apart a decent machine as a donor. Perhaps trying posting both here & and RGP looking for a "parts machine" in your area might be a better way to find a donor?
Just be sure to fully match each part before just trying to change stuff over. Score reels should be the same but score motor & steppers will likely need to have parts moved over from your EK to make them work. Metal parts on those assemblies should be the same but some stuff will be different for sure.

Of course there will be unique pieces on each machine, would need wipers and disks moved over but as long as the hardware is the same then I can change out the rusty bits.

You are not going to get closer to a parts machine then this... "was working 10 years ago" especially if I dont have to pay 200-300 shipping

dallas.craigslist.org link

#4 1 year ago

Oh my, that is not worth $500.

I need a Bally EM credit knocker assembly with wire and Jones plug. If you get it, let me know.

#5 1 year ago

I would put an offer of $200 to $250 on that Champ and see what happens. I wouldn't tell the seller you want it for parts - that might upset some people. I would simply explain fixed up that Champ is only about a $700 machine (at best) and typically it takes 30 to 40 hours to go through a machine like that to make them work 100% again & clean them up as they should be.

I hate to say it makes sense parting out any machine but on the flip side you need to do what ever it takes to save that EK since that is so rare & in demand.

#6 1 year ago
Quoted from too-many-pins:

I would put an offer of $200 to $250 on that Champ and see what happens. I wouldn't tell the seller you want it for parts - that might upset some people. I would simply explain fixed up that Champ is only about a $700 machine (at best) and typically it takes 30 to 40 hours to go through a machine like that to make them work 100% again & clean them up as they should be.
I hate to say it makes sense parting out any machine but on the flip side you need to do what ever it takes to save that EK since that is so rare & in demand.

yea 250 was going to be my offer. He's 2 1/2 hours out of Dallas so thats the 1st strike. Called him and he said somebody is coming to get it next week (maybe) i told him Id get it today... waiting for a call back

#7 1 year ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

Im restoring an Evil Knievel EM

Good to see you found a EK EM locally

What about the Mata Hari EM you were talking about ?

#8 1 year ago
Quoted from BallyCrazy:

Good to see you found a EK EM locally
What about the Mata Hari EM you were talking about ?

There is one locally but when I told the current owner where it be going he was reluctant to sell, dang. Did find a beautiful backglass. I wonder if anybody is sitting on a cpr pf?

#9 1 year ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

There is one locally but when I told the current owner where it be going he was reluctant to sell, dang.

Who Dat!!

#12 1 year ago

This turns out to be an interesting one. Normally you could jump to one of the Bally parts catalogs and compare different machines down to individual parts. Champ is no problem you can see all the parts in the 1976 catalog. But EK is one of those last EMs that also was an SS. As far as I know that 1976 parts catalog listed in this link is the last one for EMs. And EK is not in there at all. Then you go to the 1979 parts catalog which is all SS and only covers EK in SS form. So there appears to be no parts documentation at all for the EM version of EK. You will just have to compare the EM parts between it and the Champ such as the score reels and other stepper units. They tend to be very similar over the years, but there can be variances. I presume the playfield stuff is the same.

Looks like the same thing applies to other EM/SS such as Knight Rider, Mata Hari, Freedom.

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#13 1 year ago

Here are the EK EM playfield parts from the Manual. Some parts numbers in the EK SS Manual are different.
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My second EK EM is now fully operational(the one on the right)
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#14 1 year ago

i get my pf back from clearcoating on Sunday. will need some help ballycrazy with pics of the bottom.

thx

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#15 1 year ago

Pictures taken before restauration. Let me know if you need more...
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#16 1 year ago

Ok pf back from clearcoating... now to figure out where all the stuff goes.

ballycrazy on the night rider game Im using as a doner for parts somebody has added a second reset solenoid to the drop target bank, ie one at each end. Your EK/my EK does not have this. Should I add?

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#17 1 year ago

And there are a couple of gi lights under the board at the left in my pic, cant figure out how those lamps get 6volts?

#18 1 year ago

Here's 10 hours of reattaching the harness, new sockets new braid, stainless steel screws

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#19 1 year ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

ballycrazy on the night rider game Im using as a doner for parts somebody has added a second reset solenoid to the drop target bank, ie one at each end. Your EK/my EK does not have this. Should I add?[quoted image]

The 2 EK EM I've got have only one coil for drop target bank reset and both work great like that...

#20 1 year ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

And there are a couple of gi lights under the board at the left in my pic, cant figure out how those lamps get 6volts?

Can you show exactly those lamps on the picture so I can have a look on my EK to see where the 6 v comes from ?

#21 1 year ago

these three/four

and was white nylon acorn nuts the standard for this game?

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#22 1 year ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

these three/four
and was white nylon acorn nuts the standard for this game?
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I found white nylon acorn nuts on my two EK EM playfield platics....

For the 3 lamps, I'll unscrew and remove later on today the relays bank and take pics so you can see how they get 6volts

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from BallyCrazy:

I found white nylon acorn nuts on my two EK EM playfield platics....
For the 3 lamps, I'll unscrew and remove later on today the relays bank and take pics so you can see how they get 6volts

Yea, we have the heavy yellow leads that is the common/return braid and then the heavy blue leads that is the 6v supply. was thinking they might do a brad for the blue supply as well?

#24 1 year ago

Hope it can help...

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#25 1 year ago

thanks @ballycrazy i got it all figured out with your help. Now to flip over and start the top

#26 1 year ago

I forgot to put in all the T nuts, should have done that on a blank pf. Got that all done now. ballycrazy could I get some pics of the top side so I can start populating the top?

thanks

#27 1 year ago

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#29 1 year ago

Perfect! this will be a big help. Gottlieb pfs I can do with my eyes closed. This Bally one has some wrinkles. I guess Im not likely to find red lane dividers with the Bally logo stamped in. The originals are not bad shape.

#30 1 year ago

Playfield coming along. Really wacky screw/bolt usage. Waiting for the mounting plates before mounting the live pops.

Original sling plastic on right, repo on the left. Nice topper...

Ive got to redo the mounting of the rectangular target, its a little too low on the finger, catches the edge of the CC'd pf

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#31 1 year ago

I don't believe that should be a square target.
Both em and solid-state are round.

and yeah the art quality of the cpr plastics is lacking on this title but the topper is great.

#32 1 year ago
Quoted from Timerider:

I don't believe that should be a square target.
Both em and solid-state are round.
and yeah the art quality of the cpr plastics is lacking on this title but the topper is great.

Well it came with rectangular and i have 3 other em examples with rect. so it gets a rect.

pf all glued together, just waiting on the ss pop plates.

#33 1 year ago

Still waiting for the pop bumper plates but I put it together and starting to bring it back to life. Anybody have the start up seq for this game?

It will mostly start a game, one set of reels not resetting. do both 1st reset score and 2nd reset score relays get pulsed at the same time?

Ken

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#34 1 year ago

A side note, this game is 95% EM but there is a logic board doing the rotating jumping motorcycle graphic in the backglass.

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#35 1 year ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

A side note, this game is 95% EM but there is a logic board doing the rotating jumping motorcycle graphic in the backglass.[quoted image]

Here it is :
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#36 1 year ago

Turns out I had the manual with the start seq. Was having all sorts of start up issues, couldnt decipher the score motor, stacks not matching. Turns out I had the score motor disk label upside down! Thanks ballycrazy for the score motor pic.

Here's the mounting plate installed (ss pfs), thanks robertmee for sourcing a couple along with the improved kickers.

Just need to work on P2, P3 P4 reels.

Ken

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#37 1 year ago

Hey ballycrazy what does this jumper block do on the bottom of the pf?

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#39 1 year ago

If you cant find punches for redoing serial numbers you can always paint them on.

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#40 8 months ago

I just replaced the rectifier board on my Evel Knievel project machine. I have a new MPU that I purchased (other had battery damage), but before I plug that in I wanted to check the voltages for the Solenoid driver board. Since you are doing a beautiful restoration of yours, I figured you would know what I should check and the correct parameters. Can you help?

#41 8 months ago

Diver, this is the EM version, no rectifier board.
Maybe check pinwiki, it’s the same for all Bally/Stern rec. boards

#42 8 months ago
Quoted from Timerider:

I don't believe that should be a square target.
Both em and solid-state are round.
and yeah the art quality of the cpr plastics is lacking on this title but the topper is great.

Yeah that slingshot plastic is horrible, there is no way I'd put that on the game. Stick with the originals and send the repo's back for a refund!!

John

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