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Last Action Hero DMD and Fuse issue

By Mttw

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

I purchased a Last action Hero machine this weekend. Was told it was shopped. It has new rotten dog boards ect. After 10 minutes of play the display went out. I found that the F7 fusion was blown. When replaced the fuse immediately blew when the machine was turned on. I believe I narrowed the cause down to the power supply being bad or the DMD itself. My reading on the power supply board test points are +5 = 5 +12= 12 -12VU=-14 -110V =73 -100 = 0 +68v =73

Does this mean the power supply is bad?
Another note when the DMD was completely disconnected it did not blow the fuse.

Thanks for the help!

Edit.

I took out the rotten dog board that came with the machine. As you can see in the pictures it has burned. I installed a new xpin board and new DMD. When I turned the machine on the DMD lit up for 10 seconds then Stopped. I tested all the fuses in the new xpin board and F3 blew.

Edit 2. I just took out the new xpin power board. It does not appear to have any damage to it.

Edit 3. Rotten dog power supply damaged the new DMD. This caused the new power supply to blow its fuse when plugged in. I was originally told by the seller that it couldn't be the power supply and must be the DMD. This is why I brought the readings here. I have learned a lot over the past few weeks and had little knowledge on this stuff before. I was relying on the seller help on trying to fix this issue. He clearly knew what was going on but didn't want to admit how bad the issue was. The blame was immediately put on me stating it was from the move. First he stated the cause was from a pinched wire. Then after none was found he suggested that it was the DMD so I purchased a new one and plugged it in :/. He had the same readings as posted here I purchased this machine being told that it would not have major problems due to the knew board ect. I only got to play it for 10 minutes. I appreciate all of your guys help. I would also like the make a huge shoutout to Brett from Xpin. He has been great! I will post another update once everything is plugged back in.

Edit 4. Brett fixed the DMD and tested it with the new power supply both worked. I installed last night and everything appeared operational. I was not able to fully play it last night. (kids were asleep and the shaker motor makes that machine loud). I will put some hours on it tonight and check in again.

Edit 5 Played for 30 mins not problems!

#2 1 year ago

Yes, the Rottendog power supply failed.

You have 3 choices.
1. Have someone repair the board
2. Buy a replacement Xpin power supply
3. Install a ColorDMD and don't worry about the power supply repair/replacement

#3 1 year ago

Thanks for the reply!

#4 1 year ago

DMD is probably not bad. While Rottendog PCBs are a great solution, they too can fail. Just because the DMD is disconnected and the fuse doesn’t blow doesn’t mean the DMD is the culprit. You simply need the power supply repaired.

#5 1 year ago

Here is the power supply and the burn it left on the back of the machine.

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#6 1 year ago
Quoted from ryanbrooks:

DMD is probably not bad. While Rottendog PCBs are a great solution, they too can fail. Just because the DMD is disconnected and the fuse doesn’t blow doesn’t mean the DMD is the culprit. You simply need the power supply repaired.

Is there anyway to make sure the DMD is good and possibly not compromise the new Power Supply Board

#7 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

Is there anyway to make sure the DMD is good and possibly not compromise the new Power Supply Board

Test the DMD in another game

#8 1 year ago

So the new power supply and new led dmd worked for 10 seconds before it did the same thing. What now?

#9 1 year ago

lit is still playing a game with a blank screen?

Should have been no need to replace the power supply using a LED display. What brand are both of these?

CN1 have burnt pins on the power supply wired connector?

#10 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

So the new power supply and new led dmd worked for 10 seconds before it did the same thing. What now?

So, you mentioned you just got the game. Is there a chance you pinched some wires when you hinged the head up? Have you done anything besides try to play the game. I’m asking for a very simple reason in where people sometimes think they’re got a major issue or some exotic or rare part/system failure and the most common failures are simple and unfortunately all too often human.

#11 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

So the new power supply and new led dmd worked for 10 seconds before it did the same thing. What now?

Been a minute since I worked on a LAH, but did you change the power supply or the DMD controller? I think DE was the same as Willy in that the DMD power supply is on the DMD controller? So, is the main power supply having issues or the DMD controller?

#12 1 year ago

No pinches during the move. I may be using the wrong terminology. The rotten dog power board failed. I pulled It off and it was burned. I purchased a new xpin LED display and Xpin board. When I installed the new board and new DMD it work for 10 seconds the F 7 fuse blew again. I think I am using the term power supply incorrectly. WhenI say that I am referring to the rotten dog board.

#13 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

No pinches during the move. I may be using the wrong terminology. The rotten dog power board failed. I pulled It off and it was burned. I purchased a new xpin LED display and Xpin board. When I installed the new board and new DMD it work for 10 seconds the F 7 fuse blew again. I think I am using the term power supply incorrectly. WhenI say that I am referring to the rotten dog board.

And everything is plugged in correctly? I’m not trying to be a dick, I make more mistakes than anyone, but have you checked that everything is plugged in correctly?

#14 1 year ago

Yes 100% plugged in correctly. If you want me to take some pictures I can.

#15 1 year ago

Pictures always better than most things we type. Words can swing us 2 different directions based on descriptions.

#16 1 year ago

What all should I take a picture of?

#17 1 year ago

Something doesn't make sense. F7? F7 on my XPin supply for my JP is the GI fuse. Why would that fuse blow?

#18 1 year ago

Oh yeah, one other thing, is XPin now doing green boards? The picture of the burn marks are on a green board. I have only seen purple and black from those guys.

#19 1 year ago

Sorry it’s F3 on the new board. The green board is the rotten dog board that came with the machine on it the dmd is F7

#20 1 year ago

Oh, okay. I like my purple boards. Yeah, F3 is the high voltage fuse. If you put a fuse back in and unplug the DMD, what voltages do you get? Just checked my voltages and I get +73V, -89V, -106V.

#21 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

What all should I take a picture of?

Pretty much everything..power supply, DMD controller, ribbon cable connections and DMD.

#22 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

CN1 have burnt pins on the power supply wired connector

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

lit is still playing a game with a blank screen?

Still waiting to hear about these things.

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from Bugsy_D:

Oh, okay. I like my purple boards. Yeah, F3 is the high voltage fuse. If you put a fuse back in and unplug the DMD, what voltages do you get? Just checked my voltages and I get +73V, -89V, -106V.

Top row -14. 5. 13. Middle row is 18. Bottom three have no reading.

#24 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Still waiting to hear about these things.

C1 is normal , what is lit?

#25 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Pretty much everything..power supply, DMD controller, ribbon cable connections and DMD.

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#26 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

C1 is normal , what is lit?

Are all the insert lamps lit in attract mode and game play, even after the DMD goes out?

Sorry, I was in a hurry to run out to do some repair work before a pinball tournament.

#27 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

CN1 have burnt pins on the power supply wired connector?

Sure is. If you unplug CN1, it will be more noticeable to you with the discoloration of the connector housing.
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#28 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Are all the insert lamps lit in attract mode and game play, even after the DMD goes out?
Sorry, I was in a hurry to run out to do some repair work before a pinball tournament.

Yes everything works fine but the DmD when plugged in

#29 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Sure is. If you unplug CN1, it will be more noticeable to you with the discoloration of the connector housing.
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Good eye I will get better pictures of it

#30 1 year ago

I can't tell what XPin LED DMD you bought. What the part number? They sell different versions, most of which use the 62volts.

#31 1 year ago

Does this help

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#32 1 year ago

Not quite the verification I was looking for since the board part number does not indicate LV or HV.

If you bought the XP-DMD4096LV version, you bought the wrong one according to the warning.

The power supply has 5 volts and 12 volts at that DMD power connector, and yet it is plugged into the XPin DMD showing 2 - 5 volt connections. So there is an issue there. I think you need to contact who you bought the combo from.

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#33 1 year ago

What I would try is replace the F3 fuse, disconnect the XPin DMD, and see if the F3 still blows on the power supply. If it doesn't, test the XPin power supply with a voltmeter for -112v, -100v, 12v, 5v, and 62 volts. If those are good voltages, power down and connect your original DMD.

#34 1 year ago

I purchased HV DMD

#35 1 year ago

I think it is very much worth doing what I mentioned in post 33 to help rule out the new LED DMD as the cause. It is possible the power supply just may have an issue.

#36 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

What I would try is replace the F3 fuse, disconnect the XPin DMD, and see if the F3 still blows on the power supply. If it doesn't, test the XPin power supply with a voltmeter for -112v, -100v, 12v, 5v, and 62 volts. If those are good voltages, power down and connect your original DMD.

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I think it is very much worth doing what I mentioned in post 33 to help rule out the new LED DMD as the cause. It is possible the power supply just may have an issue.

Yeah after some testing the new power board is having problems. -112 when testing resistance is 0. Going to have to send it to get fixed. The new dmd was plugged into the old rotten dog board. It’s possible the rotten dog board messed up the new dmd and when it got plugged into the new power board it might have messed it up.

#37 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

Yeah after some testing the new power board is having problems. -112 when testing resistance is 0. Going to have to send it to get fixed. The new dmd was plugged into the old rotten dog board. It’s possible the rotten dog board messed up the new dmd and when it got plugged into the new power board it might have messed it up.

There should be a warranty on the Xpin power supply. So best to contact the seller.

Originally, your Rottendog board had a 73v on the 68v rail. I don't think that was too much for the Xpin LED. Pretty sure the Xpin display should not have -112v going anywhere on the board other than to the connector.

On occasion, people have reported out of the box failures of Xpin power supplies. Still, I do recommend them over Rottendog anyday.

#38 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I think it is very much worth doing what I mentioned in post 33 to help rule out the new LED DMD as the cause. It is possible the power supply just may have an issue.

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

There should be a warranty on the Xpin power supply. So best to contact the seller.
Originally, your Rottendog board had a 73v on the 68v rail. I don't think that was too much for the Xpin LED. Pretty sure the Xpin display should not have -112v going anywhere on the board other than to the connector.
On occasion, people have reported out of the box failures of Xpin power supplies. Still, I do recommend them over Rottendog anyday.

Xpin has been very helpful. It’s for sure not an out of the box failure. It worked for about 10 seconds and is behaving like exactly like rotten dog. Blows the fuse only when dmd is plugged in. The rottendog had apparent damage.

#39 1 year ago
Quoted from Mttw:

The rottendog had apparent damage.

In general, it does have a design flaw in the HV circuit.

#40 1 year ago

You are also going to need to repin that CN1 wired connector before it damages the board connector and have reset issues.

#41 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

You are also going to need to repin that CN1 wired connector before it damages the board connector and have reset issues.

Do you have a link to any references on how to do that?

1 week later
#42 1 year ago

Update. It appears the Rottendog overloaded the new DMD with to much voltage and damaged a chip. This in turn caused the new power supply to blow its fuse when connected. Should get the DMD and power supply back soon. I would highly recommend XPIN. Brett has been amazing. I will update later this week once everything is plugged back in.

#43 1 year ago
Quoted from ryanbrooks:

DMD is probably not bad. While Rottendog PCBs are a great solution, they too can fail. Just because the DMD is disconnected and the fuse doesn’t blow doesn’t mean the DMD is the culprit. You simply need the power supply repaired.

DMD was damaged by the power supply

#44 1 year ago

Post grew since I got to read it last. Seems like you made a lot of progress. Brett is a good guy. Hopefully he will post something when you get it all worked out and tell us what he found.

#45 1 year ago
Quoted from Bugsy_D:

Post grew since I got to read it last. Seems like you made a lot of progress. Brett is a good guy. Hopefully he will post something when you get it all worked out and tell us what he found.

He said that he may in regards to the rottendog board. From what I understand whatever was supposed to regulate the
High Voltage on the rottendog board bailed and overloaded the DMDs with more voltage than they could handle.

#46 1 year ago

Sorry you got scammed on a supposedly gone through game. Brett’s a good guy, I’m glad he took care of you.

#47 1 year ago
Quoted from Mundy53:

Sorry you got scammed on a supposedly gone through game. Brett’s a good guy, I’m glad he took care of you.

He is a great dude. He went above and beyond. I see you are form Kansas too. Be careful who you get your machine from around here lol

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