In other breaking news, JM is a $4500 game. I rest my case:

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-johnny-mnemonic-collector-quality-chicago-area

Sure beats a $14,000 TOTAN! I rest my case!

Wow! Glad I sold mine last weekend before the price drop this week

That was an awesome JM. Great game!

What was your case? JD has been a 1-1200 for years.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/judge-dredd-is-a-1400-game-folks

and even at $1400 it's still not sold. Some may hope that JD becomes a 2k game, but there will always be low end games. JD, DM, JM, Popeye, black rose....ect, will always be the lower end b/w titles. Doesn't mean they are terrible games, but something has to be at the bottom. It's nice to have games in all prices so there's something for everyone. Some of the C and D list games are better than the A list when it comes to fun factor.

omg, stop the presses.

So, if I know of dozens of Judge Dredds that have sold for $1850-$2400....and only a couple that sold for $1400 or under....which ones are the statistical outliers?

Pete

since i've never seen a JD sell over $1300, i'd guess the $1850-2400 range would be pristine exceptional with topper examples. I've seen JD's with higher Asking prices tho (unknown if sold or not for asking). But seen plenty actually sell for the $900-1300 range.

I've had so many games, I would never pay $1850-2400 for a Judge Dredd. I bought one years ago for $1300, and see them for $1400-1500 currently. Yeah, someone lists a high one now and then, but that's not my market for them. It's just not worth the 18-2400 price range imho. I don't care if it becomes a $3000 dollar pin, I will never say I want to buy a Dredd for more than $1300.

the cheapest ones and the most expensive ones. If you get me some data i will analyze the data for you.

If anyone has a JD for sale in the 1 - 1.3k range, please send me a private e-mail. Thanks - John

We picked one up for $500. Can't really beat that! Strange thing is, it was listed for over a week for $600 and no one bought it around here!

You do all realize that the add in the OP was from 2006 right?

Whoops......my bad. Looked in the wrong spot. 2013 it is....but needs a DMD and a lockdown bar and......

The ad was from yesterday. The join date for the person who listed the ad was 2006.

No kidding. I'd buy all the Dredd's I could get at $1k.

Bad DMD and lockbar is beat up, which may lead to other parts under PF specifically beat up. So sure, $1,400 for a beat up game. works for me!

I sold my Dredd for $1100 about a year ago and it was in fantastic shape. This is a perfect example of what my friends and I refer to as "The Pinside Effect"

Hi All,

Just fyi, it was just the finish of the lockbar that was beat up. Everything under the playfield is in good shape.

Game is also sold, pending payment.

Thanks,
Walt

Very nice, congrats on sale!

Some JD's only sell for $1400 (& probably for good reason) & some sell for $2800 (also for good reason). It varies, just like any other game. Not sure what all the fuss is about & why people get their panties in a bunch when a JD sells at the higher end, or when one sells for $1400 other people have to say "told ya so". Its almost childish on both extremes.
JD is a rare B/W DMD widebody that ranks #22 at IPDB & still climbing there & here. I can think of soooo many WORSE games that if they sold for $3k people would say its a steal, so why do people have issues with this game selling in the $2k's?

They fear change.

I only fear getting stuck in a traffic jam in a converitble with the top down.

lets not think $1400 is bottom dollar on this pin. They can be had sub 1k if you have project or non working examples. If your paying over 1k for an average routed non working game. Your pissing your money away. Your going to be into it way more than it's worth by the time your done. Unless that cabinet is unfaded and flawless with a playfield to match. Even then, if the boards look like a chia pet inside, and other main playfield components missing inside, you'll be in deeper than you want.

Or...a motorcycle, that sucks!

Well for that matter even MM could be a sub 1k pin. Condition is Everything!

I disagree. Even the biggest piles of shit, with fluffy water damaged cabinets, wear like crazy, and chia pet boards even sell for 4-5 k. so no they don't. Not even close. Even the nicest JD can't even come close to the worst MM, AFM, CV, MB, TOTAN.

I paid 2350 for my JD (from Astropin)..

But, the playfield is mint, it's got the dead world mod, perfectly working, has the real solid topper, Cointaker LED's everywhere (even the flashers) and the cab is a 8 out of 10...

I'm happy with it at that price.

I love the theme. But a pin without pop bumpers?? What were they thinking?

Chris

yea, like Shadow is such a dog.

For a flow game, Pop bumpers can really screw things up. Part of the reason I like No Fear like I do, is because it has no Pops.... Everything is right now! No waiting around for stuff to exit an endless pop-bumper maze....

I've never played Shadow, but I know a lot of people like it. Maybe I'll change my mind, but I like pop bumpers and think if it is possible to implement them in the design, a pin should have them.

Chris

yea, but when you put pops off on their own, in a special area, they really arn't anything special. like what sterns does with them. no real random variable because they are too confined. if your going to do pops. have them in the open, so they can fuck with you the way they were designed to do.

I've got a machine with pop bumpers right next to it.
It does have a real nice set of drop targets though!

If it falls through, let me know. I'm close by...

You won't. I owned both TS and JD and they're both dogs and I also blame a lack of pops.

One of the reasons I love JD is because it doesn't have pop bumpers. Who wants pops on a game like this? Makes no sense to me. This design just isn't suitable for pop bumpers.

Flawless logic!

Imagine that JD or TS were identical to how they are now but with pop bumpers fitted on the PF using a fold in time/space … would that turn these machines from dogs into something less canine?

yes

Pops are useless in todays day and age. What the hell does a pop pit even do? I'd rather have that space used for something interactive. Games like LOTR, Sopranos, SM, TOM, RFM, AFM, MM, MM, Tron, TF, ect.... all have useless pop pits. Confined area, where the ball gets tossed around in this tiny area with no interaction. Then dribbles out of a little open spot on the bottom. USELESS.

Waste of design and parts dollars that could be spent somewhere else. 3 pops is a lot of hardware for very little gameplay return. If your going to use those pops. Put them out in the open. When was the last time you seen a game, that had a random pop, out in the open to totally fuck with you? It's been awhile. the pop pits are getting very old and repetitive. If that's what they are going to do. Leave them off.

Pop "pits" not interactive? You and I obviously play differently.

I like them and wish both JD and TS had them, period.

Studies have been done. Conclusion is, shaking the game while the ball is in the pop pit doesn't increase the pin action or score much at all....

I'd agree with that. I liked how tspp had them setup. It would be able to come out the bottom controlled, but also had the ability to cause randomness out the right side. Same with PinBot, while relatively tucked away, who hasn't had a pop drain to the left? TZ has them in a dangerous area, and I think that's good.. it's a hazard.

Either way, JD does just fine without pops. I don't like the idea of having something implemented into the design just because all other pins have it.. Neither JD nor TS suffer from a lack of pops, imo.

They arn't interactive at all. The ball gets fed into them. You stand there and watch it and wait for it to dribble out the hole. Even if that space was just rubbers, the effects would be the same. Ever play games like Cyclopes, paragon, CV, TZ where the pops are in the open and can change your ball direction. Big difference. I miss real use of pops in modern games. That's what they were intended for.

Yeah, CV with the pops to the side, that can send the ball toward the flippers, and the third disappearing pop, is pretty cool. But I abhor the pop by the left outlane in TZ!