Any one out there used these guys before? I need a new coin board for my TAF, and no one else seems to have them.
I just added them to my pinball page of parts suppliers, my next order will be with them. They have some nice stuff.
I bought a board from them about a month ago and it came quick with no issues. My experience with them was great.
Keith and Patty are good peeps and have two awesome pups. I'm more of a cat guy but those pugs are awesome.
I bought the same board and others from them.. They ship fast and products work as they should. No worries.
Wow, I guess my money will be in good hands, other than mine!
Thanks everyone, I think I am going to come close to getting divorced over this.
JLB
They were very nice, no doubt, but I still wonder if they actually did anything on my board for the fee....
Quoted from Matt_Rasmussen:They were very nice, no doubt, but I still wonder if they actually did anything on my board for the fee....
So you sent them a non-working board and got it back in the same condition?
I'm just curious because I have a couple of bad WPC-89 MPU boards and was thinking of sending them to K's or someone to be fixed. Since I already have Rottendog replacements though, I might be better off just selling them to someone as-is.
Just used them for the first time last week to get a system 11 3 bank drop target. Fast shipping and the product works fine.
Great peps and my favorite part I always talk to a actual person when I call and they answer every time!
I had one time that made me suspicious and I was worried from then on. This is just my experience but I didn't do the deal and it could have all been a big misunderstanding.
Early on in my pin experience, I had a game with some acid damage. He wanted me to take some photos and send them to him. I did and he called me and said the board was completely trashed and not worth repairing. He asked me to send him the board in so he could put the old chips in a new board he would install them and sell me a new board. I asked if I could just send him the chips and he said he would be more comfortable removing the chips himself. I then noticed that he sold refurbished boards and that made me nervous that he was just going to do a simple fix and sell them and make double the profit. I ended up sending my boards somewhere else and the repair cost me $75 and the guy said it was an easy fix.
Now....It could be that the pictures were misleading. I am not saying that Keith is a crook, just that I am very hesitant to do business with him now.
Just ordered a replacement opto switch board from K's. I got it fast and it arrived 0acked perfectly. Installed it and it.works great. Next time i need something they are carrying i wont hesitate.
Quoted from futurepinhead:I had one time that made me suspicious and I was worried from then on. This is just my experience but I didn't do the deal and it could have all been a big misunderstanding.
Early on in my pin experience, I had a game with some acid damage. He wanted me to take some photos and send them to him. I did and he called me and said the board was completely trashed and not worth repairing. He asked me to send him the board in so he could put the old chips in a new board he would install them and sell me a new board. I asked if I could just send him the chips and he said he would be more comfortable removing the chips himself. I then noticed that he sold refurbished boards and that made me nervous that he was just going to do a simple fix and sell them and make double the profit. I ended up sending my boards somewhere else and the repair cost me $75 and the guy said it was an easy fix.
Now....It could be that the pictures were misleading. I am not saying that Keith is a crook, just that I am very hesitant to do business with him now.
Hmm ya, hard to say. The place doing my CP boards just called and my CPU board is acid damaged on both sides :/ Repair was most likely not going to fix it more than a month. All the other boards checked out. So off to buy a new cpu. Not sure if my old cpu board is shipped back....I should ask. Well it is best to stick with your gut, it is usually right.
Quoted from northvibe:Hmm ya, hard to say. The place doing my CP boards just called and my CPU board is acid damaged on both sides :/ Repair was most likely not going to fix it more than a month. All the other boards checked out. So off to buy a new cpu. Not sure if my old cpu board is shipped back....I should ask. Well it is best to stick with your gut, it is usually right.
I would not be surprised if this was a common practice across all the places. I will try to keep all my business to Pinside members if at all possible.
Quoted from futurepinhead:I would not be surprised if this was a common practice across all the places. I will try to keep all my business to Pinside members if at all possible.
I use clive @ coin op cauldron exclusively for board work... haven't had an issue. Great guy so far and I've had almost 10 boards now done. I agree. I'm glad there is a forum we can share experiences. The pin world is small but info about specific things can be hard to find.
I've ordered boards from Keith before. Great to work with and stands behind what he sells. Also has a pretty damn good inventory.
Good guy to deal with!
Quoted from futurepinhead:I had one time that made me suspicious and I was worried from then on. This is just my experience but I didn't do the deal and it could have all been a big misunderstanding.
Early on in my pin experience, I had a game with some acid damage. He wanted me to take some photos and send them to him. I did and he called me and said the board was completely trashed and not worth repairing. He asked me to send him the board in so he could put the old chips in a new board he would install them and sell me a new board. I asked if I could just send him the chips and he said he would be more comfortable removing the chips himself. I then noticed that he sold refurbished boards and that made me nervous that he was just going to do a simple fix and sell them and make double the profit. I ended up sending my boards somewhere else and the repair cost me $75 and the guy said it was an easy fix.
Now....It could be that the pictures were misleading. I am not saying that Keith is a crook, just that I am very hesitant to do business with him now.
I would bank on it being a misunderstanding.
Keith is trustworthy and I would never worry sending him something of mine, if I didn't repair my own.
Here's probably why - I'm guessing you had a WPC CPU of some flavor.
If it was a WPC CPU, you would have had to transfer the ASIC chip, which is an 84 pin PLCC, and it is easily damaged if removed incorrectly or with the wrong tools. The ASIC is an EXPENSIVE chip.
If it's a WPC-S or WPC-95 CPU, add in a $30 security chip. Also easily damaged if installed backwards, or a pin gets broken.
The ASIC can be installed rotated 90 degrees if someone forces it, and that will damage the chip and the socket.
All flavors of WPC CPUs have a game ROM and a 6809 processor as well. Those aren't inexpensive either!
Or, when a collector gets a new rottendog board, installs the ASIC/6809/ROM backwards, and damages the repro board and the chips. Then, the person files a paypal claim, and wants to return a physically damaged board for a refund, and the board seller gets screwed.
If you send Keith your old board, he can transfer the chips, test the board, and make sure it works 100% before he sends it out. Then, he knows you will have the positive experience that you want.
I would work the same way if I sold repro CPUs. But I don't.
The solution here is easy - have him do the chip swap for you, and ask him to please return your original board with the new one. Something I'm pretty sure he would do without even being asked.
And, just to add to the discussion...
Alkaline damage is often time consuming to repair if it's progressed very far.
Time is money - especially when it's someone who makes their *living* repairing PCBs.
I take on a fair amount of alkaline damage repairs for my customers - but I don't do this for a living. I still do turn some away as unrepairable.
If something is going to take half a day to repair, and a technician is going to make a living wage, they can't repair a trashed CPU board for $100. Not a chance.
If they are going to charge you $200 to repair that board, and a Rottendog board is under $200 shipped, you're a fool to pay the $200. If you are bent on original, find a clean original repairable board and have that repaired.
Trust me, if Keith Apgar were not reputable, you'd see it all over the internet, much like goes on with MAD Amusements now.
MAD is not reputable. Keith is. Take it to the bank!
Keith is reputable. Clive is reputable. Rob Anthony is reputable. Chris Hibler is reputable. John Robertson is reputable. I'd like to think I am as well.
Quoted from johnwartjr:I would bank on it being a misunderstanding.
Keith is trustworthy and I would never worry sending him something of mine, if I didn't repair my own.
Here's probably why - I'm guessing you had a WPC CPU of some flavor.
If it was a WPC CPU, you would have had to transfer the ASIC chip, which is an 84 pin PLCC, and it is easily damaged if removed incorrectly or with the wrong tools. The ASIC is an EXPENSIVE chip.
If it's a WPC-S or WPC-95 CPU, add in a $30 security chip. Also easily damaged if installed backwards, or a pin gets broken.
The ASIC can be installed rotated 90 degrees if someone forces it, and that will damage the chip and the socket.
All flavors of WPC CPUs have a game ROM and a 6809 processor as well. Those aren't inexpensive either!
Or, when a collector gets a new rottendog board, installs the ASIC/6809/ROM backwards, and damages the repro board and the chips. Then, the person files a paypal claim, and wants to return a physically damaged board for a refund, and the board seller gets screwed.
If you send Keith your old board, he can transfer the chips, test the board, and make sure it works 100% before he sends it out. Then, he knows you will have the positive experience that you want.
I would work the same way if I sold repro CPUs. But I don't.
The solution here is easy - have him do the chip swap for you, and ask him to please return your original board with the new one. Something I'm pretty sure he would do without even being asked.
Thanks for the detailed info! Sometimes I thought it was just a rom chip swap....Pinball is always a tougher fix than that though
Quoted from johnwartjr:I would bank on it being a misunderstanding.
Keith is trustworthy and I would never worry sending him something of mine, if I didn't repair my own.
Here's probably why - I'm guessing you had a WPC CPU of some flavor.
If it was a WPC CPU, you would have had to transfer the ASIC chip, which is an 84 pin PLCC, and it is easily damaged if removed incorrectly or with the wrong tools. The ASIC is an EXPENSIVE chip.
If it's a WPC-S or WPC-95 CPU, add in a $30 security chip. Also easily damaged if installed backwards, or a pin gets broken.
The ASIC can be installed rotated 90 degrees if someone forces it, and that will damage the chip and the socket.
All flavors of WPC CPUs have a game ROM and a 6809 processor as well. Those aren't inexpensive either!
Or, when a collector gets a new rottendog board, installs the ASIC/6809/ROM backwards, and damages the repro board and the chips. Then, the person files a paypal claim, and wants to return a physically damaged board for a refund, and the board seller gets screwed.
If you send Keith your old board, he can transfer the chips, test the board, and make sure it works 100% before he sends it out. Then, he knows you will have the positive experience that you want.
I would work the same way if I sold repro CPUs. But I don't.
The solution here is easy - have him do the chip swap for you, and ask him to please return your original board with the new one. Something I'm pretty sure he would do without even being asked.
I appreciate the info as well. Like I said I did not know if it was a misunderstanding on his OR my part so I am glad that I understand why now. I did not ever want to smear someone's name and I hope I made that clear for whoever read what I wrote but it makes sense to me now.
Again, thanks for the clarification.
I'll throw my two cents worth in as well. Nothing but positive experiences here, and always very quick shipping... And I'm in Canada!
There are two people (other than myself) in the New England area who I would trust to do pinball board repair work, and Keith is one of them (Alan Davidson is the other); I've known both of them for years. (I apologize to any other competent repair techs in the area who might take offense, but I probably don't know you personally hence I can't include you in that count.)
Keith lives about thirty minutes from my house. I've been to pinball events he's hosted at his house, he's been to events at my house, we've discussed pinball repair issues ad nauseum, and I would not hesitate to recommend him. K's Arcade is Keith and Patti's *business*, not a side-line or hobby.
'nuff said.
When I had my system 9 board repaired it was a non-booting mess out of a strikes and spares (I think). Keith advised me that the supply of these is getting low and it was worthwhile to attempt to repair it. It didn't have any battery damage so that was a good start. He did offer to buy the board from me for parts if I decided to replace it. In the end I sent it to him before a holiday break. He had it repaired and shipped back to me for $88.
Since then I have bought several sets of displays from him among other items.
I ordered a new (replacement) DE main cpu board from K's (checkpoint). Board arrived quick and had the roms in it, nvram for no batteries. Works great! Glad I went with K's
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