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Kruzman restored and cleared creature playfield price?

By mmr61184

3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    Hi trying to get an idea on what I can get for a beautifully restored and cleared by Ron Kruzman creature from the black lagoon. Was saving it for a rainy day but running out of room for another game

    #2 3 years ago

    post some pics but if restored by one of the best, i would say 8000 to 8500. but impossible to tell without more details

    #3 3 years ago
    Quoted from mmr61184:

    Hi trying to get an idea on what I can get for a beautifully restored and cleared by Ron Kruzman creature from the black lagoon. Was saving it for a rainy day but running out of room for another game

    Kruzman ONLY does playfields, so you would need to post pics of the cab and the rest of the game to get an accurate idea. I would say in the 7s but what do I know.

    #4 3 years ago

    Are you just talking about the playfield?

    Or is it you have a nice creature with a cleared playfield by Kruzman installed. Is there any mods? Or is it just stock.
    Having some of the key mods make a big difference.
    1. Tailgate mod.
    2. Snack bar mod
    3. Mike D mod

    #5 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    Kruzman ONLY does playfields, so you would need to post pics of the cab and the rest of the game to get an accurate idea. I would say in the 7s but what do I know.

    I agree.

    #7 3 years ago

    Hey my mistake I meant to say playfield sorry about that not the game as a whole just the playfield

    #8 3 years ago

    This should be interesting. I will throw this out also.
    I have 1 of 25 of the Illinois pinball original nude playfields with v legs in car cleared by kruzman also.
    How about speculation on both.

    Magicchiz

    Not to hijack, but interested to see if there is a $ difference.

    #9 3 years ago

    regular creature playfield repaired and cleared by ron -1800 to 2200

    nude creature playfield repaired (even though from factory as work always needs to be done) and cleared by ron - 2800 to 3400

    #10 3 years ago
    Quoted from Saveleaningtower:

    regular creature playfield repaired and cleared by ron -1800 to 2200
    nude creature playfield repaired (even though from factory as work always needs to be done) and cleared by ron - 2800 to 3400

    #11 3 years ago

    Debating on if I should sell my non-nude to buy my grail

    #12 3 years ago

    So Kruzman - as far as I k ow and talked to him last week - is no longer doing restorations, just clear jobs. For clear he charger between 500-700. As I myself have a creature playfield in need of restoration and with HSA no more it’s slim pickings

    #13 3 years ago

    Interesting, no remakes on the horizon either

    #14 3 years ago
    Quoted from Saveleaningtower:

    regular creature playfield repaired and cleared by ron -1800 to 2200
    nude creature playfield repaired (even though from factory as work always needs to be done) and cleared by ron - 2800 to 3400

    I'm tight with money but I was thinking you were $200- to much on the low side and high side, unless it's with free shipping.
    -Mike

    #15 3 years ago
    Quoted from mmr61184:

    Interesting, no remakes on the horizon either

    Stephen from Mirco will be shipping Creature Playfields soon.

    #16 3 years ago
    Quoted from Soulrider911:

    So Kruzman - as far as I k ow and talked to him last week - is no longer doing restorations, just clear jobs. For clear he charger between 500-700. As I myself have a creature playfield in need of restoration and with HSA no more it’s slim pickings

    So who still does playfield restorations? The only two I can think of are Neo and HEP.

    #17 3 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    So who still does playfield restorations? The only two I can think of are Neo and HEP.

    You are correct and some other lesser know names

    #18 3 years ago

    I am so waiting for the repro playfield. Just like BSD, they're coming, and those of us that are patient will benefit.

    #19 3 years ago

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    #20 3 years ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    I am so waiting for the repro playfield. Just like BSD, they're coming, and those of us that are patient will benefit.

    Yes but how many have the quality Kruzman clear coat

    #21 3 years ago
    Quoted from mmr61184:

    Yes but how many have the quality Kruzman clear coat

    At the quoted prices of $1800-$2200 all of them could

    It's not NOS though so that may make a difference to some.

    #22 3 years ago
    Quoted from 85vett:

    At the quoted prices of $1800-$2200 all of them could
    It's not NOS though so that may make a difference to some.

    Most of the playfield remakes have less than desirable clear jobs is what I am getting at.

    #23 3 years ago

    Rumor has it that Mirco is running off some creature playfields some time in the near future

    #24 3 years ago
    Quoted from mmr61184:

    Yes but how many have the quality Kruzman clear coat

    Dont care. Nothing against his work. Just not something I absolutely must have.

    #25 3 years ago

    Nobody can even say they come close to Ron's work. I've seen ALOT of other peoples clears and touch ups and there is just no comparison by far. Sure Ron is expensive but I've always believed you get what you pay for and this is a perfect example of that. If you want it cheaper then by all means let someone else do it but don't be surprised you regret it in the end and that's after its installed. If your gonna have it done why not have it done the best that it can be by someone that's done it for years with a 100% positive rating. For a few extra hundred then what someone might charge it's well worth the extra money. Only problem is that Ron is his own worst critic and it will not leave until he as scrutinized every little detail and yes he will still do some touch ups on a NOS/Repro playfield like around light inserts if needed. Now getting him to do an entire restore is a different story and I don't blame him. Should he be getting $10 per hour or $1 per hour? Because that's pretty much what the difference is between doing just a clear and doing a full blown restoration. The choice is obvious all though it took him years to start turning away playfields that were a wreck to begin with and he finally came to his senses. This is his ONLY income and he has to feed himself and pay the mortgage and bills all on playfield clear coating.

    Off my soap box now.

    John

    #26 3 years ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    Dont care. Nothing against his work. Just not something I absolutely must have.

    Probably because you’ve never seen his work in person

    #27 3 years ago
    Quoted from Dayhuff:

    Nobody can even say they come close to Ron's work. I've seen ALOT of other peoples clears and touch ups and there is just no comparison by far. Sure Ron is expensive but I've always believed you get what you pay for and this is a perfect example of that. If you want it cheaper then by all means let someone else do it but don't be surprised you regret it in the end and that's after its installed. If your gonna have it done why not have it done the best that it can be by someone that's done it for years with a 100% positive rating. For a few extra hundred then what someone might charge it's well worth the extra money. Only problem is that Ron is his own worst critic and it will not leave until he as scrutinized every little detail and yes he will still do some touch ups on a NOS/Repro playfield like around light inserts if needed. Now getting him to do an entire restore is a different story and I don't blame him. Should he be getting $10 per hour or $1 per hour? Because that's pretty much what the difference is between doing just a clear and doing a full blown restoration. The choice is obvious all though it took him years to start turning away playfields that were a wreck to begin with and he finally came to his senses. This is his ONLY income and he has to feed himself and pay the mortgage and bills all on playfield clear coating.
    Off my soap box now.
    John

    All you need to do is see one PF done by literally anyone, past or present, and see it side by side with a Kruzman “looks-like-glass” PF.

    And then look at one in 6 months after 1000 plays. Kruzman’s will look the same.

    I get it that there are people who don’t think it’s a “must have” - that’s a shoot, none of us “NEED!” these games. But if you are serious about a title, there’s no alternative. Plus Ron is a super up front guy who never gets the credit he deserves.

    #28 3 years ago
    Quoted from Dayhuff:

    Nobody can even say they come close to Ron's work. I've seen ALOT of other peoples clears and touch ups and there is just no comparison by far. Sure Ron is expensive but I've always believed you get what you pay for and this is a perfect example of that. If you want it cheaper then by all means let someone else do it but don't be surprised you regret it in the end and that's after its installed. If your gonna have it done why not have it done the best that it can be by someone that's done it for years with a 100% positive rating. For a few extra hundred then what someone might charge it's well worth the extra money. Only problem is that Ron is his own worst critic and it will not leave until he as scrutinized every little detail and yes he will still do some touch ups on a NOS/Repro playfield like around light inserts if needed. Now getting him to do an entire restore is a different story and I don't blame him. Should he be getting $10 per hour or $1 per hour? Because that's pretty much what the difference is between doing just a clear and doing a full blown restoration. The choice is obvious all though it took him years to start turning away playfields that were a wreck to begin with and he finally came to his senses. This is his ONLY income and he has to feed himself and pay the mortgage and bills all on playfield clear coating.
    Off my soap box now.
    John

    Couldn’t be said any better my friend

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    #29 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    All you need to do is see one PF done by literally anyone, past or present, and see it side by side with a Kruzman “looks-like-glass” PF.
    And then look at one in 6 months after 1000 plays. Kruzman’s will look the same.
    I get it that there are people who don’t think it’s a “must have” - that’s a shoot, none of us “NEED!” these games. But if you are serious about a title, there’s no alternative. Plus Ron is a super up front guy who never gets the credit he deserves.

    This is what makes it so hard to sell. I don’t think I can

    #30 3 years ago
    Quoted from mmr61184:

    This is what makes it so hard to sell. I don’t think I can

    Then don't sell it.

    #31 3 years ago

    Interesting the timing of this topic. So I just found a brand new ipb creature playfield. Known for having some of the best clear jobs of any reproduction playfields. But guess where it’s going, directly to Ron. Some may same I’m crazy. But this game is a grail Pin for me and when I restore games I go above and beyond.

    #32 3 years ago

    How about Bill Davis cc'd playfields. Same, better or worse than Kruzman? Kruzman said he was the best and learned from him.

    #33 3 years ago
    Quoted from robotron911:

    Probably because you’ve never seen his work in person

    I have. I just don't "need it that badly".

    Just because other people do does not necessarily stipulate I MUST have it too...

    #34 3 years ago
    Quoted from mmr61184:

    Most of the playfield remakes have less than desirable clear jobs is what I am getting at.

    I've got that but what I'm saying is for less than what people are valuing this at you could buy a Mirco PF and have Ron clear it for several hundred less. This will probably be a $900 shipped playfield by Mirco. Send it to Ron and pay the higher side of his rate at $700 and you are still less than the low end of the $1800-$2200 that was quoted.

    That is why I said, you'd need to find someone that wants NOS vs Repo.

    If this was a FS thread I'd keep my mouth shut but since this was a thread asking for feedback on value. Knowing the following makes it hard for me to agree on some of the values being proposed:
    - a repo is coming
    - Not everyone wants/needs the extra perfect CC jobs
    - you could get your repo cleared by Ron and it would be cheaper
    - The Mirco PF's are coming will pretty good clears now. Not to the level of Ron but will satisfy most of the non super high end restorer population. That population would prefer a restored original/NOS anyways

    All you can do is place it for sale for what you are willing to take. If it sells, great. If not, then you know the market.

    #35 3 years ago
    Quoted from robotron911:

    Probably because you’ve never seen his work in person

    I think we all agree his work is super top-notch, doesn't mean peeps want to pay a ton for it whether it's worth it or not.

    Quoted from mmr61184:This is what makes it so hard to sell. I don’t think I can

    Easy to close the thread

    #36 3 years ago
    Quoted from 85vett:

    I've got that but what I'm saying is for less than what people are valuing this at you could buy a Mirco PF and have Ron clear it for several hundred less. This will probably be a $900 shipped playfield by Mirco. Send it to Ron and pay the higher side of his rate at $700 and you are still less than the low end of the $1800-$2200 that was quoted.
    That is why I said, you'd need to find someone that wants NOS vs Repo.
    If this was a FS thread I'd keep my mouth shut but since this was a thread asking for feedback on value. Knowing the following makes it hard for me to agree on some of the values being proposed:
    - a repo is coming
    - Not everyone wants/needs the extra perfect CC jobs
    - you could get your repo cleared by Ron and it would be cheaper
    - The Mirco PF's are coming will pretty good clears now. Not to the level of Ron but will satisfy most of the non super high end restorer population. That population would prefer a restored original/NOS anyways
    All you can do is place it for sale for what you are willing to take. If it sells, great. If not, then you know the market.

    This is exactly what I was looking for that kind of feedback, that comparison is apples to apples. One that is stock cleared definitely not. Its like anything else the people that want the top quality work will pay for it I was just trying to get an idea since I would be considering using it to fund something else i am looking to buy. Thank you for the advice

    #37 3 years ago

    For me, and I'm sure maybe in the minority, but I'd pay $1800 for original restored playfield by Ron over a new repop redone by him. I prefer original nowadays. I'm seeing more and more issues with new playfields with some pretty nagging issues (Not picking on any of them and very appreciative that they do offer them) that to me it's worth paying a premium for an original one done by Ron.

    #38 3 years ago

    I’m doing a restore for a friend.. still a wip, with a couple of personal add ons..

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    #39 3 years ago

    Looks good, but please remember to mark things like that as Not safe for Work. Having boobs pop up wasn't great. I should have been working anyways but like to check between meetings I marked them for you.

    #40 3 years ago
    Quoted from 85vett:

    Looks good, but please remember to mark things like that as Not safe for Work. Having boobs pop up wasn't great. I should have been working anyways but like to check between meetings I marked them for you.

    Yes, please, I had someone in my cube

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    #41 3 years ago

    Just sent out a brand new ipb playfield to Kruzman for clear I’ll post before and after pics

    -4
    #42 3 years ago

    I believe in giving credit where credit is due and Kruzman is the best hands down, but there's others out there like myself working to be as good!

    I use SM2K (acrylic & resins) apply 12 heavy coats, then block sand it wet flat as glass. One of the hardest 2-part clear coat systems out there, these clear coats do not dimple or seem to have any imperfections after 1,000's of games on my own Party Zone, and on other playfields I've cleared. Reasonably priced at $400 plus return shipping, here's a link...

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/playfield-clear-coat-service-for-pinball-machines

    -2
    #43 3 years ago
    Quoted from gmkalos:

    I use SM2K (acrylic & resins) apply 12 heavy coats, then block sand it wet flat as glass! One of the hardest 2-part clear coat systems out there, my clear jobs do not dimple or have any imperfections after 1,000+ games on my Party Zone, and with other playfields I've cleared. Reasonably priced at $400 plus return shipping, here's a link...
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/playfield-clear-coat-service-for-pinball-machines

    I think your post or advertising in this topic is being done maliciously and is poor taste.
    We are clearly talking about the pricing of a specific playfield that Ron Kruzman worked on.
    Whether or not you do good work or want to compare against someone else this was not where to do it. You can very easily go back to say the Centaur playfield that Ron Kruzman did(plenty of pics on pinside) and make a topic of you VS Kruzman showing lots of pics too please. Looking forward to your topic.
    -Mike

    #44 3 years ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    I think your post or advertising in this topic is being done maliciously and is poor taste.
    We are clearly talking about the pricing of a specific playfield that Ron Kruzman worked on.
    Whether or not you do good work or want to compare against someone else this was not where to do it. You can very easily go back to say the Centaur playfield that Ron Kruzman did(plenty of pics on pinside) and make a topic of you VS Kruzman showing lots of pics too please. Looking forward to your topic.
    -Mike

    Dude are you serious...I can post wherever I want there's nothing malicious, I've talked with Kruzman and the Op of this thread many of times about clear coating chill out. Next time maybe don't "think" out loud and especially when you're showing such little class as to try and belittle me dude!

    #45 3 years ago
    Quoted from gmkalos:

    Dude are you serious...I can post wherever I want there's nothing malicious, I've talked with Kruzman and the Op of this thread many of times chill out. Next time maybe don't "think " out loud! lol

    Yes I was serious. If you are going to advertise in a topic that has nothing to do with your work I think you would have already setup a vs topic. If others can do all these machine vs machine then why can't I suggest a clearcoater vs clearcoater? I don't feel I'm out of line.
    -Mike

    #46 3 years ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    Yes I was serious. If you are going to advertise in a topic that has nothing to do with your work I think you would have already setup a vs topic. If others can do all these machine vs machine then why can't I suggest a clearcoater vs clearcoater? I don't feel I'm out of line.
    -Mike

    Dude this is a FREE country I'll gladly chime in and say whatever I'd like to regardless of what you "think" thank you...even if it is a little bit of shameless self promoting. lol

    #47 3 years ago

    I think you missed what I meant on the vs idea but I'll drop it.
    -Mike

    #48 3 years ago

    Good snapshot of current US misunderstandings of “can do” vs “should do”. Also, let’s not forget Pinside is international

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    #49 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    Good snapshot of current US misunderstandings of “can do” vs “should do”. Also, let’s not forget Pinside is international

    "Can do" vs "Should Do" that's what people who "Do Nothing" say IMHO. I'm well aware Pinside is global and unlike some people I don't think I'm better than anybody else or vice versa.

    #50 3 years ago

    I honestly think you are doing more harm than good here. With the attitude you've presented so far I know I would never support you with work as I'd be afraid that if anything went wrong you would go all out crazy on me.

    Your post was ill placed but still informative. Had me interested so the marketing worked. Then the replies came. A simple, "you're probably right" would have gone over a thousand times better from your potential business clientele. Heck, even keeping your mouth shut would have been better.

    And by the way. "Can do" vs "should do" is what people with class think about before opening their mouth or take action. Their is a time and place and you missed both the time to bring up your company and the place.

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