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crap I didnt take pics of the before sanding, and it would be good to show that the clear was so thin you could feel the layers of colors. If it is too cold to get the spray room above 75, I need to get the small amount of black touch up done on that pf.
My job is feast or famine. when the pfs are done I bring them in the main house and put them against the wall in the living room, and I am out of wall room with hopefully 4 more pfs getting completed this week. If my worst problem is no room to lean complete jobs then my world is OK[quoted image]

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So this is pretty funny, at least to me. I live alone out in the country, I dont have kids. I have a sister but I may see her once a year as she lives on the east side of michigan, plus she is newly married, so they are busy. My point is I have no reference for time.
This is concerning the paragon, that I bought from a customer. It was not drilled and dimpled as I was saying in the post above. I said it was about 3 years ago that I cleared it. Well, I have done a lot of nos paragons. I was looking at the back and (I noticed that I hadn't re-glued the inserts which I made policy about 3 years ago I think) I actually signed this one with pencil, so i didnt notice it originally. It says Kruzman 2012! Man, I am getting old!!!

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I saw this in the classifieds. this pf has nothing to do with me. Not my work, not my pf. I actually dont know what a hard top is?
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/148660

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I am trying to think of the rarest NOS pfs I have owned (not what has gone thru here) while I eat lunch.
I had several gottlieb sys 80 pfs from harry williams collection rocky/cubs/amazing spiderman/Qbert
The proto TZ and WCS. I have owned 2 proto's of STTNG
2 taf golds
The speakeasy made of resin, I have is pretty rare.
DE playboy
Hit the deck
DE guns and roses (still have)
DE royal rumble
classic stern viper
pharoah
Strange science and black water100
Charlies angels EM version
These are not the most expensive, but they are the pfs I have never seen before. I have never seen or owned a NOS superman.

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I wanted to mention for a friend/customer that philip baliey in texas has a TAF pf that I cleared for chad some years ago. He has a couple taf pfs, and we cant tell if this one is nos or repro. Anyway he is looking to sell it.
I forget his handle on pinside. I am old.

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I am ready to pull my hair out. I got 15 emails from someone who wanted a spiderman nos pf. he wanted to make sure it was new. he wanted to make sure its was not cleared, but it has a clear. he said he will take it several times. he sent me his address, I sent him mine and the total. I had to explain over several emails that it dosent matter if you send a check or a post office money order. I had to explain what a post office money order is. then he asked if he could send a money order from his bank? fine. again, he will take it. I make out a shipping tag. he didnt send his phone number, I ask and he sends it. Then he writes can he send pay pal he will send an extra 10$, and is it used? before I answer he writes forget it, sorry to waste your time.
I dont have much hair left to be pulling out. 55 years old and an advance degree and this is what I do for a living. I am as dumb as him.

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Mr Guitarded shared a fantastic idea for using the kruzman pf install kit more efficiently.
When my special glue is loaded in the hypo, its much thinner than water, and a couple bad things can happen. It can drip, or the eye will get a little clogged from debris causing it to split or shoot off to the side, like a post-sex urine stream. (we are all adults here)
So he suggested keeping a piece of cardboard on the pf where you are working like a 15 inch "drop cloth" and the other part is, he uses card stock and uses a hole punch to put a hole in the center. He puts this over the hole or area he is going to drip the clear. Rather than just working over open pf. Its sounds so logical, but I never thought of it!
The install kits really help keep the heat and lights on in the winter in the studio.
It cost 100 shipped and comes with 12-15 different diamond bits specially picked out by me, and a stone to clean them when they get clogged up with a clear.
A inexpensive tool for measuring the diameter of screws and drill bits so you can know the size of the screw and use the drill bit that is one size smaller. Plus a glue kit which is an ounce of thinned out super glue, and 6 hypo needles to get the glue where you need it.
If you only used it to remove the clear out of the t nut holes and the pop bumper lug countersinks, you got your money's worth. Its so frustrating getting t nuts thru a bunch of clearcoat, and you have to get the heads of the pop bumper lugs to sit flush with the surface of the clear. Plus if you have the lugs with the jagged collar you want to measure those 2 diameters for pre drill. (the inexpensive measuring tool)

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I like to see mylar pads where balls get dropped on the pf.
For known high wear areas like on a DE GnR axl hole, I used to get this great "removable mylar is what I called it" It was an office supplies product and about 2/3 the thickness of pinball mylar. You could custom make protectors and since it wasnt super glossy, it was very very hard to notice installed.
I hate condoms and I hate mylar. Both are good at their job, but I still hate them.
What I loved about the stuff I used to use, was after 2 years when you are ready to do a serious pf clean, you could pull it off with no adhesive sticking to the pf, and make a new one after cleaning the pf.
The key to really making it "invisible" was keeping in mind your edges. thats the only place that will cause it to be noticed, either from change of sheen or dirt around the edge. so I pull off the plastics and make my edges go under plastics where I could. Otherwise I cut so the edges sat on a key line. Since cause the eye to accept the break or change, the mylar edge, which is very minimal went unnoticed.
I am not talking about regular mylar here but the stuff I used to use and sell, but I couldnt find it any more. I havent looked in a couple years. if you think I should try to carry this again, let me know. I think I sold it for 5 bucks for 3 sheets. Its was cheap enough that the shipping was more than the product, so great to throw in with a pf.

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I have always been a maiden fan. I will own one some day. I still haven't played the premium yet. My buddy ryan bought one new and picked it up at the kalamazoo show. He was kind enough to set it up and let folks play. I didnt know the rules at all and I love it, plus the music!! It would have been a crime if that game didnt look as good as it does. All of the art work has been done over the years. Though they may be fun to play the LZ and rush titles do not draw me at all. My fear is that they will do a pink floyd pin and just make it uninspiring and lame. If they do a pink floyd pin, it better have something very new or cool as hell. Look at the toys on TOTAN. when that game came out, it must have blown minds, the cage ball saves, and the floating ball on the circle thing, plus the beautiful art.
anyway thats my 2 cents.
Also I want to invite anyone to post pics of any pf swaps they are doing, or any new pfs. I would like to see some nos pfs. I am always stressing that I will sell the last one, and they are all gone. should have saved one dummy.

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I am totally unfamiliar with the prices of late model games, but with the demand of games of any title, my guess is godzilla will stay within 1000 of its sale price. I paid 9300 shipped. I dont even know if thats a good price or not.
Unless of course the pin bubble bursts, then all games will be cheap.
There is no way I could afford a 9300$ game. I financed it with zero down!!!!
I have spent years waiting for the prices to go down, and in the meantime, I am not playing and they are not going down. So i really meditated on it, and called upon my white trash roots spirit animal, the river rat, who told me to just charge it and if you walk in front of a bus, oh well!
Its an amazing game, and no use getting the pro, the spinning ramp on the right is a great addition. In my mind its right there with twilight zone, not as good, but its that kind of game (sorry to offend)

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Not sure what it is?

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The way I do it is use the flat bit from my install kit. That removes the clear and the teeth push in with your thumb alone. then when you install it the teeth go down a little further. Those teeth hate clear coat if it is as hard as it should be, it bends them.

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In the depressing winter, when i get bummed, lonely whatever, I get this feeling that I can only describe as wanting to consume. Its been like that all my life, and has a lot to do with my drug/booze addictions, as well as obsessive compulsion. So In my older age, rather than dope, booze and hookers, I consume pfs and ebay goods (mostly coins).
So this week I scored lots of pfs. a month ago, I maxed out one card buying pfs and I said I was done, but I still had another card. Ha ha! jokes on them?
Anyway i got:
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game of thrones
nos space shuttle
a sweet cpr flash gordon
Munsters pro which is beautiful. never played that game, but now I want to!
I swear there is one more, but I cant remember. All the better surprise when it shows up!

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I always have issue on weather or not I should drill them when I drill and dimple. I decide not for 2 reasons. the first is I am not sure they will be the right combo or place on this pf since I am working off a template from another, and they need to be exact.
The other issue is I dont use or like them.
Drilling out that kiss pf that I was totally done with the clear, was no problem at all. I would definitely use the glue after drilling them because of the nature of the pins pushing outward. It's made to want to grab the sides, if it is going to be moved.

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I am usually focused on the back end of the flipper not causing the ball to bounce or stall. A nice smooth straight line off the rails.
sounds like pillow talk.

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More projects
NOS EBD some planking and de lamination
IPB creech
DE BATMAN used but in amazing shape. I have been wanting to restore it for a long time, and I may get to it some day but I am going to make it available if someone wants to buy it.
Populated wild Fyre pf

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Posting some pf porn.
The GnR CE is my new prized possession. Not to brag, but I have nos DE GnR, nos JJP GnR, and NOS JJP GnR CE.
I have still never owned a MM or a AFM game. never really wanted either, but its rare for someone who has owned pins since 1983 to never owned those titles.
The Addams Fam is a mirco repro. I posted it because I like the glitter in the addams fam logo in the center. subtle, yet flash. I dig it
The star roll overs are a job that was dropped off last weekend. I am not sure what happened to them. I am going to call and find out. pretty sure I can make them like they should be
I just got the 007 and pink panther this weekend. I think its the third I have had of both titles this year, and by far the nicest versions.
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As for the install kit, I use the bit that looks like a football the most to remove the clear to predrill. It depends on the pf. Like if it is a mirco and he has the big dimple holes. If it is a pf where the dimple is fully cleared over, I use the big round bit. I use a flat top bit for the t nut depressions.
On some pfs that have the pop-bumper nail/screw lugs, I will use the football, then I predrill and then I will use a big flat bit to get the clear out of the way for the head to counter sit (unless the lug is the type with fins to stop it from turning. you dont want those fins splitting clear).
Dave macy of dmacy on pinside has had a lot of experience with the bits, even more than me. I always use the slow speed on my dremil, but it was his idea to use the cordless drill with some bits.

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Quoted from kruzman:I like to explain the concept of what we want to do, and everybody uses the differently.
Its common to get a pf that has burrs in all of the holes from the cnc bit being dull or going to fast.
Actually the idea for the whole thing came from installing pop bumper nail lugs. I wanted to get them to sit flush with the clear, and I had finned nails. Then I got sick of bending the teeth on t nuts.
Another example is on the totan repro. the holes for the save lane cages on both sides are always full of clear. same with the star roll overs. There is a special bit for stars in every kit.

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Also the diamond bits do wear out eventually, and the glue only last 2 pfs max, so if you ever need parts for your kit, just let me know, I will help ya cheap. if there is one bit you like, and you wish it were more aggressive I may be able to help w that also.

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I should have said, just like populating a pf, there is a lot of skill and experience polishing paint. so if you dont know anything about it, find a detailer, or do plenty of study, and maybe practice on your car.

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absolutely. he will know if it needs to be sanded or if it can be done with compound

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No matter how many I have owned, I still get so excited when I get a NOS pf of an A-title game. I think Twilight zone would be one of the highest of the highs.
It was pretty cool to own that proto type pf with 3 mags a couple years ago, and I have owned probably 4 other NOS TZ.
BUT never one this nice. dam this pf is just beautiful. I cant find the flaw. it may be that there is a knot the size of a nickel under the art, and if you look at an angle you can see it in the reflection, I think that is the flaw.
A super cool client contacted me because he found it, and it was available. I asked him to buy it for me, and we would work it out, with the job I was doing for him. I really appreciate it when folks write or call me when they see a nos pf available that they dont want. I dont have the time to look. Also, I have found that if I look for NOS pfs, I end up buying everything that is for sale, weather it will ever sell or not!
I am not a huge fan of signatures, but surprisingly I like the Youssi scribble. I havent quite figured out the price yet. I am Him and Hawing on weather or not I should keep it in my collection.
With coins, and baseball cards, and other collectables like concert posters, there is a 3rd party company that grades them. The best part about it is then you can see how many there are out there, and in what condition. I have been saying for years, there cant be many out there? Every time one gets installed, there is one less NOS out there. This is the best NOS TZ I have seen or owned. So far.
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That is something I have never seen before. also there is the numbering of the screens in little letters below that usually. It always says 1st, 2nd, then 3, 4, 5....
It has just the 2nd right in the place, but without all of the other.
Coyote is the professor on TZ.
This came from a WPC employee that worked on this title. He owned it since they made it.

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Its half nos and half repro. many have what looks like my clear, and I noticed my crown stamp from pre 2012 on one of them.
There are a couple of nos you may be in to, but only 2 are A title dmd. there are 2 butthamburg repros in there.
I dont think this will be a huge fall off the wagon for you.
I all ready have 3 of them. So if the deal dosent happen because I cant get the $ together it wont kill me.
40% are steve ritchie design
30% lawlar designs
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Its half nos and half repro. many have what looks like my clear, and I noticed my crown stamp from pre 2012 on one of them.
There are a couple of nos you may be in to, but only 2 are A title dmd. there are 2 butthamburg repros in there.
I dont think this will be a huge fall off the wagon for you.
I all ready have 3 of them. So if the deal dosent happen because I cant get the $ together it wont kill me.
40% are steve ritchie design
30% lawlar designs
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That NOS GnR that john has now, is a really special pf to me. It has a really amazing history that I havent told anyone. Its not only one of the best 3 games made, but the pf itself has a personal story, that I cant say about any other.
Very special pf.

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I did a house audit, when I found a couple pfs behind the couch today. Feel free to pass it on. Everything is new or nos unless noted.
Tommy
bally cpr Kiss
diner cpr
Game of thrones
Demo Man nos
DE Guns and Roses cpr
JJP Guns and Roses CE
JJP Guns and roses not CE
Iron maiden premium
road show nos
Elvis
whirlwind screened cpr
TX sector
No Fear
Total nuclear inaliation
NO Good Gophers NOS
No Good Gophers butthamburg repro
Rocky and bullwinkle restored cleared/kruz,man
Safe cracker NOS
Munsters
Earth shaker screened cpr
alice cooper
Dead Pool
Jurassic park stern LE
Jurassic Park stern
Rolling Stones stern LE
rolling Stones bally NOS
charlie and the chocolate factory
Avengers
Bumper Pool
Ted Nugent nos
star wars episode 1 pin 2k
Monte Carlo gottlieb
Nitro ground shaker cpr gold
Space station NOS
Space shuttle NOS
Avitar
Wheel of fortune
Spring Break
Batman Dark Knight
Transformers LE
mario andretti
Seawitch greatsandwich repro
Monopoly
Sharkies shootout restored/cleared kruzman
Houdini
Hobbit
Medusa cpr gold screened
Corvette NOS
Circus Voltaire IPB repro
AC/DC pro
Popeye
Knock out bally nos
spiderman stern
Captn Fantastic nos bally
Hurricane
Iron Man
CSI
Harley Davidson stern
car hop
Black Knight set cpr
The following need a little work so I will take offers to buy as is.
Creature from Black Lagoon IPB area of slight mis-print
Kiss cpr small area of damage to art in center. (sanding)
Eight Ball Delux NOS water damage
Stingray stern
Capcom flipper football
Right now is a really good time to make an offer and save on a pf. I will sell as low as I can to get some cash flow going.

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I have always liked the 3 pinbot games. I am one of the few that likes bride the least of the 3. I really like bride but I like Jack and pin better.
I am surprised people are not more in to comet, cyclone, and hurricane. I would kill for another cyclone. back when it was fresh on route I played a lot of comet. I have never owned hurricane.

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I would not worry with the rails on and there seems to be no extra weight.
My daily life is dealing with plywood warping. It does seem that if I dont make sure, when I stand them against the wall, on top of each other, I have to make sure that both sides of the top, and bottom are in line with the pf I am laying it on. So my point is they love to warp.
Actually I dont have an opinion on this one, since I just dont know.
I am sure there are others like me that get distracted and left their pf on the rack for a season or 2?.
I sure like the way the roticery I showed last week has side support rails. So the whole pf edge is supported all the way around.

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Here are some pics of a proto TZ. It came with just ink. It never even got locked down, so I had to be super careful with this one. I have 2 coats on it now, and its finally flat except just a couple inserts have cracks/holes around them.
After the first coat I have to hand sand with woven, wool style abrasive. The sander would have gone right thru to the ink, and my world would be shit.
After the second coat I used the sander carefully, and got some good results, did some hand sanding on edges.
This hasnt been dimpled, and needs some drilling, as well as touch up on the inserts and the red path on top, but I need to get with cayote, and have him tell me again what the plan is on this one. It may be for wall art, and he just wanted to protect it, since it was very vulnerable, especially over time, and movement.
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He got this from some where else, I think long ago.

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fixing a little de-lamination
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I spend forever sanding. Friday I opened a quart of clear hardener. Its a 4 to 1 mix. I had 4 pfs sanded and prepped, and I laid a coat on all 4 and prepped one pf for the next day. The next day in the morning I prepped another, I forget which, and cleared those 2. Yesterday was balls humid so I packed 4 used pfs in custom boxes,for shipping, they were all different sized including an atari which is 48x25 I think, and spent the second half of the day painting the kiss pf.
I just got home from doctor bs, and I have nothing sanded to clear, and that hardener only has about 2 more days before it starts getting crappy. Tomorrow is suppose to be 95 with 75-80% humidity, so no spraying or sanding tomorrow. the sand dust balls up and clogs the paper.my point is half of that qt of hardner is going to go to waste. I am way better off paying the extra 5 bucks each for the half pints, but for some reason they dont stock enough for me.
The DA sanding is not bad, it just makes cancerous dust, and a lot of it. the hard part that takes the time is sanding over the edges. I dont know for sure but it makes sense that if the clear didnt have something to bite on to, it would easily lift as soon as you got to the glossy part that didnt get sanded as part of the flat surface. So even the dimples have a 2 mm ring around them that dont get touched with the sander. It seems to me if I didnt sand that well, if someone drilled or threaded there, it would easily lift. That I have seen happen on repros.
A couple years ago, 2018, I hired a girl with an art background to help sand and do other things. she sanded at 1/3 my speed, and 20 bucks an hour and quit after 4 days. we had about 30 pfs in the shop at that time and all of them needed sanding. so I did the da sanding and the hand sanding for the last block sand, she did the sanding in between coats, and it wasnt worth it to her. a single mother, on welfare and food stamps and medicaid. Plus I was paying cash.
If I had a helper that just sanded I could double my production. I just cant pay anyone to do it. At least the girl I just talked about sanded well enough that I didnt have to redo the whole thing after she did it. That was the case with my other helper. every job, sanding, painting what ever, it was never up to my quality, even when I would explain this is not good enough. rather than doing it better he got all pissed off. I dont enjoy that part of mgmt, and if I am going to have to do it, I will get a job that I at least get paid better, to hate my work.
For now, I just do it and say... "its better than digging ditches"

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A lot of folks have pfs sent straight to me.
I have a bunch pf jobs in the shop right now that came right from the maker, and they are too fresh to clear. if I clear them too soon, when the wood shrinks the inserts move and the clear is no longer perfectly flat. so its best to Take shipment of it, let it air out. Dont leave it in the box, keep it out of the closet. let it get aired out for 4 months. The longer the better.
Once a pf is cured as much as it is going to get, they will still absorb moisture if stored in a humid place (over 50% rel humidity) wich will cause the grain to swell. I do everything I can to seal them up, but I cant seal them all of the way, especially the insert holes, or any hole. I sand and seal the back, and some clear sprays down in some holes, but not complete at all.
So If I finish a job and it looks perfect, and ship it to you and your basement is humid, or you live in south carolina and the windows are open, the pf will adjust to the new humidity.
The key is changes in humidity cause it to move. I try to keep my house and shop closed up because of the humidity, and that still means about 50-60% rel humidity.
lastly, once a pf is in a game, the game is another layer of sealing it up, from changes in humidity.
changes in humidity makes wood move. Try to avoid that.
I keep my stock of about 100 nos/new pfs in the spare bedroom, and that door and windows are always shut.

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There are 2 IJs here that I waited 3 months after they got here still fresh from mirco, and I have been letting them sit a long time. They are prob ready to join the rest.

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I seriously figured we were going to start a cult around that alien pf. Its the best work I have done to date. well most of the work I didnt do, the fellas at buthamburg did,.... but I made is real shinny and purdy!!!!!

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I was growing 34 plants in my basement. The year of my trial the state voted medicinal (which this was) legal. 2 years later fully legal. My first encounter, and since I have a registered and licenced in my name, pistol in my night stand thats committing a felony with a hand gun. mandatory minimum 2 years! The judge apologized, but...
They seize my accounts and house and rentals. the law is written that even if I can show my income could pay for everything I owned, One dollar of pot money spoils the whole thing. They decide what the bootie was worth (780,000) and you have 21 days to post 10% cash, or its gone. I asked when the auction would be and they said there will not be one, we will keep this stuff to aid in the fight against drugs (dump truck, bobcat, every power tool that has a case, my drum kit, 7 or 9 pins, you get the pic. I ended up buying the compound from them. They had some woman living here when I got out. A dear friend co-signed for it. I had the original and the cop mortgage for a long time, now just one.
I talked to an attorney about getting my felonies expunged since there is a pot store on every corner. He quoted me 10-12 grand. I said F it. I am not loosing another dollar to the system. After it was done I had probation for 2 more years,(which cost a lot of money and meant I had to call a cab constantly for the 20 mile each way trip since they took my drivers license for 1 year,(I was in my living room when I got busted. They take you license and every other thing they can do because they have you over a barrel.) . and I had to have a job for probation/parole, so me and my 2 degrees rode a bicycle to subway. I tried to get food stamps when I worked at subway and they said, "you have a drug conviction, you cant get any kind of welfare".
The law was changed a while ago and now I can vote.
When I was in college I got caught with a fake license and got a misdemeanor for that , so growing plus fake id+ public enemy. mandatory minimums are a trip. Made by populist crooked butt-sucking politicians, with no law degrees.
It really messed me up mentally. I think its why I cant save money, and I piss it away the sec I get it now. I used to be a big saver. Since, I have not even J walked, and I will never stand before a judge again. Its like an 80% recidivism rate. How could anyone go thru that twice? I would blow my brains all over the place before I went thru that again.... but I am not allowed to buy or own a gun

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I added a poll at the top of the page or thread about the choice between NOS and repro pfs when doing a game restoration. It will help. I know there are people who dont want repros at all, and people that will pay for nos even if it is more. I just dont know if it is a small percentage or if it is most.
I dont buy too many repros since I dont get a discount, and once I pay shipping, you cant buy it cheaper from the maker.
But when I do, it takes the gamble out of buying a repro and the star inserts are totally clogged, or the print is bad. I always describe the flaws in a pf before I talk about the good stuff, since people assume the good stuff.
Plus I like to have nos pfs because they are so cool since they are from the original making of the game. There are only so many, and every day they become more and more rare. So that is one of the reasons I will but a nos pf that is a title that is not popular.
One of the reasons why, is an amazing restored game is awesome no matter the title. For example I bought a gottlieb Dragon SS (game). I had never wanted it, or played it. When I saw it has a nos pf installed and a nos back glass, and new plastics, I saw it as a new game. so I bought it no regrets.
BUT nos stuff cost a lot more, mostly because it needs to be cleared, inserts painted and glued, and any damage repaired.
So if you have restored a game, or plan to some day, please take that poll. also if you have an opinion that you feel strong about and think it will add to the convo please feel free to post it here.

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That creech still looks amazing. one of the prettiest pfs, for sure.

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Whoever did the original art for that title is awesome!!!!