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I wanted to document this NOS hulk to compare when complete. its going to be a lot of work. I believe I can make it look very good.my only serious concern is matching that fluorescent green. When you do fluorescents, you cant multi coat (they get darker not richer).
This is going to be a full restoration. I do want to do this job though. I dont have the game any more, and I dont want to drive up the price, but its an awesome game, with amazing art work. Adding a pasquel board replacement is a must, adding a skill shot! I never talked to the guy but the quality and engineering on his boards is way above the others (in my opinion). Talk about someone who has saved so many games! sys and sys 80 boards are not easy to replace. Someday I will write him and tell him how much I like his work.
so far I have glued the inserts, I used the glue kit and needle to inject some glue in the areas where the paint was crackling up and lifting. The stuff that will fall off by rubbing across it cant be saved, but when I inject some clear in the cracks it flows and wicks quickly up thru the cracks locking down the small peices and getting under them. So up in the top lanes where there is the paint damage, that has all been glued down so it wont keep coming off. This is going to be a lot of work.
I also have a 007, lady luck, solar ride, and solar fire. all nos jobs, and all ranging from quite a bit of work to a buttload!
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I dont know how old this is, but I hope its old enough that its done with what its doing. The top laminate had lost of cracks, and splits in it. When this happens, and the split is big enough the edges on both sides of the split will lift up. If I sand, I will take off the lifted edges of the split. Then I am "in the shit" so I hand sanded and made sure to only and up and down with the grain of the splits.
This summer a friend was making some pfs, and this happened, and he was totally bummed, and felt they shouldnt be sold.
This happens either from the quality of the top laminate, or not sealing your top wood before screening and the moisture of the ink causes the wood to expand, and since its glued it finds the week spot and lifts there.
So if this pf was installed as is, it would wear badly, very fast!
So I need to use a super fast drying clear on the first coat to get this sealed. if the moisture had a chance to soak in to the edges of the wood, it will cause more cracks.
20230227_133829 (resized).jpgHere are some before pics where I tried to get the cracks to show in the light.
This is the worst example I have dealt with (of this issue). Often it is the seam from 2 pieces of laminate butted together. If that procedure is not done by a skilled craftsman when they are making the plywood, you will end up with a gap or a pucker after the wood cures, and contracts, or liquids ink makes it expand.
I think its also caused from not having a good adhesion. This could be from not letting the glue tack the right amount first or not spreading the glue evenly. All are possibilities
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Not sure what it is?
Quoted from kruzman:Not sure what it is?
Bryan has one but thought maybe somebody else on here may have known, Jim sent him one before he got out of the business. It makes cranking the t-nuts into the playfield much easier and minimizes the risk of cracking the clear. I know you can do it with a few fender washers and felt padding but this one has a bearing attached that makes it even better from what I am told
The way I do it is use the flat bit from my install kit. That removes the clear and the teeth push in with your thumb alone. then when you install it the teeth go down a little further. Those teeth hate clear coat if it is as hard as it should be, it bends them.
Quoted from kruzman:The way I do it is use the flat bit from my install kit. That removes the clear and the teeth push in with your thumb alone. then when you install it the teeth go down a little further. Those teeth hate clear coat if it is as hard as it should be, it bends them.
I definitely knew to remove the clear, i was not aware that the teeth will bite into the wood without some pressure. Some people use a hammer, actaully Bryan said he used to use one until he got his hands on Jim's tool (see what I did there)
MMR: I made one following Jim’s recommendation. It pretty easy to make. I used a bearing from one of the many failed cheap tumblers I bought. Some washers and some 6 and 8-32 screws and you’re set.
Quoted from dmacy:MMR: I made one following Jim’s recommendation. It pretty easy to make. I used a bearing from one of the many failed cheap tumblers I bought. Some washers and some 6 and 8-32 screws and you’re set.
What does the bearing actually do to make it easier than just a bunch of washers.
Quoted from mmr61184:What does the bearing actually do to make it easier than just a bunch of washers.
Just smoother and I had the bearing. I’m anal as my car show friends can attest but the washers would be fine.
Quoted from dmacy:Just smoother and I had the bearing. I’m anal as my car show friends can attest but the washers would be fine.
Got it, I tend to be a pain in the ass about it too so I know where your coming from
Finally getting around to doing my first playfield swap which I have wanted to do for years. Ron did a couple of playfield restorations for me - an AFM and MM. Just used Ron's kit for the first time on the AFM board, the flat bit made it easy to remove the clear on the T-nuts. I will use Ron's kit on the MM tomorrow. I saw a video showing how to use a C-clamp to put in the T-nuts rather than use a hammer - that is the method I will try first. Will report back when done (with some pics).
Quoted from kruzman:Adding a pasquel board replacement is a must, adding a skill shot! I never talked to the guy but the quality and engineering on his boards is way above the others (in my opinion). Talk about someone who has saved so many games! sys and sys 80 boards are not easy to replace. Someday I will write him and tell him how much I like his work.
I picked up a Totem machine a couple of weeks back that had a Pascal board and totally hacked up connectors in it (like, cut into pieces and hot glued back together to make the right size). I was having an issue with the game that I just couldn't understand so I sent Pascal an email. Within hours he returned my message with things to try, asking questions, asking for pictures, the whole 9. After a couple back and forth messages, he found the issue and it was not related to the board. I offered to compensate him for his time since it wasn't his issue, he refused, and and said he was just happy the game was working again. Total stand-up guy there, and if I ever need a Gottlieb board, he's the man for sure, can't recommend him enough.
Can't wait to see work on the Bond playfield 
Quoted from kruzman:Adding a pasquel board replacement is a must, adding a skill shot
Anyone ever used one of his boards for a Black Hole? I'm putting together one, and that sounds a lot better than finding original boards and hoping they work well.
Quoted from RCA1:Man, that art is sweet. Even if the surface isn't.
I totally agree, I love the art. I hadnt ever seen one, and restoring the classic sterns is very cool.
I dont think he did one, but that art would lend its self to a cool back glass. I love pinup style women
Quoted from splickety_lit:Anyone ever used one of his boards for a Black Hole? I'm putting together one, and that sounds a lot better than finding original boards and hoping they work well.
I have not, but i restored a Black Hole, and a cleared pf and rebuilt coil assemblies made that game play as fast as a regular size pf, but on the wide scale. It was a brutal game and I loved it. Its gone, but I bought another to restore from a friend up in holland. Hopefully I will get the time and focus to get to it.
I want to express my anxiety and anger when I used a hammer to set t nuts when my pf was on the roticery. What a stupid move I made. Its so much better to have the pf on the bench with a chunk of 2x4 under the spot where you are going to hit to absorb the energy, rather than it going to the places where the pf was clamped on to the roticery.
I forgot which pf it was, but a couple weeks ago I set some t nuts with the dremmil to remove the clear and my thumb. I may have a strong/hard thumb or the wood may have been soft.
I dont know if anyone would try, but never never think you can set a t nut with a hammer alone. I am pretty sure I did it once in the past. It cant be done without damage.
Quoted from kruzman:I have not, but i restored a Black Hole, and a cleared pf and rebuilt coil assemblies made that game play as fast as a regular size pf, but on the wide scale. It was a brutal game and I loved it. Its gone, but I bought another to restore from a friend up in holland. Hopefully I will get the time and focus to get to it.
I want to express my anxiety and anger when I used a hammer to set t nuts when my pf was on the roticery. What a stupid move I made. Its so much better to have the pf on the bench with a chunk of 2x4 under the spot where you are going to hit to absorb the energy, rather than it going to the places where the pf was clamped on to the roticery.
I forgot which pf it was, but a couple weeks ago I set some t nuts with the dremmil to remove the clear and my thumb. I may have a strong/hard thumb or the wood may have been soft.
I dont know if anyone would try, but never never think you can set a t nut with a hammer alone. I am pretty sure I did it once in the past. It cant be done without damage.
I use a ball peen hammer and just enough to get it set, no more, unless of course the screw is too short.
we are suppose to get 6-10 inches of frozen rain and snow today, so I fear the power may be out for a week again.
Last night I polished out: 9 Ball
Quicksilver
So right now I am going to put on a lou reed record, and run a cloth thru all of the holes, large and small on those 2 pfs.
I got the CPR TOTAN almost fully block sanded. I still have to do 2000 and 3000, and it will get polished and finished in the next few days.
I dont know if the owners keep an eye on this thread to possibly see their pf. I will get pics of the 9 ball and QS hopefully today.
So if you are the owner of one of those 3 pfs, drop me a line and we will finish up the paper work so I can get them shipped asap.
Ron: "walk on the side"... I listened to that Lou Reed for about a year, without paying attention to the lyrics. Then a guy in the dorm asked me if I was gay? WTF? He went on to describe "shaved his legs, then he was a she, say hey babe, take a walk on the wild side". Then he told me about the Kinks Lola song. Wow. I still listen to both, I enjoy the music. Crack the Sky did a similar song called "She's a Dancer".
Hoping you stay warm and don't loose power.
Cheers,
Chris
Yep Ol lou is an interesting cat. or was one. This album is New york. back in 88 it was one of my fav albums. I remember that and keith richards solo album were about all I listened to until nothing's shocking came out from J's addiction. At the time i had a yamaha r9 with those cerwin vegas with the 15 in woofers. I was very loud in the off campus housing (plus a drum kit and I kept my motorcycle in the living room, by driving it thru the sliding glass door, and would get ripped and start it up)
This quicksilver and 9 ball both came out perfect. I cant find a flaw or anything I dont like. super happy with how that came out the QS needed the top 2 roll overs key lined and a 3/8 in hole drilled. The 9 ball was fine. Both only got one coat of poly rolled on the back, but I am not taking any chances messing around with them
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I just cant afford a generac.I will start saving, but it will be a couple years. this blows
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Power came on at 10 ish this morning. Its 2 and I am still not to work yet.
I got a late b day present from a friend who lives in hawaii. I love that coffee so much. The beans are small and look crappy, but its the best. called peaberry.
pics are thru the windows
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Quoted from kruzman:Yep Ol lou is an interesting cat. or was one. This album is New york. back in 88 it was one of my fav albums. I remember that and keith richards solo album were about all I listened to until nothing's shocking came out from J's addiction. At the time i had a yamaha r9 with those cerwin vegas with the 15 in woofers. I was very loud in the off campus housing (plus a drum kit and I kept my motorcycle in the living room, by driving it thru the sliding glass door, and would get ripped and start it up)
This quicksilver and 9 ball both came out perfect. I cant find a flaw or anything I dont like. super happy with how that came out the QS needed the top 2 roll overs key lined and a 3/8 in hole drilled. The 9 ball was fine. Both only got one coat of poly rolled on the back, but I am not taking any chances messing around with them
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F*ck, I love the green on that field..
Quoted from kruzman:Power came on at 10 ish this morning. Its 2 and I am still not to work yet.
I got a late b day present from a friend who lives in hawaii. I love that coffee so much. The beans are small and look crappy, but its the best. called peaberry.
pics are thru the windows
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My kids got a kick out of these pictures… they’ve never seen snow.
Quoted from kruzman:Yep Ol lou is an interesting cat. or was one. This album is New york. back in 88 it was one of my fav albums.
New York was an epic record for me for a long time. Every track is great IMHO. Very of it’s time.
Quoted from TheShadowsNose:New York was an epic record for me for a long time. Every track is great IMHO. Very of it’s time.
I hadnt listened to it since about 91, and like you said, every song fits perfect. Its a concept album for sure and listening as an old man who didnt have kids, its an amazing work of a man thinking about his coming first kid. The first time I put the new album on, I knew all of the words to endless cycle, and forgot that is where they come from.
The line "The drugs in his veins only cause him to spit
at the face looking back in the mirror" has haunted me since the album came out.
My best friend Matt saw the tour at cranbrook in detroit, and says now, it was the best show he has ever seen. Lou played the new york album in order, then went thru his other stuff. I love when bands do that (if they have an album where every song is high art)
Quoted from kruzman:I hadnt listened to it since about 91, and like you said, every song fits perfect. Its a concept album for sure and listening as an old man who didnt have kids, its an amazing work of a man thinking about his coming first kid. The first time I put the new album on, I knew all of the words to endless cycle, and forgot that is where they come from.
The line "The drugs in his veins only cause him to spit
at the face looking back in the mirror" has haunted me since the album came out.
My best friend Matt saw the tour at cranbrook in detroit, and says now, it was the best show he has ever seen. Lou played the new york album in order, then went thru his other stuff. I love when bands do that (if they have an album where every song is high art)
I remember there was a concert video of that tour that was incredible. I saw him on The Raven tour, I think, and it was pretty rough. Years later he sat behind me at a movie in the village and talked through the whole thing. It was hard to have him humanized, but he was my total hero for a long time, and the best of his stuff is still pretty transcendent.
Just a news flash for whats going on in the shop
There are 4 pfs I have block sanded, and almost ready to polish out. I am putting a final coat of poly on the back today.
TOTAN cpr finally
Space Invaders cpr filally
centaur cpr finally
KISS cpr and a little before I expected.
So if you belong to one of them feel free to contact me and we can get the Invoice done, so it can be shipped when I finish. They are all ready to install as soon as they get home. Except for SI, they got their last coat on 2/5.
SI got an extra 2 coats on 2/14.
I will post pics when done 
So I just finished running a cloth thru all of the holes in the TOTAN pf I just finished. Now I take it back to the studio, and put a coat of polish on it, and a decal, and get it wrapped.
I have to post the pics of the fat assed cat, Ruben. If you dont know him you think that he is the nice and friendly one, but now that I have had him and his brother since october (I think) I realize max (the black one) is the shy one like I thought before, but he is also the super cat. He will go for walks and hang out in the shop even if I dont have food. With ruben, its just food, and screw you.
So these pics are ruben doing his "make luv to the camera for food act"
Also a custom made crate to ship 2 cleared, classic stern repro pfs to the United Kingdom. I built it from parts I swiped from crates shipped here from wade krausse My usual crates are 48x23x3. When shipping overseas I use USPS, and there is a problem because the people that work there cant lift my crates with 2 pfs in it. not even close. so not only was I able to shave off 3 inches from the height I used 1/8"underlyment plywood which is the same cost as the usual 3/8 or 7/16 plywood I regularly use. The thin plywood shaved almost an inch off the thickness. The final weight was 32lbs compared to 43-45lbs which is the usual crate weight with 2 pfs. It still cost $220.00 to ship. I also included a prayer that was no additional weight.
I get so many emails about my pfs for sale on the website, and I get all excited because I can make the bills this months, and its someone from austrailia or New zealand who wants to know how much it is to ship a used $200 pf.
The usps changed their max size so that I cant send pfs to australia and more and that leaves Fed ex.
10 years ago, it was between 440-525 to ship a pf in a cardboard box. Things have not got cheaper since then, so I am not going to even try.
There is a market for someone who is savy, to charter a shipping container to Australia like 2 times a year, so you have time to let everyone ship the stuff to you and then pack up the container with parts and games that have sold and then you broker the shipping on the seas. Its would be a great service, and there would be plenty of money to be made, and people who would usually have to pay 500 for a pf to get to them would only pay 200-300 (plus the ship to the container)
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DSCF3540 (resized).JPGDSCF3548 (resized).JPGDSCF3550 (resized).JPGFANTASTIC!!!!! WOW I want to play that one! love the craftsmanship, and the inside of the cab. looks amazing. glad to hear you have it tuned.
That cliffy protector looks awesome. It reminds me of when I do floor tile. when I end at a door way, I use this aluminum trim called scheluter trim (I dont know how to spell it) that puts a stainless finished trim-line, rather than seeing the edges of the tile. it also protects the tile from getting worn at the edge.
I am so proud of how cpr totan came out. this was from their first run, and they were using some goop for the primer/leveler, and it was all running down the sides of the holes. The counter sinks for the save guide that goes to the flippers, as well as the t nuts and pops were just full of very hard material and clear. also there were drips down both the sides of the pf.
Almost every, (possibly every) insert was off center enough to show wood, so they all got painted as well as i could. a couple are not perfect because i couldnt make the key line any thicker!
I will do some before pics. These were all taken after a couple hours of filing out all of the holes. the holes for the cage that comes up and catches the ball on the sides, were about 1/2 obstructed
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so please contact me if you have been waiting for that pf for a while.
Its not often I finish 2 pfs by the same artist in the same week. both of these came out amazeballz. very happy.
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Back in the ol days of pinball when a really nice SI sold for 750 running good, my buddy todd C and I took his SI to pinball at the zoo to sell. It played great, and we set it up and it played horrible. it was all screwed up. couldnt get it to work right. So it didnt sell. When we took it a part to go home, we noticed the ground braid was not hooked up. That was the problem. Live and learn.
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Schluter. https://www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/
Can you tell we just redid our bathroom?
That shower drain is sweet. They didnt have that back when I did tile. Restoring floors tile and wood were my favorite jobs. I had 2 really nice floor sanders, and I would talk people in to borders both in wood and tile. I spent 2 winter months in plya del carmen tiling a friends condo, and I brought home a bunch of the custom painted tiles and tried to splash them in. you cant see my schluter trim, but its between the carpet and tile. this is my basement hi-fi room that is 16 by 36.
Then I had 3 vertebra fused (L3, 4,and 5).
I couldnt do an hour of floor work, and much as I enjoyed it.
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