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KRUZMAN monthly playfield thread

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#2651 4 days ago

That Rolling Stones looks amazing!

I'm still grinding through my personal WCS project, but it's getting close! I'll drop some images here. Excuse the dust on the playfield. Lots of grime left over from hole drilling and clear clearing yet to be tidied up

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#2652 4 days ago

OHHH that looks so nice!!! I just got a proto WCS in here.
I bought a populated WCS pf like 14 years ago, and restored the pf and sold it later. It was like my 3rd resto. I hadnt learned how to fix worn ball holes. Hadnt figured out the best material and process. After the job was done and it was getting installed, it popped off like a capped tooth. I had used bondo. Live and learn.
I held on to those parts just until a guy bought all of my parts last year or possibly 2 years ago n(all for one price). I figured that goal assembly and motor would be valuable, but no one ever needed it.
I have never played soccer in my life but I really like this game as well as the art, and of course those soccer shorts!!! Classy and still a shout out to the pervs!!

#2653 3 days ago

I think its been at least 6 or 7 years since I have seen a catacomb game come up for sale/. Anything with backbox animation is a collectable, but its a great game also!! I have always been in to the classic sterns and sys 80's.

Anyway I finished another job today. I am very happy with it. I have 4 other pf's that are ready to start block sanding, but I examined them and I dont like the final coat on 2 of them. One is the simpsons, which is the sister game to this (same owner). So I am going to sand down the final coat on the 2 I dont like and recoat them hopefully this week and prey I get a better coat. the other is space invaders. Sorry a little more time, but in for a penny in for a pound. You have waited this long, let me get it perfect.

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#2654 2 days ago

When you see a catacomb in person with good lights and a new pf, its just beautiful. I really like that it is heavyin these really cool shades of green, which makes the use of just a splash of another color like blue, red or white stant right out!!
My buddy todd carter had a beauty, and I dont know if he kept it or sold it over the years. I would tell him the same thing I tell dayhuff/chris/tommy, and big paul and the rest of my friends: I got plenty of room over here for free pinball storage. Free climate controlled storage... That's a deal!

#2655 2 days ago

Interesting. I have never seen a CLEAN Catacomb before.. now I'm really damn into it.

#2656 2 days ago

I saw this in the classifieds. this pf has nothing to do with me. Not my work, not my pf. I actually dont know what a hard top is?

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/148660

#2657 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I saw this in the classifieds. this pf has nothing to do with me. Not my work, not my pf. I actually dont know what a hard top is?
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/148660

Don’t be putting people’s names to work if you’re not sure they did it or not. WTF is wrong with people

#2658 2 days ago

It used to piss me off. it doesnt make me happy, but it happens all of the time, and I dont want to go back to being a hard ass. So i just ask nice to pull my name off. I hate to give it free advertising, but maybe if the buyer searches, he will see this post? maybe.

#2659 2 days ago

anyone wanna explain a hard top to me? some kind of overlay?

#2660 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

anyone wanna explain a hard top to me? some kind of overlay?

Yes Ron some kind of a overlay I think u sand the PF flat then install over top

#2661 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

anyone wanna explain a hard top to me? some kind of overlay?

Thin, flexible, hard plastic sheet with the art printed on the bottom.
Sand all the art off the original playfield inserts and stick the hardtop down.

#2662 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I think its been at least 6 or 7 years since I have seen a catacomb game come up for sale/. Anything with backbox animation is a collectable, but its a great game also!! I have always been in to the classic sterns and sys 80's.
Anyway I finished another job today. I am very happy with it. I have 4 other pf's that are ready to start block sanding, but I examined them and I dont like the final coat on 2 of them. One is the simpsons, which is the sister game to this (same owner). So I am going to sand down the final coat on the 2 I dont like and recoat them hopefully this week and prey I get a better coat. the other is space invaders. Sorry a little more time, but in for a penny in for a pound. You have waited this long, let me get it perfect.
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Looks AMAZING! No rush on Simpsons; I trust the process.

#2663 2 days ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Interesting. I have never seen a CLEAN Catacomb before.. now I'm really damn into it.

Lots of white led's and its a really beautiful game. I want one!
(though I say that about most of the planks that go thru here)

#2664 2 days ago

Ron's clearcoat, the original "hard top."

#2665 2 days ago

Ya Ron has his own real hard top clear is way way better

#2666 2 days ago

Once you go Ron, everything else sucks.

#2667 2 days ago

You guys are too kind.

I want to mention that Mike who owns GAP pinball in chicago is looking for a cpr bally rolling stones. I mentioned to him several times I have a nos, but he is looking for cpr, and they are sold out at cpr right now. If you dont know how to get a hold of him, I can help

#2668 2 days ago

I just unboxed this, and its so beautiful, I have to post a pic. It is nos and was cleared by me 4-5 years ago. Its for sale. I havent priced it yet, but I will entertain offers if I can sell it fast. I love this title, but I will never own or afford this game.
I have 2 more to open that I got from chad. (mentioned a page or 2 back)

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#2669 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I just unboxed this, and its so beautiful, I have to post a pic. It is nos and was cleared by me 4-5 years ago. Its for sale. I havent priced it yet, but I will entertain offers if I can sell it fast. I love this title, but I will never own or afford this game.
I have 2 more to open that I got from chad. (mentioned a page or 2 back)
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Holy F. If I wasn't about to head 1200 miles to the west of me, I'd be alllll over this.

#2670 2 days ago
Quoted from dmacy:

Once you go Ron, everything else sucks.

Ron is the only guy that touches my playfields

#2671 2 days ago

I am trying to think of the rarest NOS pfs I have owned (not what has gone thru here) while I eat lunch.
I had several gottlieb sys 80 pfs from harry williams collection rocky/cubs/amazing spiderman/Qbert
The proto TZ and WCS. I have owned 2 proto's of STTNG
2 taf golds
The speakeasy made of resin, I have is pretty rare.
DE playboy
Hit the deck
DE guns and roses (still have)
DE royal rumble
classic stern viper
pharoah
Strange science and black water100
Charlies angels EM version

These are not the most expensive, but they are the pfs I have never seen before. I have never seen or owned a NOS superman.

#2672 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I am trying to think of the rarest NOS pfs I have owned (not what has gone thru here) while I eat lunch.
I had several gottlieb sys 80 pfs from harry williams collection rocky/cubs/amazing spiderman/Qbert
The proto TZ and WCS. I have owned 2 proto's of STTNG
2 taf golds
The speakeasy made of resin, I have is pretty rare.
DE playboy
Hit the deck
DE guns and roses (still have)
DE royal rumble
classic stern viper
pharoah
Strange science and black water100
Charlies angels EM version
These are not the most expensive, but they are the pfs I have never seen before. I have never seen or owned a NOS superman.

What’s the DE GnR selling for

#2673 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

The speakeasy made of resin, I have is pretty rare.

Wait, what is this??

#2674 2 days ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Wait, what is this??

You haven't run into the Bally plastic playfield experiment yet? They look great but the parts all fall off the bottom with use.

#2675 2 days ago
Quoted from mmr61184:

Ron is the only guy that touches my playfields

Hey now!

#2676 2 days ago

"Only Ron can 'Touch Me There' "

- Shit Elvira Said, Vol I.

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#2677 2 days ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I am trying to think of the rarest NOS pfs I have owned…

This is the rarest one I’ve got, and likely heading your way at some point. NoS Devil’s Dare that was cleared. Looks pretty solid For a re-clear, but I will certainly trust it in your good hands for whatever it needs. Next to Catacomb it’s one of my all time faves.

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#2678 2 days ago
Quoted from slochar:

You haven't run into the Bally plastic playfield experiment yet? They look great but the parts all fall off the bottom with use.

I .. have not.

And well then, now I know to stay away. Hah. I actually have some kinda plastic Bingo playfield I got for a project. I've never used it in a game tho!

#2679 1 day ago

That Devils dare is beautiful. IF you ever sell, please let me know. I think when I am dead, people will say 'He sure loved sys 80"

Here are some pics of the resin speakeasy. I am sold on this idea. I have owned it for 10 years, its bounced around the compound with no protection, and its still looks waxed, and NO WARP. I have seen kiss pfs that were made of this stuff. I think it was smart of bally to experiment with this idea. Wood is a volatile commodity, with quality that moves unpredictably.
I have never owned one of these installed in a game, but I dont know if the statement about parts falling off is true. Its sounds like one of those statements like "If you piss on the wheel of a ford it wont start".
But I have never owned one.
I would like to see how they wear. Its a matter of how well the ink is bonded to the board I guess

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#2680 1 day ago

The pics make the inserts look sunk, as well as it looks like wood grain. It has marks that are from the belt sander, which look like the wood grain. The pf is as smooth as a brand new stern.

#2681 1 day ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I have never owned one of these installed in a game, but I dont know if the statement about parts falling off is true.

Ask BigAl56 how it worked out he probably knows. The issue is that the material crumbles/strips and you can't get the screws to stay tight. They did stay vibrant and stable though, if the other issue had worked out it would have become the PF material of choice.

#2682 1 day ago
Quoted from slochar:

Ask BigAl56 how it worked out he probably knows. The issue is that the material crumbles/strips and you can't get the screws to stay tight. They did stay vibrant and stable though, if the other issue had worked out it would have become the PF material of choice.

Its actually surprising that I have never owned a game that had one. I have never owned kiss because it sucks to play, and lets face it kiss music is so bad. No band used sex innuendo till blue in the face like kiss. I was born in 68 so I lived thru it, but even in 6th grade those lyrics were a bummer. I saw them for the animalize tour at cobo, and I think it was one of the few tours that had no make up or pyros or anything. I remember that several days after the show, I could see KISS when I closed my eyes. I think it was burned in to the back of my eyes. It was a horrible show, and to make it worse, my 5.0 was stolen from the parking structure during the show.

I have never owned speakeasy only because I was never in the right place and time. I have always liked it for sure. I like all of the gambling pins it seems.

I will ask dayhuff, I think he has owned more than one of these pfs. What you say sounds logical. If they mass used them, hopefully they would put out a repair kit to use when stripping out a hole.

Way back in the day, I remember a conversation about the german kiss pfs being the resin. We all know the german kiss pf story correct?

Germany came up with a law back in the peak of kiss' career that the music was so bad, their music was not allowed in the country.

#2683 1 day ago

Ok I was kidding.
Bally had to change the kiss logo to use soft SS so that it did not remind those folks of their behavior during the 1932-45.
I actually had a NOS german pf. thats pretty rare also. Back when I first started collecting pfs, kiss pfs were everywhere. You could buy them on ebay for like 250 nos. All of the kiss fans that didnt play pinball had to have one, as well as a BG. Now they have all finally dried up.

#2684 1 day ago
Quoted from kruzman:When you see a catacomb in person with good lights and a new pf, its just beautiful. I really like that it is heavyin these really cool shades of green, which makes the use of just a splash of another color like blue, red or white stant right out!!
My buddy todd carter had a beauty, and I dont know if he kept it or sold it over the years. I would tell him the same thing I tell dayhuff/chris/tommy, and big paul and the rest of my friends: I got plenty of room over here for free pinball storage. Free climate controlled storage... That's a deal!

Sold my Catacomb to Tom Petty about a yrs before he died.

#2685 1 day ago

I just made it a rule in the last 2 years that the t nuts on the obverse have to be removed when I clear a pf. Its half ass and junky to have them all covered in clear, plus it may clog the threads (even though I did it for years before this).
So I removed them on this congo, which is not always easy.
This congo got a twist warp that I couldnt get any result at all from reversing, and using weight and pressure to get it to bend back straight. I even screwed blocks to the floor so they wont move away from the wall and leaned a shipping crate against the bend. Nothing.
So its one of those days. We are getting a big snow storm, so I cant sand or open the doors at all, so I am limited to what I can do, while I wait for the spray room to get warm.

I got a piece of oak, and rip sawed it, to get more length and make some rails for this pf. I installed 6 t nuts, went to the hardware store and got some screws long enough, and was successful in straightening this out. This is the worst example I have dealt with. The bend is in the top 1/3 of the pf. I expect to leave the blocks attached thru the process and till I am done. I will suggest to the owner to leave them as is, until ready to install.
its always something.

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#2686 1 day ago

My mistake black walnut not oak.

#2687 1 day ago

One of these days this thread is going to have perty pictures of my Tron playfield, and I'm excited.

(And patient.)

#2688 1 day ago

I just thought of this today when a guy asked if I give a receipt. Since now I shoot pics of every job that gets done, this is source for proof that your pf was indeed done by me. I think its called prominence? (Documentation of where its been) I know its going to be in a position I didnt want to be found in, like on the toilet, but I am going to die some day. I told the girl at the gas station where I get smokes and a DC every day at noon that if I dont show up for a week, send a cop and a cadaver dog. Sometimes when I am out on the back acre's chopping firewood, I will realize I dont have my phone with me. If you just touch your thigh lightly with a chain saw, accidently, I would think you get about 15-20 secs to turnict, assuming I didnt cut off one of my hands. I have been figuring it may happen some day.
I have noticed that the combo of living alone so long and being single so long, that any convo eventually leads to my death.

#2689 1 day ago

In peripheral Ron news - the IFPA state championship tournaments were held this past weekend. In the course of getting wrecked by a former state champ 4 straight in the first round I lost one of my games on a Quicksilver who's playfield has passed through Ron's shop. Score not withstanding - the game is a thing of absolute beauty.

#2690 1 day ago

Provenance - French word.

Think happy thoughts, Ron. We'll have a sunny day sooner or later.

#2691 1 day ago
Quoted from Beatnik-Filmstar:

In peripheral Ron news - the IFPA state championship tournaments were held this past weekend. In the course of getting wrecked by a former state champ 4 straight in the first round I lost one of my games on a Quicksilver who's playfield has passed through Ron's shop. Score not withstanding - the game is a thing of absolute beauty.

True, true, and true. Maybe Nine Ball needs some Kruzman love as well?

#2692 20 hours ago

Provenance = Documentation of where it’s been.

#2693 20 hours ago

Provenance.
I remember the first time I heard that word. I bought a painting from a woman, and she gave me a folder with the painting that had, basically her and its resume. Come to find out the painting had been in several shows, and it was in the arts and leisure section of a newspaper.
Of course the info is somewhere in one of the closets, and if I die, the painting goes to good will. Until a couple years later on antique roadshow someone brags that they got it for 10 bucks...
Maybe I will find the folder and tape it on the back of the painting. I will put it on a very long to do list.

#2694 20 hours ago
Quoted from Beatnik-Filmstar:

In peripheral Ron news - the IFPA state championship tournaments were held this past weekend. In the course of getting wrecked by a former state champ 4 straight in the first round I lost one of my games on a Quicksilver who's playfield has passed through Ron's shop. Score not withstanding - the game is a thing of absolute beauty.

Very cool! Did it play well? Fast? Did people complain because its not like an uncleared pf? I was a volunteer score keeper at the tourneys at expo for several years. Those guys get PISSED when they loose.
I know what it is like to get my ass handed to me. Luckily I am not competitive at all.

#2695 19 hours ago
Quoted from kruzman:

Very cool! Did it play well? Fast? Did people complain because its not like an uncleared pf? I was a volunteer score keeper at the tourneys at expo for several years. Those guys get PISSED when they loose.
I know what it is like to get my ass handed to me. Luckily I am not competitive at all.

I am not exactly an unbiased party here (ha) but will say this about it: it is an absolute ass-kicker. When you get a hold of a ball, you are king of the world… but if you let your guard down for a moment you will get a power outlane.

Either way, baby, you’re gonna come back for more. I couldn’t be happier with it… so thanks Ron… and kudos to rockwell for the killer job on it!

#2696 19 hours ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I was a volunteer score keeper at the tourneys at expo for several years. Those guys get PISSED when they loose.

That's one of the reasons I don't play in many tourneys anymore. It's supposed to be fun, not something where the loser throws chairs, hits walls, swears at the top of their lungs, complains about machine setup, calls the ifpa president if a ruling doesn't go their way, etc.

The newer players coming up see much more classy about this when they lose.

#2697 19 hours ago
Quoted from slochar:

That's one of the reasons I don't play in many tourneys anymore. It's supposed to be fun, not something where the loser throws chairs, hits walls, swears at the top of their lungs, complains about machine setup, calls the ifpa president if a ruling doesn't go their way, etc.
The newer players coming up see much more classy about this when they lose.

I think there are lots of different personalities playing… and everyone has their own expectations for their play and the outcomes going in. Some handle those unfavorable outcomes better than others for sure. Even so, I think everyone still comes back because they are still having fun… and most of the bad behavior is a bit self-regulating because (most) people realize pretty quickly that they are being an ass and making other people uncomfortable/miserable. And if not, the TD/host/owner can always let them know they’re not welcome if they can’t control that nonsense.

#2698 19 hours ago
Quoted from slochar:

That's one of the reasons I don't play in many tourneys anymore. It's supposed to be fun, not something where the loser throws chairs, hits walls, swears at the top of their lungs, complains about machine setup, calls the ifpa president if a ruling doesn't go their way, etc.
The newer players coming up see much more classy about this when they lose.

I admit, I like playing to have fun. I rarely participate in tourneys for this very specific reason.

I lucked out - where I am now, a lot of the locals here like to have little informal competitions, and everyone has a good time during it. We haven't had a chair thrown, yet!

#2699 18 hours ago

I played in a league for years that had one player who just couldn't handle losing. Slamming the glass etc. He was not remotely enjoyable to be around. But out of the 70ish players he was the only one like that.

Some people are just so hyper competitive that it's annoying, but I respect wanting to win and feeling emotional about it as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

#2700 18 hours ago

I would like to get in a group where we meet at different host's house. Even though I could care less about the score, I need the socialization. I dont think we have any groups around my area. I know one well has a tournament which I guess would be better than nothing.

I realize the prizes are a lot of money, but I never drove home from chicago after keeping score, thinking "Those guys had a lot of fun"
The guys who win, are the ones that win every tournament, and the guys who came close are pissed. The game set up complaints were one thing, but the screaming and jumping up and down. Its worse that when Its my turn at the pool table to try to take the table and the guy I am playing is swinging around his stick like a martial arts sward or tom cruise or some jerk off shit like that. Oh I hate loosing to those guys! I also noticed that some guys where really rough on the games. Those games are owned by someone who DONATED it to be used.
My experience was often ugly.
But I am the type that is constantly studying human behavior. So most prob dont see or notice it.

I am not saying every one acts like this, but if you have never seen it before, its a bit uncomfortable.

Do they have tournaments where the pros are in their own group, and there is a group for regular schmuks? They must, but I bet the pros purse is bigger than the regular.

The smart guys get their kids in to it. There is a kid in mich, well he isnt a kid any more. His dad was an amazing player, and the son became really good. especially when he was in the year or 2 before the cut off age. (I think it was 13). This kid won machines, and lots o money because the competition was really slim. I havent talked to him since covid, but last time I saw him he was driving a vette and was becoming a straight up hustler. I love it.

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