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KRUZMAN monthly playfield thread

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“If you are going to do a pf swap on a game, which option best describes your opinion between a NOS and a repro pf”

  • Only want an nos pf even if the total cost is going to be more 42 votes
    50%
  • reproduction pf 10 votes
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  • which ever is going to be cheaper 32 votes
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#2451 1 year ago
Quoted from Tophervette:

OMG = I am very afraid to mess that beauty up. I will have to take my sweet time drilling each hole. I think I will start on the back side as a practice. Great work RON.

Absolutely take your time. have fun with it (thats taking your sweet time). Its going to look and play amazing.

#2452 1 year ago

If anyone buys a new/nos pf before 9 am tuesday morning, I will throw in a heavy duty ship crate, and an install kit.

Most are listed at pinballplayfieldskruzman.com

Not listed are DE playboy 1500
tommy 1000
Batman 66 900
rocky and bullwinkel 1700
sharkys shootout clearcoated 1500
space shuttle cpr 950
seawitch 950
TNA 750
space station nos (needs a little work) 750 as is.
Prices subject to change when listed on web site.

#2453 1 year ago

Trying to get pf stock organized.
also found a CRP TAF silver from the original screen run. cant find one flaw except a couple little dusties in the clear coat $ 1100

#2454 1 year ago
Quoted from kruzman:

Trying to get pf stock organized.
also found a CRP TAF silver from the original screen run. cant find one flaw except a couple little dusties in the clear coat $ 1100

Who is CRP? Sounds like crap. LOL. I think you meant CPR and TAF is out of stock on there latest June 2022 run with the new printing process, that some of the colors do not match the original. At least on the Dr Who one. https://classicplayfields.com/shop/pinball-playfields/taf/

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#2455 1 year ago

So far 2 of the last 4 pfs I have finished, needed to be cleaned, sanded and reshot, then block sanded and polished again. It puts everything else behind including the pf I am working on.
This Iron Maiden needed to be redone, because I didnt like the final coat a nd you cant see a really small issue until you get to the end of the polishing. If I shipped them just sprayed you would never notice the flaw, but once its block sanded and polished you can notice the smallest flaw.
NOW this pf is perfect. I love it, and the customer was very cool about the extra time it took.

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#2456 1 year ago

I want to thank the best sister in the world for lending me the money for this. Kristine Hood, you do rock!!!
My back hurts too bad to lift it to get the back legs on, which is making me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#2457 1 year ago
Quoted from kruzman:

I want to thank the best sister in the world for lending me the money for this. Kristine Hood, you do rock!!!
My back hurts too bad to lift it to get the back legs on, which is making me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’m looking at the playboy and world poker tour!

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#2458 1 year ago

In the last 18 months, stargazer, 9 ball, and quicksilver are without a doubt the most popular jobs. It works for me because I love all 3 of those titles and I have never owned one of them. I bought my first pin in 1982-83, and I though I owned almost all of the classic sterns. Nope. I have said it before, but I would love to play this game when it is done, mostly to play with the ball speed, due to stern using big coils, and zero friction resistance on the pf.
In fact this one goes home with a quicksilver I completed about 7 weeks ago.

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#2459 1 year ago

Will the owner of the stargazer and quick silver send me an email with your ship info and phone number please.

#2461 1 year ago

As you will notice the living room has a full wall of anderson window walls, from floor to ceiling, to bring the outside green and river, and all of the wildlife in with you. Its a truly beautiful view.

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#2462 1 year ago
Quoted from kruzman:

As you will notice the living room has a full wall of anderson window walls, from floor to ceiling, to bring the outside green and river, and all of the wildlife in with you. Its a truly beautiful view.
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Nice view ! I’ve done the same with our front room windows but my wife hates it . Go figure

#2463 1 year ago

Also , congrats on Godzilla ! such a great game

#2464 1 year ago

Thanks, the acdc is temp, while my sis goes thru the crap she is going thru. I tell everyone I will baby sit or store your games... no charge.
The godzillia is almost overwhelming. except for the mechanzilla, and dropping the building, I dont know what I am doing. Its surreal when I think about how much money is sitting there. If the past is a forcast of the future, I will prob sell it after I get it paid off in a couple years, and get something like a restored black hole, or something really hard to play, but half the price at least.

#2465 1 year ago

So I mentioned that I am trying a new thing, which is to throw in one at a time, used pf's in to my work load. Restore them and put them on the market. For 2 reasons: to cover pfs that are not reproduced and you cant get NOs, and of course the other it to keep my painting and restoration skills current. I realized that you loose that ability when you dont use it for 6 years.
So I finished the Indy 500 that sold

I still have the Rocky and Bullwinkle which is complete

and the sharkys shootout needs 2 more coats, and block/polish and its done.

I just got the next pf. I paid way too much for it, (400 plus ship)but its a game that often has a lot of wear, and I dont see that often. Last Action Hero. My buddy chris has one, and they are one of those games that the license does nothing for me, (like all marvel, hobbit, and pirates of the Caribbean) but the game is sweet!

#2466 1 year ago

My Dr Who playfield showed up in the crate in perfect condition.
After taking the 20+ screws out of the top of the crate, I lifted the lid. A layer of styrofoam was found next.
The PF was further wrapped and taped with thick wrapping paper.

Unveiled the PF was gorgeous! I could not believe how beautiful it was.

I am carefully dimple drilling and installing Tnuts. I was lucky enough to score an old playfield to make a plexiglass template of both the top and bottom.

I am so pleased with my PF.

#2467 1 year ago

Awesome! You’re going to be really well prepared. The worst part is now any other playfield not touched by Ron isn’t worthy. I consider it right of passage. My non pinball friends stop by to see what I’m working on and they know Ron from what I shared. “Nope you can tell that’s not a Kruzman”!

#2468 1 year ago

Got it today. Just lovely to look at. Thank you so much, Ron. Can’t wait to get a few more done! Playboy is heading your way Friday!!

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#2469 1 year ago

See attached photos of the awesome shipping crate and sandwiched Styrofoam that my beloved PF arrived from Ron @kruzman. The last 3 photos show I have attached the Plexi drilling templates, as guides to adding the dimples and holes that need to be drilled in advance of attaching any hardware. Ron provides the dimple drilling for a fee, But I had an old PF and thought I would give it a try. I even copied all the already drilled holes, open spaces, and where the light shines through plastics, so I would have a good matchup from the old PF to the new. The Red highlights are where the plastics are and open holes. The Blue highlights are where TNUTS already have holes but need cleaning the clear out. The Plexi will even prevent scratches on the top Playfield, while I drill all the dimples in the back of the PF. After all the predrilling, the PF will move over to the PINDOC rotisserie for assembly phase.

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#2470 1 year ago

I also use colors on my template. I make a sticker out of like 5 pieces of tape and I write out the legend. I make notes of which sides are lined up, and where I stand when I drilled the holes, because that will make a slight difference to stand in the same place when drilling the pf.
Also I like to start out with a small drill bit, and work up for the big holes. plus plexi soesnt like to be drilled with wide bits.
I like these Bosch drill bits. I found that I am best off buying bits made in america or germany. a cheap set will be smoked in one job. They break, and dull super fast, if not all ready. The clear dulls them fast.
So use that dremmil on slow speed. I just ordered some more coarse burr bitts for the install kit, and I am going to include a couple of them as well as the regular 120 grit.

If you need new bits, or any other parts of the kit, just get a hold of me and I will hook you up.

I would appreciate if people who use the kit would let me know which bits they preferred, and if it would be good to have that bit be more coarse. I only use the slow speed on my dremmil in this app.

I found another use for the install kit. I had to remove some inserts on a nos high speed and a nos whirlwind. Both titles are notorious for lifted inserts. So I had to pull 5 between the 2 pfs, and on both pf's they were all the long triangles (thing high speed). Anyway after U removed them I use one of the barrel bits from the kit on the insert hole. I put it on top of the lip the insert rests on, used a coarse bit and that removed the glue. when I use an exacto for this job, I often cut and chip the pf edges around the hole, and thats no good.

Since both of those pfs are over 35 years, I also have a procedure to epoxy the inserts from behind to lock them down for the next 30 years.

#2471 1 year ago

So with your template taped to your pf like that, I suggest using the dremmil before predrilling, and you wont be able to dremmil with the template on, so I would dimple everything with a small bit, then remove the template and dremmil off the clear to the size you will need them drill. It will look much cleaner to dremmil the clear away before drilling in to it.

Many people dont like installing my clear because when you do more thickness than a production clear, you can have chips or just not really clean holes. Unless you use the dremil and install kit to remove a small spot of clear, then drill.
so it adds time, and pros dont like that, but its one or the other. if you want a surface that is going to stay like glass, it has to be thick enough.

#2472 1 year ago

Thanks for the tips Ron! I have used your install kit with the dremel bits (pine cone and barrel) to clean out the T-nut areas so far (prior to adding Plexi). I have a new expensive sharp drill bit set and have selected a 1/16 bit to start the dimple holes down a few mm's into the PF. That is my next step today on the back side. Your other tip was to drill only half the size of the screw, so it would have something to bite into.

Which bit is best to remove clear from the drill areas after the Dimple phase? So many to choose from in your install kit. I see 3 sizes of cones. I guess it depends on what size hole I am removing clear from. I am guessing the ones with little balls are best for use after the cone ones for the larger Coil type screws. patience patience patience. Slowly I step into the void of no return.

#2473 1 year ago
Quoted from Tophervette:

Thanks for the tips Ron! I have used your install kit with the dremel bits (pine cone and barrel) to clean out the T-nut areas so far (prior to adding Plexi). I have a new expensive sharp drill bit set (Animal's Industial Drills) and have selected a 1/16 bit to start the dimple holes down a few mm's into the PF. That is my next step today on the back side. Your other tip was to drill only half the size of the screw, so it would have something to bite into.
Which bit is best to remove clear from the drill areas after the Dimple phase? So many to choose from in your install kit. I see 3 sizes of cones. I guess it depends on what size hole I am removing clear from. I am guessing the ones with little balls are best for use after the cone ones for the larger Coil type screws. patience patience patience. Slowly I step into the void of no return.

#2474 1 year ago

I mostly use the pointed cone bit and then after, i use the flat head barrel to make the hole bigger.

#2475 1 year ago

Well, that did not take long (1 hour) of drilling the dimple holes on both sides of the PF with the Plexi template! I think I got them all. Very few on the top side, which was greatest concern. Next step is to get the holes to the appropriate size for the screw that will be going in the hole. Glad I have a precision caliper to do my measuring. This is getting exciting and fun!

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#2476 1 year ago

I strongly suggest micro fiber towels on my clear coat.

"you're a towel!"

#2477 1 year ago

Ron,

Please let me know if you come across a Champion Pub playfield, looking for a replacement for mine.

Thanks,
Colin

#2478 1 year ago

Will do on the CP pf. There are a lot of nos floating out there. I think the went out of biz while making that title, because there were a lot of extra pfs sold at expo a couple years later. ( a large pallet for 20 bucks each).

#2479 1 year ago

I got a bunch of nos pfs that havent hit the website yet
gottlieb 007 NOS
gottlieb pink panther NOS
gottlieb incredible HULK NOS

Bally Medusa CPR gold repro
Stern Tron NOS
JJP Guns n Roses NOS le

WMS DEMO MAN nos cleared by me

I havent priced them yet or taken pics. Send me an email if interested in any before I have tommy put them up on the website (pinballplayfieldskruzman.com)

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#2480 1 year ago

I know someone has been waiting patiently for this pf to be done. Its as good as it gets. I cant imagine how smooth the play will be on the plank! wowza!
This is one of the few remaining NOS pfs. it wont be long at all before there are no more. This is going to be a game that I doubt will ever be on the for sale market.
enjoy!

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#2481 1 year ago

So here is some amazing news. I have a customer that got spare pfs for all of his games, and had me clear them. He called and said he is interested is selling some, so they get used rather than just sit. Most are nos though some are repros. There are so many I would have to check if you are interested. we havent come up with prices, but that is coming soon. I have been super busy with pf work, but also getting the compound ready for winter, which meant cutting, splitting and stacking 25 face cords of wood, cutting up 6 trees that fell since late summer, and of course the leaves. anyway.. here are some, and I will post more soon. contact me if you have interest. REMEMBER, THESE PFS HAVE ALL BEEN CLEARED BY ME ALL READY between 2-4 years ago.
Simpsons pb party
Breakshot
T3
Fish tales
metallica prem
no good gophers
safecracker
kiss nos
IJ nos
TZ repro
I500
roadshow
champ pub
FH
TAF MB
MM
More coming soon if you are interested in one, say its the NGG, but only if nos, just write me and I will ask, and he will investigate the pf. Most are nos, but its been so long I dont remember. Come to think of it, I cleared for him for like 2 years before he started to consider a repro pf.
I wouldn't be involved if they were going to be priced insane, but this is no fire sale at all. We just want to see some of them installed. Stay tuned for more info.

i WILL SAY IT AGAIN. ALL HAVE BEEN CLEARED BY ME. I am sure I will still get that as the first question.

#2482 1 year ago

Of the pfs I mentioned, I checked on the IJ, safe cracker, road show, champ pub, I 500. all are NOS.
There is no mini pf for the IJ

#2483 1 year ago

Here's a couple of not-great photos from the dungeon (aka my basement), where I am slowly swapping my WCS94 playfield to the Kruzman-coated repro I got back earlier this year. The only regret I had was adding the mantis hole protectors, which I have since removed. I did grind out a little bit of the clear around the inside lip of the holes to make the protectors fit, so now those are left un-cleared. Not a huge deal, I don't think. But wanted to note it. Thanks again, Ron!

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#2484 1 year ago

Nice! Who did repro WCSs?

#2485 1 year ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Nice! Who did repro WCSs?

This one is from CPR. It looks pretty good, though I did have some quality concerns with the skin tone color-matching. I made a post somewhere about it with some comparison images I took, but now I can't recall where. The WCS owners thread, perhaps? Anyway. I actually like the skin tone color of the "mismatch" better, so no real cause for concern there I suppose. Other than that, she looks pretty good. The nice clearcoat helps

#2486 1 year ago
Quoted from rockwell:

This one is from CPR. It looks pretty good, though I did have some quality concerns with the skin tone color-matching. I made a post somewhere about it with some comparison images I took, but now I can't recall where. The WCS owners thread, perhaps? Anyway. I actually like the skin tone color of the "mismatch" better, so no real cause for concern there I suppose. Other than that, she looks pretty good. The nice clearcoat helps

Nice! Didn't know they ran a repro of the game. I have an NOS prototype that Ron will eventually get to do, that I plan on putting in a game.. but it's good to know there are alternatives!

#2487 1 year ago

Interested in the IJ play field. Pm me please. Thanks

#2488 1 year ago

I have had my NOS Bally Doctor Who that Ron cleared PF for a couple weeks and I am slowly closing in on the population.
First was the dimple drilling.
Then the use of the PF install kit of Dremel bits to enlarge holes that clear had filled.
More Drilling to enlarge holes so that screw posts bite into the wood. I used 5 different drill sizes for the different size posts and screws.
I installed the bottom of the PF first.
I had to cut new black side rails that I got from Pinball Life.
Attached is a current picture of the top of the PF population.
Next up are ramps/switches and back rail install.
Awaiting Ron to finish the MPF. That part of the install is a whole other job. (Motor, elevator, 2 coils, 4 lights, etc.)

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#2489 1 year ago
Quoted from Tophervette:

I have had my NOS Bally Doctor Who that Ron cleared PF for a couple weeks and I am slowly closing in on the population.
First was the dimple drilling.
Then the use of the PF install kit of Dremel bits to enlarge holes that clear had filled.
More Drilling to enlarge holes so that screw posts bite into the wood. I used 5 different drill sizes for the different size posts and screws.
I installed the bottom of the PF first.
I had to cut new black side rails that I got from Pinball Life.
Attached is a current picture of the top of the PF population.
Next up are ramps/switches and back rail install.
Awaiting Ron to finish the MPF. That part of the install is a whole other job. (Motor, elevator, 2 coils, 4 lights, etc.)[quoted image]

Ooh, that looks good! Nice job.

#2490 1 year ago

Building a Kruzman Star Gazer for another pinsider. Waiting on rubber kit to arrive and should be able to get playfield done next week. Cabinet not far behind.

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#2491 1 year ago
Quoted from Tophervette:

I have had my NOS Bally Doctor Who that Ron cleared PF for a couple weeks and I am slowly closing in on the population.
First was the dimple drilling.
Then the use of the PF install kit of Dremel bits to enlarge holes that clear had filled.
More Drilling to enlarge holes so that screw posts bite into the wood. I used 5 different drill sizes for the different size posts and screws.
I installed the bottom of the PF first.
I had to cut new black side rails that I got from Pinball Life.
Attached is a current picture of the top of the PF population.
Next up are ramps/switches and back rail install.
Awaiting Ron to finish the MPF. That part of the install is a whole other job. (Motor, elevator, 2 coils, 4 lights, etc.)[quoted image]

I didnt realize you were so far ahead of the game, I still want to do 2 more coats on that mini, but I will keep it in the front.

I see some really high quality installation work. A while back i was looking at a thread that one of the premier restorers writes, and he was installing one of my pfs. No dremmil, no predrill, just crank'n those screws in with the cordless driver. It looked horrible, I mean embarrassing. Of course it was all my fault, and all of the followers were posting, "wow, I wont be using kruzman, he sucks, why is his work so bad, and so many people love it?" That was the last time I ventured outside this thread.

I have a favor to ask. I am having trouble finding some people I have questions for, that have pfs here. Please make sure the title of your pf is the first word in the subject. Remember I am 55, and I got 2 college degrees without using a computer. Graduated in 91 when some people were getting word process programs for their computers, and dot matrix printers.

I am working on a used BSD, will the owner get a hold of me again? also a quick silver.

I got more than 50 emails yesterday on the collection of WPC nos pf, plus my usual 30-40emails, so I am a bit scattered on keeping track of names. I really appreciate it. thank you

#2492 1 year ago

Here is some good news concerning the WPC pfs.
here is the email of the owner. The reason he is going thru me is he knew I wanted my stuff to go to good homes.. Please first mention you are one of my people. I would very much appreciate that.

[email protected]

His name is chad. I can say confidently that there is no chance of a rip off , scam or anything else.
Here is the letter he wrote this morning, when I said there is so much demand that I cant sell these without having them here to answer questions.

"I can send pictures as you need them. You’re welcome to share my email if your listing what’s available for me. My main objective was to make sure the playfields of high interest end up where you like them. Anything received that doesn’t meet a customer’s expectations will be refunded in full plus shipping. Listing them all might be fun to watch, I’ll handle shipping and whatever questions need my attention. "

So go ahead and get a hold of him.

#2493 1 year ago
Quoted from Tsskinne:

Building a Kruzman Star Gazer for another pinsider. Waiting on rubber kit to arrive and should be able to get playfield done next week. Cabinet not far behind.
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Looks great tommy!!! How many stargazers have you done now?

#2494 1 year ago

So I Wonder:

I have always wanted to ask Paul Faris about this so if any of you know him, maybe you could ask.
At christmas 1979 the movie, Alien came out. I was 12. May parents were divorced and every other weekend it was party time at my dads. he loved the movies, and I dont think he ever noticed the rating system. Never once did he say, "maybe this is a little too rich for the kids" (my sister was 10)
So we went to every rated r movie that came out, plus he was one of the first owners of a vcr, so we has that too. I made it thru alien, in the packed theatre, but just barely. I have no idea how my sister did it.

Bally released space invaders about 2 months later in march of 1980. The game has Gieger or geigier inspired artwork, who did the art for the movie, but it is only on the inserts of the pf, that shows any reference to the video game space invaders. In fact its such an easy swap. They could have changed that game from alien to SI on 45 minutes. I have always wanted to know the story. maybe they couldnt get the license, and midway owned space invaders I think.

The pics are a cpr repro that I prepped for its last coat.
This week I prepped every pf here for spray, plus there 3 ready for hand block and polish, and 3 more ready for polish

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#2495 1 year ago

Any Earthshaker playfields looking for a new home ?

#2496 1 year ago
Quoted from transprtr4u:

Any Earthshaker playfields looking for a new home ?

I didnt see one. he is mostly a dmd collector, though he has a FH and kiss

#2497 1 year ago

here is crappy pics of NOS pfs some people may have never seen before.
The art on incred hulk is insane!!! I used to have a hulk lunch box. It was back when the show was on tv, . Every episode ended with this haunting beautiful piano song, and him hitch hiking to a new place.

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#2498 1 year ago

I realized I didnt get around to listing the rest of chads pfs that are for sale. All of them have been cleared by me. besides what I listed previously there is:
Monster bash NOS
Medevil. Madness nos
wiz of oz
walaking dead
ac/dc prem
Attack from mars nos
Lord of the rings
Shadow
monopoly
Pirates of the Caribbean
No good gophers
spiderman
iron man

Here is a copy of what I listed all ready
Simpsons pb party
Breakshot
T3
Fish tales
metallica prem
no good gophers
safecracker
kiss nos
IJ nos
TZ repro
I500
roadshow
champ pub
FH
TAF
MB
MM

Again, not a fire sale, but some titles are very hard to find, and I often get emails looking for them. the sellers name is chad and here is his email again
[email protected]

#2499 1 year ago
Quoted from kruzman:

They could have changed that game from alien to SI on 45 minutes. I have always wanted to know the story.

Good point, but I guess H.R. Giger inspired artwork was a lot more marketable. I’m a Giger (and Aliens) fan, and largely why I chose the game. Per the notes on IPDB.org the artwork on the backglass was deemed an unlicensed copy of the Alien. I’m curious about the details, and if compensation was ever awarded to Giger.

If you like Giger’s art, it is worth watching the documentary “Dark Star - H.R. Giger’s World”. It goes really deep into the stories behind the artist and his art.

The game would have been very different if they stuck to the original art…

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#2500 1 year ago

Wow! is that an original space invaders? when I was in about 5 and 6th grades, I had no issue walking or riding my bike, over 2 miles to the party store that had Space invaders and then asteroids. I think there has only been one time in history, when coin op vid games were making so many quarters that the coins boxes filled to the top and jammed the mech.
I love quarters.
Considering that H.R. Gigers work was part of a popular movie, and sort of a style of Horror, it has by no means lost any of its artistic relevance. It still blows people from new generations away, and brings forth, so much emotion. No aspect of his work seems dated or passé.

I didnt know that they found the BG as copywrite infringement. I would think that would only be when reproducing a particular work, not style or subject. Like in music, you have to steal a chord progression, or lyrics, otherwise every metal artist would be sued by Sabbath.

I only have one book on HR Giger, so I dont know all of his work or even close. So I dont know if bally came too close to copying one of his works or sKetches(which are amazing).

I would just like to read some of the memos or hear the convos to Faris about "we didnt get the licence for alien. Can you make it Space invaders?"

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