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K&Q restore + pics, & thanks to Pinsiders

By 4Max

9 years ago


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#1 9 years ago

I thought I'd share a few pictures of my Kings and Queens. I owned a K&Q 30 years ago in my parents home in UK (with a 2001 - sold them both for 200 quid when I moved abroad!), and so when I saw this on CL about 6 months ago, I could not help myself.

I've only been at this 18 months so, first, let me thanks so many of you for your advice and assistance, including but of course not limited to: Boilerman (so much advice on cab restore plus some free parts), Toro1966 (polishing), DirtFlipper (ring placement), Rufessor (stencils), Pinhead52, EMsInKc, MrArt2U (painting).

Here's a couple before I started - cabinet looked like it has been fire damaged at some point.

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And some of play field

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And the score motor with extras
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The cabinet restore was my first attempt, and there's another (not very exciting) thread with the whole process, but here's the key couple of pics:
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Stripped the play field
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and cleaned it with Pinsiders advice (alcohol, Magic Eraser, Novus 2). You can see it has some wear so I was very careful.
Purchased the new pop caps, rings, flippers and dividers from PBR, but loved how beautiful the metal posts came out from the tumbler (HF $30!).

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New legs, levelers, bolts, coin entry plate plate from PBR

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Switches, etc needed quite a bit of cleaning and adjustment. The old 75 ohm resistors were crusty and not working (took a while for me to figure out), replaced power cable and ran an earth lead to the door (thanks Clay's repair guide for that and so many other tips).

The Queen kick out was not landing in the Jack hole (all the holes are quite worn) so I bought a metal liner from PBR (not original on this machine) but initially it blocked ball dropping in, so I cut in half and just had on the right side of whole - works perfect now every time.

Two areas that I did not attempt: play field restore..just figured I may mess it up and look like a cheap job so I've gone for the "worn look", and the back glass has some flaking. I did think about one from Shay, (I used him for my C/Fantastic glass, which is beautiful) but again, I think the worn look may be ok (or am I just trying to justify not forking over another $300!).

Overall I am pleased with the machine. It, to me, is still one of the most attractive machines from a back glass and play field perspective, and very addictive to play. I love the features, especially the "random" special if you light the clubs.

Thanks again to Pinside - could never have done this to my machine 30 years ago with no internet, schematic or helpful members (mind you, the machine was only 20 years old then, rather than 50 now!)

Hope you enjoy the pics, its rather cathartic writing this post

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#2 9 years ago

That's an awesome accomplishment. Beautiful machine!

#3 9 years ago

Man, the cabinet came out great. Too bad the holes are so worn, it's common on this game. Maybe you'll eventually get the repro playfield and backglass, but have fun with it now; you've done the work. Also, don't know if you know it, but the lockdown bar is not correct. The ones with the end caps are a little tough to come by. I had a "K&Q" with the wide bar on it, but I've since corrected it.
Great work! Enjoy your prize!

#4 9 years ago

Great to see such a seminal EM brought back to life so well.

#5 9 years ago

came out very nice! never would of guessed it was you first one.
doing one tonight myself.

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#6 9 years ago

Great job. Ks&Qs is on my paint queue. Do I do my own Oramask stencil or do I buy the stencil...

#7 9 years ago

If anybody has a seriously trashed pf...I have one that I'll be selling after my WK swap...

#8 9 years ago
Quoted from pinhead52:

If anybody has a seriously trashed pf...I have one that I'll be selling after my WK swap...

Ken - are you saying you also have a seriously trashed playfield you will be selling?

#9 9 years ago
Quoted from MikeO:

Ken - are you saying you also have a seriously trashed playfield you will be selling?

Yes, should have said "if anyone has a seriously trashed pf and needs an upgrade, mine is fair except usual wear around kickouts. I'll be selling it after my swap"

Ken

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#10 8 years ago

RMAX, looks like you acquired new bumper caps for the two top yellow bumpers. Where did you get those? Additionally, did you say you tumbled all the metal playfield parts yourself? Can you confirm you used Krudcutter on the playfield? Can you expand on the grounding issue that you fixed?

Thanks sir. Just getting started on mine.

#11 8 years ago

All you had to see was those huge nuts on the stencil to know that was a boilerman restore

#12 8 years ago

4Max...my apologies for the typo in your handle.

#13 8 years ago

Yep, I bought all the caps (two yellow and three red) from PBR. I tumbled all the metal playfield parts - using my $30 harbor freight tumbler with the usual walnut shells and a squirt of Wizards 11020 Metal Renew Liquid Polish.

I did not use KK on the K&Q, I used Magic Eraser and alcohol, very carefully, then Novus 2 , then finally Johnsons Paste Wax . I was really pleased with the results. But I have used ME before and it can remove the "shine".

But I did use KK on a recent restore (Suspense) and was really pleased with the results, and not just on the playfield. Again care is required, (spray KK onto cloth. not playfield to avoid worsening any planking) but I will start with KK in future given its more forgiving.

Grounding: so these machines did not use the earth/ground wire, and also have 120v running to the door! I took Clay's advice

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and ran the ground wire to the door frame (others do further grounding, such as the side rails). Check those fish papers on the credit, coin and flipper switches!

Feel free to ask any questions and I will try and help!

#14 8 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

All you had to see was those huge nuts on the stencil to know that was a boilerman restore

Boilerman uses nuts, I use stakes!

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#15 8 years ago

And I use old tools, and stuff I find in the fridge ("Dad, where are the sodas? Oh, dad, they are all blue. Daaaaad!")

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#16 8 years ago

Looks really nice 4Max! I have been successful in powering on (had a fried hold relay). Score reels reset to zero, nice. All lamps appear to have power, except those that appear just to be burned out. All coils and scoring lanes appear to be working. What would cause it not to increment the score itself? If i manually trip the one, ten or 100 relays in the backbox, the score reel will increment but not from tripping playfield points. Do I have a bad relay somewhere else? The score motor works as I've seen it rotate. I also believe I have issues with the 0-9 stepper unit. The coil on it fires but the unit just isn't "tight" and doesnt step the wheel properly.

#17 8 years ago

When you trip a rollover can you see if the relays are pulling in? Usually need to clean the contacts on the scoring relays.

As to the 0-9 unit they get alot of abuse. Always need a good cleaning and a light lube. Also the links that engage the toothed wheel will be sloppy with wear. I just fixed a Buckaroo with similar issue, was able to adjust the stops "slightly" to get reliable stepping. Depending on the extent of wear you may need a replacement arm etc.

#18 8 years ago

If the relays dont pull in, are the relays bad or is there something else to look at? Thanks PH. I'll take a look at the 0-9 today and get back.

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