Pretty sure as a dealer you are going to want to protect yourself from chargebacks so might I ask what payment methods you accept?

Issue is multiple people (including myself) asked/vetted the guy beforehand.

Steve even forwarded me to a well known collector that also vouched for him.

This is something people don't get. Many people on HERE on THIS SITE do the same thing because they don't want chargebacks, so in reverse now everyone says go get the games use PayPal regular or credit cards, etc?

Issue is no one wants to get screwed, so even with all the signs I asked many people beforehand.

Now I am out 3 of the games but I didn't spent nearly as much as others did. I will still say if the community people did not vouch for him beforehand I would have never went through with the Zelle transfer. I don't do that unless I know people. Plenty of people with reputable reputations do that.

Guess what, I am a business, and I ask for PayPal FNF and Zelle and Venmo and I have not scammed anyone. The hypocrisy here and victim blaming is astounding. Either the buyer or seller will always have advantage in any situations. It is never "fair" for both unless there is Escrow.

Also people aren't buying these to "flex", are you kidding me?

I bought 3 of the games to put in a public arcade. The irony is a pinside person telling someone that when you already know the same shit and worse comes from rare and classic pinball buyers. lol

Victim blaming/shaming when literally if you were selling something yourselves what payment method would you want? Cash on the glass only (restricted to local) or you will want something to avoid scams as the seller. Venmo/Paypal fnf etc, then what? People go on your past transactions, etc. This wasn't someone out of the blue. Regardless of the dude's attitude he had never been known to be scammy and he had the money to buy and has sold before to people and they got their games. Not sure how hard that was to understand why people did it regardless of what people see as outsiders and they didn't purchase these.

Funny thing is the guy also sold a lot of high end pinball machines and scammed on that as well. So the arcade whiner who went and paid "cash" for his Buck Hunter game can fuck all the way off.

Escrow. Rofl you going to ask Tilt Amusements for fucking escrow? Really? GTFO

Already tried to say this but no one read it.

Many people vouched for the guy, he has spent a lot of money and had sold transactions with people picking up games.

Literally same shit as here when you vet someone.

Are you telling me pictures make the case? Really? I have seen people with crazy amazing pictures scamming for days.

People stood up for this dude and he had no prior issues.

Like I said before, if you have not dealt with someone on pinside before and they want xxx payment either you pass or find out if he was reputable.

Well, this guy was reputable, until he wasn't.

See it is easy to say this was easy to avoid but in reality if people didn't back the dude and the guy didn't name drop people who I even CALLED AND SPOKE TO VOUCHING FOR THE GUY I would not have bought anything.

Still ridiculous people blaming victims here on this shit. You literally all will want a payment method the same way to avoid chargebacks or cash only in person. Not one person here does that for everything.

I spoke to people.who bought and have dealt with him and people local who have been to his place.

Assumption is that most of his good stuff is probably at his house.

He sent 3 things out to two different people yesterday so that is a start.

No sign of arson believe it or not. Fire marshal already confirmed. It is puzzling to be honest.

He did send pics, albeit bad ones and I think a combination of inexperience and incompetence with how to conduct business with the assumption everyone was going to be ok waiting on these was ridiculous.

I don't see how he expected to be able to sell stuff to recover funds when no one has their other stuff...it's mind boggling.

Right now he has sent 3 games. So again, a start

He said STI and Michelle are lying and he is going to sue her and them.

He said he is going to sue me and others for making comments in these forums because he can't sell his wares.

Then he said my games are being shipped Tues but claimed he is going to sue for a million dollars for defamation and I will have to settle for 30K.

I have no refund and no games.

Intent to ship vs shipping are two different things. Everything is just deflection.

Even if he finally sends the stuff it was because of all the warnings on here affecting his business or other business (grow?) that he has.

Some people froze his account, I have no idea who, but because I "said" people are going to sue him he thinks I knew/know who and wants to sue me.

You can't even make this stuff up at this point.

He is at 2+ months and he won't let people get the machines or have them picked up. So I disagree.

the pics he had of games on the truck is a big misfire. So those suddenly were off the truck vs going to sti? He had roof issues that is why they were in there. Not because he was bringing to sti supposedly.