Ritchie or John design and Lyman on code ....if toys are awesome
It have a place and love for it

I'm personally very tired of rock band themes and wish Stern would do an original and unlicensed theme. Oh well.

Do you have a link to this information or is this just an other reliable source they seem to be a lot of them on Pinside.

good call on wishing for this, it will save you a lot of money. i am totally in on the le providing it comes out with incomplete code and has a price increase of at least 5%.

Gary has said time and time again they won't do unlicensed any more.

You need to let it go. Let it go. Don't hold it back anymore.

Another rock band...
I have no interest in the pin.
I will save my money for a future Star Wars or Walking Dead pin.
They must be getting a good deal from rock bands.

Next pin will be Justin Bieber...
Having him commit misdemeanors and smoke weed will be part of the levels.
Make up and break up with Selena Gomez will be the multiball.

Strutter, Nothin' to Lose, Firehouse, Cold Gin, Let Me Know, Deuce, 100,000 Years, Black Diamond. (Kissin' Time-- Yes, we all know that this was an embarrassing mistake.) But those other songs all on one album. I'll stand by my previous statement. I understand that Kiss is not Yes. But Yes is not Kiss either. Yes wouldn't make a great pinball and they're one of my favorite groups of all time. Saw them on their 35th Anniversary Tour in '04 at the Palace of Auburn Hills, 2nd Row. Had the classic line-up (Anderson, Howe, Squire, Wakeman, White). Awesome! Saw Kiss on the reunion at Palace in 1996. Awesome in different way and much more suitable for a pin.

No offence but I hope you are wrong.

Is Kiss even still a band?

Mustang, now Kiss. Feels like we're going backwards.

And MMr and maybe BBBr Please put out another 8 ball deluxe if we keep going back.

Were they ever?
A circus act ,nothing more, entertaining but not much musical talent there .

Well if any older PIN needs a refresh it certainly should be Kiss, they just got into the hall of fame so timing is right.

KISS & AC/DC both 1973.......

We all get to go thru puberty again.

I fear they're going to over do the aging rock bands like they've already done with superheros. Though I'm not interested, it'll probably sell better than average, and I guess that's the bottom line. If AC/DC and MET are indicative, Stern should sell plenty. Congrats to Kiss fans, they get a second pin. Also, by reaching back 30+ years, maybe there's still hope for my dream pin, Scooby Dooby Doo!

I could never get into Kiss, but Ace Frehley's first solo album is one of my favorite records. Give it a chance, even if you hate Kiss but still love classic rock:

Lets get Walking Dead and Game of Thrones through the production line first.....

I definitely won't be buying the new Kiss pin but I agree with PinB that of the four solo albums from the original band members, Ace Frehley's was by far the best and also received the best reviews by most of the music critics. He was the best musician of all of them and Gene Simmons was the least-talented.

But let's be honest here. Without the makeup and gimmicks, Kiss is a mediocre band at best.

They were a marketing sensation and sold millions of albums but without the novelty factor they would have just been another forgotten local band that never made it.

BS!!...........Gene is an amazing song writer and although his ego can get in the way of this, there is no denying his music kicks ass.

Tell Him Dark

Kiss my ass with these old non themes.

Whats next? Willy nelson?

He's a better rock bassist than he is a songwriter. His lines were always perfect. I don't like anything they did after 1974, but the first few records and Alive! and Alive! II remain some of my favorites.

Cool...My long tongue is hanging out of my mouth. It would be touching the floor if I weren't wearing these platform shoes.

Lmfao

Every single theme is going to create love and hate reactions. It's hard for me to ever imagine wanting a KISS pin, the theme is really unappealing to me, I'd be somewhat embarrassed to open my garage and see it. Corny glam rock is a turn off personally. I could handle AC/DC, and Metallic leaned on their older catalog and was okay too, but this is just a personal step too far into the ridiculous. When was the last time KISS was relevant and not an enormous sellout joke?

But you'll never please everyone, so that's fine.

I hope if they really do it that it sells well and Stern is successful, I wouldn't wish ill on them in any way. But part of me kind of wishes this old washed up rock band thing would go away as a pinball theme, so I don't want it to be a roaring success either. Which is petty of me, but still true.

What an a$$!

What an even bigger a$$!

Over 100 million records sold.............You want to know who is not relevant Aurich??? "You my friend!"

What if it turned out to have an awesome layout and killer rules? What if it was so popular, there were half a dozen of them on location within 15 minutes of your house? Would you be alright with that?

The perfect cure for a bad theme is to play it on location. If the game has a bad theme AND weak gameplay, well there's not much you can do about that.

lol, don't take it personally, but to me, this is definition of sell out:

Your On Fire Dark !!!

I hate metal. I'm not even crazy about hard rock, so ACDC was a nonstarter for me. I caved when I heard unanimous love for the gameplay. Now, I like the music. Metallica, not so much. Got rid of it quickly. Kiss--NEVER.

Geezz Man,Thanks never saw that....So dawm funny !

Hey, if it's awesome it's awesome. I find the theme really unappealing, but if it's that great and I ended up loving it I'd be happy to swallow my pride and say "I shat all over this, and it's so good that I'm publicly admitting I was wrong". I really don't care for the music, so that would be a buzzkill no matter what though.

Thing is, I think about this on location and it just feels like a joke to me. Maybe the KISS Army is still strong and rolling and will snap it up as collectors, but as a theme for the general public it just feels incredibly irrelevant. Gene is the guy in makeup slanging Dr. Pepper (see above). You might as well just route the original pin, will probably attract as many nostalgia coin drops as a new one, and it would be a lot cheaper.

Maybe I'm wrong and people love the hell out of KISS still and I'm just not in the know.

Edit: I'm not an Iron Maiden fan, a little too soft in the metal department for my tastes, but they didn't do a soda commercial, they made their own beer. That's how you do it, I can respect that.

I agree completely. Love my ac/dc but , let's move forward here

I hope you kept it long enough to try the latest software.

From a few posts up:

Forget the theme. Hope for good gameplay. Then play it on location or at friend's house. Everyone wins.

At this point, we only have hearsay anyway. Relax.

We are everywhere and no other fan group spends money like us.............And we will forgive you Aurich for your "short sighted" comments if you willingly make us a limited edition alternate Ace Frehley translite......Ha!!! I agree that commercial is pure sell out, that being said, thanks for posting it as it made me laugh. Kiss has never been a deep band. Most of their songs are pretty positive, which is one of the reasons I like them......More about adrenalin and having a good time. If I want dark, lonely and miserable music, I put on my Type O Negative.

I'm on DarkKnight side on KiSS

Your hate for *Beth* has blurred your vision/perpective of their early catalog of work.
Scott

I'm excited. While not a huge KISS fan, it's hard to deny that if you were going to rock concert strictly for the 'show' part of it, KISS would probably near the top of the list. Music, meh, not so much but they've got enough stuff to make a pinball machine entertaining. The reason it works is because when you think about KISS the band you associate partying, girls, fun, glitz, etc with it, which makes it a great theme. I saw Walking Dead and Game of Thrones mentioned above, while I love GoT (seen every episode so far, totally hooked) I'm not sure how good of a pinball machine it will make, it's just not 'fun'...LOTR had light hearted elements to it that made it ok, GoT doesn't really have any...and LOTR is the 'killer' theme for me personally, same genre.

Was at club 82 in LA last night and all the pins get played. Non-pin fanatics don't really care about all the stuff we debate. I would imagine most folks playing casual pinball on location would be fine with a KISS pin. What the collectors think is a bigger deal in terms of sales/appeal.

Yep...I don't care for MEtallica music but love the game.

When I was 10 kiss sounded heavy. By comparison today they sound like a pop rock band. It would have to be a KILLER pin to make me buy it. Elvis is an example. Hate the art. Not a huge fan of Elvis but I do respect what he did. Avoided the pin like the plague. Played it at disney for a solid week last year and I love the pin. Great layout. One of Steve's better pins IMO.

KISS already been done back when, so I dont get it. why not "Beetlejuice" or "PeeWee's Playhouse" as themes if theyre going to reach back a few decades? "Ren and Stimpy" could be fun stuff too. they sure went goofy about huge sellout metallica but I doubt theyed ever consider a megadeth or slayer machine, probably never heard of em.

pinsider Linoleum's pin2K "Haunted Cruise" game is showing a whole lot more thought creativity and originality than "gee lets do another KISS machine".. go for what ya know guys, whats it worth when its only cliches? surprising they didnt pull Van Hagar out of their "hat", "David Lee who?".. if they want metal rock and makeup King Diamond might be a good pinball machine, but nevermind, not cliche enough. SouthPark ok, but not Beavis and Butthead..
enuf rant for now.

You are welcomed to your opinion, but I greatly disagree with your statement. He isn't as consistent as Paul was, but when he made contact, he hit it out of the park. Yeah his ego is miles high, but he has written some of their best material. Have you ever listened to The Elder, Revenge, Psycho Circus, or Creatures of the Night? Some of Gene's best work is on those albums.

Have you heard Ace's solo albums since his 78 record? I'll save you the trouble, besides his 85 album, don't bother.

I hope you kept it long enough to try the latest software.

Sadly, no. I did not. I will have an open slot soon that will be occupied either by a MOP or a FH. Really hoping for a FH, but I have to admit the B/W 90s thing is growing old for me.

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