Toys don't make a game. Case in point, ST.

I thought this game was going to have Paul's upper body!?! What a letdown.

Uh. Very little extra money? The gap between a Kiss Pro and a Standard Hobbit is nearly $4,000. For me at least that's more than a little extra.

Agree.. and after seeing umpteen videos of Smaug MB and Mr. talking Smaug, I think THLE is all ready starting to look a little boring...basically the same overwhelming info on the LCD screen.. impossible to follow during gameplay.. a couple of ramp shots.. and not much to the pop bumper cap area.. slow side to side motion of a wide body game... and another obvious letdown is seeing how often the ball doesn't make it up the ramps..

It is a DMD, but with good dots, call outs, fast action.. and more to come with the floating ball/Paul animation, full function of the Star pf area, and spitting MB.. KISS Premium for about $2000 less than THLE will probably stack up well... we'll see..

I'm in on both right now, but seriously thinking of canceling THLE as Stern cranks out several good games every few years (ST, MET, AC/DC, now likely KISS, GOT? Star Wars next year?).. and the wait continues for THLE....

Maybe YOU'VE been over it 100 times, but this is the first I'd heard of it. Kiss is just an OK band to me so I haven't been watching the launch of this game too closely. It's a non-issue if Spike gets cracked, but otherwise would probably prevent me from owning the game. It's not as bad as Nascar's butchering of Hagar, but it's too noticeable to ignore :/

I played TH at Allentown, was fun but not OMG fun, it was more so-so not the best not the worst.

I'm sure the code will improve but the actual shots were not great.

If it fires out of Gene's mouth back at the flippers, I wonder what that means in terms of playfield wear? It definitely rocks on the coolness factor though.

Is that any worse than a habitrail that drops a ball in the inlane? Serious question.

While I do like the original recordings, I am sure someone will find a way we can get those in there. The key for me is that Stern says here is a game we are making, you can buy it on this date. With others, you have no idea when that date will be. The Hobbit has been in the movies, all 3, and out on dvd. Any correlation with the date of the movies is gone. If Stern makes a Jurassic Park, I can guarantee you it will not be sold 3 years after the movie was made. So, for me, I would rather own a Kiss and GOT or Jaws, or whatever, for the same price as a JJP pin.

Those old KISS recordings are not owned by KISS, they are owned by UMG.

KISS re-recorded their own versions (as did OZZY, Def Leopard, ELO....) so they actually owned the recordings, and could get paid when they are used in movies, streamed online, downloaded from iTunes........

Stern's Spike system was just cracked, so it won't be long until you can put in whatever songs you like.

Here is that album, if you want to hear them:

You're missing that it's a game. That's supposed to be fun. Is it the best game ever invented? Probably not... but it's still a game.

You must be the type that complains at every meal that your steak wasn't as good as the best one you ever ate.

Probably cheaper just to get a Sega Viper Night Drivin' since the layouts are so close.

Umm. What? Okay, it's a game. What is your point? I'm not allowed to have an opinion about the game? There is a big difference between complaining and having a negative opinion.

I don't know what the code will look like, but seeing that the game's set list omits God of Thunder and Firehouse, it looks like they missed a cool opportunity to tie into their live shows.

If you've been to a (or like me, over a dozen) KISS concerts, there are some parts of the "act" you will always remember...
1) Gene dribbling blood and rising prior to God of Thunder

2) Gene breathing fire after Firehouse
Jump to 3:45 -

3) Paul flying out to his mini-stage for Love Gun.

It seems as if they got #3 down, but with the giant Gene head, God of Thunder should have began with a DMD graphic of Gene having the blood emerge from his mouth and the balls dribble out. Firehouse should have a sequence that has balls fire with a DMD graphic of him breathing fire.

Two big live concert tie-ins missed IMHO.

He is saying that some of the best games don't have 50 toys.

And some of the games with the most toys are actually not all that fun.

KISS does not own a recording of God of Thunder or of Firehouse.

I seriously have no idea how you get that from his post, lol. He didn't even use the word toy once.

Regardless, did I say it had to have 50 toys? I only noted that the game shown had no innovative toys much less any mechanical toys beyond pop bumpers. That's disappointing to me (even if it's only the Pro.) I guess the Premium will have more. That's great.

Good point, but the "bass solo" (aka 3 minutes of the same 4 bass notes while Gene spits blood) before God of Thunder technically isn't part of the song, so I guess that could be its own thing.

Not having Firehouse rights is an issue I guess... but Gene breathing fire, regardless of song tie-in, is a moment that's seen in almost all live KISS shows.

Don't buy it.

There are 6981 other pinball titles that may have more of what you need to avoid disappointment.

Yeah, there are 1000000 things that I'd like to see on a KISS game, but I know I can't have most of them.

It's on the translite, so I don't think they forgot about it.

Gave you a thumbs up on the first reply just for "Def Leopard"

Sorry to hear these bands don't own their own music, but regardless of their past licensing deals, I'm only interested in the original tunes I grew up with. Obviously I'm not the only one.... Stern would be best served by not spending *too* much resources protecting Spike...

If they are unavailable to be licensed, then there is nothing Stern can do.

Stern is not going to cancel a project that Gary has been trying to do for a decade, just because he can't license Firehouse.

You are on your own to load in your music choices.

Of course they're not. I'm just sayin... spend their development resources on the playfield and rules, make them really good, don't waste too much effort trying to encrypt the assets, and they'll sell plenty of games

This game will be a winner. It's already 12 times better than WWE.

"They hate us, because the ain't us"!

Let's put this in simple terms. On eBay there are approx 30 WWELE's available, approx 15 TWDLE's available, and only 1 KISSLE, and that one is a Canadian dealer. I think is a hit so far. That should tell the naysayers something.

Game still looks good. I don;t ever get much from a video...need to play it myself.

Not exactly a high bar....

How many WWELE's were listed on eBay before the game even started shipping? Don't distributors usually list them for sale once they have them in inventory? Seems a little early to be making this comparison.

How many Kiss LE's are going to be built? I don't think we've even seen the number announced yet?

600 LE

60 German LE without the Nazi SS backglass.

and 6 Phantom LE

I guess it depends on how fast the ball is moving. Most of the drops to the inline have a stop or swirl to slow down the ball. I guess the launcher mechs from Lights, Camera, Action that lob the ball over the slingshot are similar to the Gene launcher.

So 666 LE's? Cute. What the heck is a "Phantom LE"?

Gene's head. Already more interactive than Smaug. Even on the Pro.

That should be enough toy toy action for ya!

See, everyone was right, KISS is the Devil.

6 phantom LEs are supposedly mixed in with the regular LEs, same as they did with the Mustang March 9th production plates.

Is either one really an interactive toy? Genehead is just a "shell" for a ball lock release and Smaug is an animatronic character.

Actually there were about 25 KISSLE on eBay last week. They are all sold now.

Ya think?

You nailed it.

sweet looking game. might grab a premium after I play one myself.

I always liked ace frehley. best of the solo albums IMHO. Frehley's comet is in my music collection. very talented musician. sucks what gene and paul have done to them cutting them out of royalties. that's the only real negative thing I can say about the pin right now.

Looking forward to playing this! Sorry to say WWE and TWD are shitshows so far....

He will always get his ASCAP/BMI royalties 2x a year, that's the real money.

The record companies don't pay musicians for their back catalogs.....that's why OZZY, Def Lep, ELO, Jefferson Starship and everyone else re-records their hits - so they can get some money for their work.

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kinky

You seriously took the time to review my game reviews (which I still stand by, not a fan of MM or AC/DC) simply so you could try and somehow show my opinion is wrong?

I called it a snooze fest because there are no mechanical toys on the Pro. Period. You're bordering on psychotic to be so irate about one guy's opinion. Give it a rest.

New video up on their Facebook page. Shows under the hood of Gene's head. Very cool!

Once again you're totally full of shit and your little drones are following you with thumbs up. So tell me where I can buy a Kiss Pro at $4K? I'll definitely order one right now.

Secondly, the game looks like a total dog. I'm much rather spend money on something that is good or I'd rather wait. But, I don't expect you to understand that logic.

Yes. "Toy" is used broadly in Pinball.