There aren't even sounds associated with in and Outlane switches.

I love the pin but it honestly feels like it's barely out of beta.

Many were hoping for a Halloween release.

My disappointment will turn to self loathing for getting sucked into buying a beta pin if there isnt a xmas release.

theres always a chance of an Arbor Day update!!

Wait a week or two. If there isn't a "holy shit!" Code drop by mid January, I think you'll start seeing a bunch of lightly used KISS pins on the market.

In the initial 4 months of MET, stern released FIVE Code updates that included meaningful feature/playable enhancements. KISS, at best, has had TWO.

Nobody is bitching that code is incomplete...Buy within 12 months of release and you expect that.

People are bitching about the time between (sorely needed) code releases for KISS.

Sell incomplete products, expect bitchy customers....Blaming the customer is simply a diversion.

<edited>pathetic to have to choose pins based on who is coding but alas, that's where stern has led us.

They should be embarrassed.

I know I am.

I may be confusing you with someone else but haven't you been saying a big update is coming soon? Was that based on 'inside info' or just your 'hope'?

For being the 'oldest and biggest', Stern doesnt always act like it. Not having more rigor around programming process/releases is amateur hour.

But again, shame on us for letting it happen over and over and over again.

To bad many of the 'I just want one pin for my mancave' buyers have NO idea the waters they are wading into when they make that decision. They'd think you were crazy if you explained to them that you have to choose the 'programmer' carefully because stern pins arent complete when you buy them (and if you choose 'poorly' it could be years (or never) that your pin will be 'complete').

For continually buying pins that ship without finalized code.

Their 'company culture' would change immediately if no pins were sold until the code was materially more playable than it usually is out of the gate...

(and yes, I know this would never happen)

Where'd you hear that? Same place you heard a 'big update' was coming before Christmas?

Distributors start ordering fewer pins upfront and sterns shelter goes away.

Dots and rules can be materially improved through...completed code.

Its coming! We have our very best men on the job!

It does look great. It's a beautiful game. It's fun to bang around on but gets pretty repetitive and boring right now IMO

It doesn't even have sounds for outlane drains yet. That's how beta it is.

I've heard a major topper update will hit prior to thanksgiving!!

To be fair...none of the release date rumors you've had turned out true.

Did your source actually say when to expect code?

FWIW, I've had Gene go SDTM maybe 5 times in the life of my KISS...Including during Demon multiball...

so kiss is riding on its name so it doesn't need better code...but GB's cant rely on its name so therefore it needs better code....

huh

Tell us all again about how much of a life you have lol!

This.

GB could ship with beta code and all of that still would have happened. It was literally sold out before it was even officially announced.

If any game needs code to further its sales its games like kiss where the fan base initially buys and then future sales are fueled by casual fans and pinheads drawn to good, fully cooked pinball games.

is that the infiniti with portholes lol?

only if its the midlife crisis model!

(I kid I kid)

That driveway looks very familiar....

Any chance you know kaneda?

People like him come and go. He's was a confused kid trying to convince people his life was in order by showing off his car.

You should see how he singlehandedly messed up the Pepsi perfect promotion.

Oh, and he has a pinball podcast. And owns 1 pin.

Back on topic though, sounding like KISS code won't be out tomorrow but for sure within 8 weeks...lots of rumors coalescing around a <2 month wait.

Just spreading rumors.

That can only happen if its a big rewrite...Not just a polish on existing code. Outside of that I agree with everything you said. Its a work of art with a beautiful light show. I love the shots and features (though the genes head spinner should be reworked into something aggressive instead of a dribble)...