I was out at the pyramid scheme tonight playing kiss and we could not believe how gummed up/dirty the playfield was. It had really bad ball trails in the inlanes and had a ton of black spots all over the playfiled. When we looked at the balls they had black scuff marks all over them like yours. We were trying to figure out what it was from as we couldn't believe how bad a game that was on location for a week looked.
I would try to keep those as clean as possible cause it will get all over your playfield. I wonder what someone could do to prevent this. I wish I would have taken a picture of the game because it really looked like a game on route for over a year without ever being cleaned.

What the heck? I have a Pro on order. This isn't good to hear.

This was a big issue on Tron, which led to the evolution of the clear rubber disc replacement. Maybe a candidate for here as well.

Welcome to the joy of the black spinning disc club, come pull up a chair next to the Tron section.

So they didn't learn from Tron. Trouble is, clear rubber discs tend to shred after a while - just not strong enough. Time for modders to come up with some thing better. Some regularly clean the rubber with alcohol - maybe a possibility but not that easy to get to.

Is it possible to remove the rubber and use something different on the disc?

We played one in location that was starting to do the same thing and had probably less than 20 plays on it. Has anyone said anything to Stern? With their open communication now days, maybe they would attempt a new material on the disc?

Brian

I wish super bands just made a disc. I just spent $30 to get a blue disc and a white disc from pinballcenter.eu to try for my Tron.

But yeah, this seems to be what happens with a black rubber spinning disc. Have some novus and carnuba on hand, maybe wax up the disc some? It'll reduce the throw, but it will also reduce the rate of discoloration of the play field.

With all the materials available in the market today, there must be several good alternatives available to fix the problem.

I've had a Tron since day one and I don't ever remember seeing it as bad as this Kiss was. Maybe that's just me though. My memory sucks!!

Brian

so maybe the rubber must be replaced with silicone

How the hell did Stern not catch this??? It was a huge issue with tron

I predict this will be even worse than tron since that disc shot is always open on Kiss

Not even a week - that was unboxed mid-day Friday.

But yeah, Tron...

Has anybody tried using Plati-Dip spray on the discs? That could seal in the black but also leave the disc with some grip. I believe Harbor freight sells it.

Reset problems on Acdc, then TWD, now Kiss too even in code infancy? The black dust from the spinner is likely excess material from the disc manufacturing process being worn off from ball friction. As others said the dust will go away in time.

Look towards playing the game with more complete code this weekend.

Wow!! That's insane. That game was so filthy and it only took 3 days to get that way! !

If you happen to be back there take a pic and post here, I think people will be shocked at how bad that playfield got

I had to clean my Tron 2-3 times in 3 months, excess was gone .

I'll be there tomorrow night (Melvins!) & Friday (KISS launch party). PS is really good about staying on top of keeping the games in nice shape so I'd be surprised if it stays that way long, but sounds like it'll be a task. From my Tron experience the disk issue became less as it went on, hopefully KISS is the same.

It must be the new disc that Stern is using. I had an early run of the Tron Pro and had no issues at all. I played a Kiss in Minneapolis and the black streaks were real prevalent.

Another issue that may be missed...

THROW THE BALLS THAT COME WITH YOUR STERN GAME AWAY!

Before even playing 1 game with them.

They are garbage, pitted and like sandpaper for your playfield right out of the box.

I Can guarantee that if you put quality pinballs in your new game, that not only will the game play better/faster. But the rubber disc will last longer, transfer less rubber.

The game and balls will collect less dirt. And the playfield will look cleaner longer

The wireform ramps coating will last longer, the plastic ramps will get less scratched.

And also Change out the balls every year if its HUO or sooner if it gets tons of game play.

Anyone post this on sterns fb yet?

Can someone give me a tip on the best place to buy high quality balls? I have a KISS Pro on order and it is supposed to ship next week.

Pinball Life super shiny pinballs are the best I have found.

The balls that come with the new Sterns look like crap, but if you clean them with rubbing alcohol, and then wax them they shine like new PBL balls. They come with some sort of oil or something on them that makes them look bad.

Agreed, it's all I use. Change them out annually when I change the batteries.

Do the Premium & LE models have the spinning disc?
Also 6 balls for Kiss?? Can you a get a 6 ball multiball?

Bump

I hope someone comes up with a fix for this spinning disc problem with getting the playfield and balls so dirty.....

Someone should private message stern on their facebook page. They reply back within 5 minutes they say..

Buy WNBJM instead! ha ha, much better game IMO.

Just asked the? On Facebook I am sure they will answer with their resolution

better use silicone instead of rubber

The one I played had all new aftermarket balls in it and the playfield looks like someone took black rubber to a cheese grater all over the playfield.

I have to say that I am pretty sure the disc has little to do with the black rubber.

We have a game on route and had the launch party yesterday. The game now has a couple hundred plays on it with NO black marking at all.

What is different about our game compared to others? Well, the first thing we always do now before even playing the first game is we remove all the CRAPPY black rubbers that come on the game and install translucent/ clear rubbers from PBL or now from Titan. We do this on the bottom half of the pf at minimum and for sure the flips, slings, and main posts.

We have NO black streaking after many plays so I have to think changing the other rubbers in the game are more important than anything.

As a tron owner I replaced it with the clear disc for two reasons one the black funk and it lost grip really fast. After I 3med the clear on it never shred again. But it's really fast so it might change game play in a bad way. The other theory about the black rubber posts is a good one as well . After 700 plays the funk went way down

It is the disc. Mine looks trashed after the first couple of days

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Regardless of where you buy your balls, make sure to inspect each one before using. When buying standard balls, I've found that ~7 out of 10 have pits.

I bought the Premium Ultra Gloss balls from Pinball Life, only to find that 7 of the 10 had pits on them also. Maybe I just had bad luck, but I was pretty disappointed, considering that I bought them specifically because I was frustrated with the quality of standard balls and had heard so many people lauding the quality of the PBL Ultra Gloss.

The only balls I've found, that I'd consider excellent quality, are the SilverJets. Of course, they're more expensive and can become magnetized, which causes problems feeding from the ball trough. I believe this can be solved with the Anti-Mag Trough Shim though.

did you switch out all the other game rubbers from black to something better?

Ours looks super clean still. Granted you probably already have 3 or 4x the number of plays on yours because we do not have the player based you do, but still that looks really bad.

This is exactly what the one I played yesterday looks like.

Anyone has a list with the rubbers used on kiss? I'd like to order, but don't find it on the site yet.
And for the ones that replaced the rubbers. It looks better with black, white or transparant silicone rubbers?

In support of Vids recommendation of rubber changing, If you take a good rubber cleaner, PBL as an example, to a NIB Stern, like Kiss, I have found it pulled nothing but Black Off, and lots of it.

Perhaps Gene Needs his Rubber Cleaned well before Play?
......along with everything else in Black rubber.

Maybe it will help until replacement rubber, and or disc rubber get made.

I cleaned the disc with rubbing alcohol with 2 towels until they were both black. Other new Stern games(ST, TWD, MET) I have out on location have factory rubber and do not have the black mess all over the PF and balls so I don't think it is the standard PF rubber. I will probably pull the rubber off the disc next time I am there.

No one here that can give me the diameter of the spinning disc?

Come on people, are we seriously going to blame the rubbers, it's the disk.....End of discussion. Now can someone get "gawcol" the measurement he needs to come up with a fix?