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Quoted from finnflash:Thanks, do you know if the piece that goes under the wood rail should be flat?
Mine had a bend in the middle and the hole didn't line up with the screw in the rail.
Funnily enough I had real trouble fitting that so not really sure.
Great news that officially confirmed that KISS is getting a final update
Hopefully it will be a sweet update. And then someone can do a color dmd??
Really hoping for some Champion awards, bug fixes, and a few surprises.
I can be more patient now I know it is coming for sure!
STERN OF THE UNION ADDRESS - OCTOBER 2017
Welcome to the inaugural Stern of the Union Address! This will be a monthly update on the status of all things Stern Pinball, touching on many different topics. Without further ado my fellow pinheads:
Status of Code:
We are continuously working to update and improve software for our machines. There are always code updates and bug fixes in various stages of development; as usual we will release them as soon as possible. Here’s a sneak peek at two games that will have updates coming very soon, as well as status on a few other titles:
- Star Wars with its newest asteroid video mode and intense lightsaber duel!
- Batman ’66 with the new major villain cliffhangers!
- Ghostbusters: As soon as Star Wars is complete, we will be focusing on a final update for Ghostbusters.
- Aerosmith: Aerosmith will also be getting a little more polish.
- KISS: We will be revisiting KISS code very soon to create a final update.
Quoted from konjurer:LEDs and Rubbers... What have you guys guys done for replacing the rubbers and GI LEDs? Can you post pictures?
I'm thinking translucent rubbers. Ice blue for the lower slings & 5 LEDs on the back concert scene. Then red LEDs everywhere else.
Yellow TITANS.
And just bought Cointaker Frosted as they are my favorite LED as not blinding.
Yes, it is only set on 2 seconds which is super frustrating.
I changed mine to 5 so no problems now and Rock City seems ways a way at the moment!
Also had a cliffy in, then a mantis - one of the very few games I had to take both out as shot is just harder with them in. I already had wear as my game came off route but no way am I making the game harder!
Quoted from RipleYYY:a LE was available in the "free zone" of the Belgian championship yesterday, and again, i have lot of pleasure playing this pinball...
i know it may be considered as finished (by STERN), and i'm not, myself, familiar with the code (even if its Lonnie "classic", and in this case a previous version of Aerosmith)
for sure, i still keep an eye on this pinball, and later may be...
It's not finished.
Final update due this Summer which will hopefully make a great game even better.
Quoted from Minneapolispin:Does anyone else have a problem with game being wobbly? KISS Pro is the only game in my collection that I need to re-tighten the leg bolts every 6 months. Otherwise, it gets very wobbly, left-to-right. All my other games (even Metallica Pro) seem so much more stable.
Put these on and that should solve the issue and strengthen the cabinet.
Quoted from Stones:Does that help the new Stern cabinet stop from wabbling a bit? I hate how easy they are to nudge now.
Not sure, but put them in my KISS and it does seem to feel more solid.
I am waiting for final update to see what is added.
After that I may make some adjustments to bring Rock City into the realms of possibility.
Also will change song multipliers to one completed song as multipliers are insanely fun on this game and I never even come close to the colossal bonus.
Quoted from Stones:I dont want to start a debate about Stern, but has anyone had their Kiss cabs split? Im getting a little nervous and ordered the cab support brackets
My KISS cabinet seems way stronger, sturdier than my AS.
Biggest issue with KISS is the decals are terrible.
Quoted from BudManPinFan:It doesn’t sound that loud on mine.
Thanks - will investigate further!
Tried both protectors - just makes the game harder.
Added mylar around hole instead and just accept there will be wear.
More worried about longer term issues with node boards!
Really hope that once the final update is out, the color DMD guys make KISS in color - must buy for me
So, can anybody confirm what the right cable is for KISS?
https://www.pinballlife.com/spike-12-volt-backbox-power-adapter-cable.html
This does NOT work with KISS or WWE.
The link to another cable, connects to board near coin door.
I cannot find a 12V compatible KISS lead....
Anyone??
Thanks
Quoted from MK6PIN:That seems excessive and expensive for this use (imho), as the 12v is all that has to be provided extra. The LE that I'm buying from Steve (HUO) has a 12v molex adapter board mod in the backbox that was added, but I always add an external ps ( stated prior) as I've run into current capacity issues coming off the main 12v.
Anxious to see this "as is" w the SIGMA, and then after the code drop. I'm hooked on colordmd, so will be doing it regardless.
Think I get the machine next week, and can post some pics if wanted after I upfit the machine......
Pics would be great.
And don't forget to get the mod from vireland to eliminate light bleed.
I don't want to fit a 12V wire until I know 100% it is right for KISS. So many say not for KISS and WWE.
Quoted from Dmod:Here is the power cable to which I was referring. It includes a 1A fuse to protect the node board.
https://www.pinballlife.com/spike-12v-power-adapter-53-long.html
The adapter from Mezel Mods will also work. It downconverts from 48V and does not plug into, or risk damage to, the node board. Pinball Life sells a custom board that does the same thing and produces 5V and 12V on the same connector.
Thanks
To clarify, to fit color dmd to KISS, use this cable and plug in by the coin door?
And run it to back of cabinet?
Want to be sure I will be doing the right thing!
Quoted from finnflash:This is what i need to know also, is the $7 one from pinballlife.com all i need? And i assume Kiss and Ghostbusters are the same Spike system?
The leads that work on GB do NOT work on KISS....
But seems this one does although have to plug in front of cab and link to back.
I will buy one of these.
https://www.pinballlife.com/spike-12v-power-adapter-53-long.html
Quoted from Dmod:This cable takes 12V from the node board and outputs it onto the 3-pin molex connector. The 7' ColorDMD SAM/WS power cable plugs into the 3-pin molex and runs back through the cabinet to the backbox.
Just seen your reply - thanks - will buy the 53 inch lead.
Thinking of adding color dmd in anticipation of the full color treatment!
For those who have Sigma version, is this what is needed?
https://www.pinballlife.com/spike-12v-power-adapter-53-long.html
1. The above cable.
2. New plastic display/screen.
3. Hex spacers.
4. LCD display. Any?
5. Gasket
Thanks
Quoted from MK6PIN:Yep....I've got the PBL powerboard, so grabbing my juice there.
I prefer LCD to LED, as there are more choices (HIRES guy).
Installed and ready....Even Sigma in single color looks cool enough to enjoy until they color it...Surely soon...
One of these?
Is this recommended/necessary for just installing LCD?
Just wondering if this is just my game or general issue.
I don't hear any sounds or call outs when balls drain in either outlane?
Thanks, it sounds like they are just occasional then.
Shame, they aren't more often.
Thought this had been addressed in 1.40.
Oh well, game is superb now and think it is done so I guess this won't change.
Quoted from Silkenone:Gene told me I suck this morning. Hope this helps
I heard that one.
Brilliant
Wish there were more programmed as most of the time, it's silence.
Anyone, anywhere got all 15 cities yet?!
Super tough to get all in one game, especially with that 10 shot combo.
Just curious what the reward is for getting 15?
I could remove the glass but I don't want to!
Still loving the gameplay.
One of the reasons is the way multipliers are used and the possible huge super jackpots.
People have been getting them in the multiple billions!
I haven't got a billion sj or rock city or 15 cities so tons of longevity.
And swap a few songs and get crazy nights/made for loving you and it gets even better.
Yours look better than the ones on their webpage!
https://www.tiltgraphicsinc.com/product-page/kiss-flaming-mirrorblades
Quoted from thundergod76:I've been reading up on Color DMD and am still torn between LCD or LED. Did u buy your LCD from Color DMD? Any chance you could post a video of your display in your spare time?
I hope to fit LCD to KISS in next day or two.
LED is really really bright.
I will put my LCD into HI-RES mode as I like the modern look.
Remember with LCD to buy a gasket, and all the other bits.
Quoted from MK6PIN:Yep....I've got the PBL powerboard, so grabbing my juice there.
I prefer LCD to LED, as there are more choices (HIRES guy).
Installed and ready....Even Sigma in single color looks cool enough to enjoy until they color it...Surely soon...
So, to fit color LCD -
I have -
Gasket
Clear display
Mounting standoffs
PBL Spike Power Supply
SAM cables
Do I need anything else as not sure I have the right cables? I think I have everything!
And where do cables go if I have right ones?
Post 73 helpful.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/colordmd-game-80-is-ghostbusters/page/2
And Spike instructions - but not KISS.
https://www.colordmd.com/Assembly%20for%20Instructions%20SPIKE%20CHROMA%20Rev2.PDF
Thanks
But you can put color LCD in now and have a color of chosen in say hi-res mode.
That's what I am trying to do!
Quoted from thundergod76:Did u buy the LCD from ColorDMD?
Yes.
Quoted from joekiss:I bought mine new and the mechanism has never worked right. Stern has sent replacement parts etc. Definite requirement with this game is the long flexible magnet to get the stuck balls out.
It's strange how games differ. I have had various issues with my game but a ball has never ever got stuck in the demon head.
Had locks not register from time to time.
It is a great playing game now but if a game has faults it ruins the experience
I only just learned the Lovegun rules are different on pro/premium.
LE/Premium has a 50 million countdown SJ that can be multiplied 10 or 20 times?
I think pro it's a 20 million collect sj.
Definitely a great feature but hard to collect so I guess that's why it hasn't been talked about much?
Quoted from joekiss:Still terrible. Dont recommend. Im stuck with it as I bought it as a KISS collectible and had it signed. Horrid game play and the Gene STDM every time feature. They changed the code so any time it spits the ball out there is an automatic save but still no excuse for such an awful feature. I would sell at a loss in a heartbeat and buy something else if it wasnt a KISS machine.
Have you ever had a Love Gun super jackpot, multiplied 10x?
The rush is insane!
Huge, huge super jackpots at different points in this game.
Biggest I have heard of so far is around 4 billion!
Anyone thinking of swopping songs.
God of Thunder works brilliantly in place of Hotter than Hell.
Also swapped Love it Loud for Crazy Crazy Nights.
And Black Diamond for I was Made for Loving You.
Don't suppose anyone on planet earth has got all 15 cities in a game yet?
Not expecting a quick answer but here goes!
LG Super Jackpot on LE/Premium.
It's a countdown 50 million.
Possible to get Colossal which is 5 x 50 million.
So, that is a possible 250 million SJ.
Is that maximum possible?
I tested with glass off and using center ramp didn't increase it.
I know that on KA it is possible to get SJ's over a billion but haven't managed that yet.
Anyone tried to put a clear/white rubber on the spinning disc on LE/Premium?
Reason - more spin and no black dirt everywhere!
Just to throw something else out there.
KISS LE has a mirrored backglass - nice but not essential.
It also has foil decals on the LE - very nice.
Decals on pro/premium need to be inspected as many have bubbling in them.
Massive points in KA - in the billions Not for me mind you.... but one day, one day.
Quoted from Sako-TRG:Did the LE have any decal issues do you know of? I can get hold of a German only version with the funny SSs. I’m playing a waiting game. If JJP GnR is a dog I’m buying a NIB German Kiss LE
Not sure.
Decals on KISS pro I had were bad.
Owned both. Sold AS.
Apart from just being pure fun, KISS uses the song multipliers so well.
Get 2x, 3x or 5x, then hit center ramp to double again and there are other multipliers to be earned.
It means no 2 games are the same and you can blow the game up anywhere, but especially Kiss Army.
Getting to Rock City on factory settings is very hard.
Combos are great - never gets old.
Still never had the 10 combo shot.
Still haven't heard of a single person on planet earth who has got all 15 combos in a single game.
Come on all you streamers who like a challenge, show us what you are made of
Being stuck at home I wanted to know what happens after you collect 15 cities.
This is something that I can never ever imagine happening in a game so I took the glass off.
It took me ages and multiple attempts using my hands. Lol.
Anyway ignore if you don't want to know.
Spoiler alert!
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Complete and you get a nice animation and 50 million points.
Good luck anyone ever getting it
Mine did this when I first got it.
I can't remember exactly how it got fixed.
From memory it was one of the 3 sets of optos that do locks 1-3.
Think I cleaned them and generally jiggled them around - checking connectors etc.
Might have put a new opto in.
Coming back to me that wiggling cables I was able to work out which opto it was.
Good luck!
Quoted from Silkenone:So...ulp, the head’s got to come off for this I guess?
I know I never took the head off as I never figured out how to do it!
Just the top plastic as you can then see all the optos and start moving the wires around to try and isolate which one or set is the bad one.
Can't quite see what is going on in your photos.
I had a look at my lock insert and thought - damn, ghosting.
But on closer inspection this area is covered by mylar and I have a couple of spots where it has a tiny bubble that looks like ghosting.
Some KISS games did have ghosting inserts though.
IMG_6744 (resized).jpgQuoted from TheFamilyArcade:Yeah, what’s up with tha fridge? Is it vintage? I need a new one, and I need advice on a good one. My Samsung is absolute dog meat.
How are the rules on Kiss finally? Is the game done? Is it awesome? Any drawbacks or frustrations? Everytime I play the game I dig it, but with so many choices, I want to ensure the rules don’t have any major holes if I’m ever to own it.
Rules are great now.
There always could be improvements but the way the multipliers work, means no two games end up being the same.
And it is a real challenge - getting Love Gun Super Jackpot is very tough. On the LE it's a countdown 50 million that can be multiplied so the rush is huge.
With Kiss Army the super can be insanely big.
Rock City for me is super hard. 12 instruments is super tough. Can be adjusted in settings.
City Combos are great but no one is getting all 15!
Would be nice if there was an award for finishing the 8 songs. But I think this game is done now.
Can everyone backhand the right ramp?
I couldn't when I got my game.
Re-built flippers and I could.
Now, I can't.
Is it normal to lose power this quickly? Say maximum 1000 games?
Don't think any other way of adjusting power of flippers?
Tried different angles and that is not reason. Just lack of power.
Quoted from finnflash:I just put the mod in that lights each letter on the backbox like the Bally game and I think that looks better then having the topper. Not to mention I feel the "K" on the topper is a little off.
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Was it easy to fit?
Read the reviews and some people had trouble fixing it?
Quoted from finnflash:Not at all, once I got it in place I put a piece of tape holding it there and haven't messed with it 5 years
Do you have a picture of it fitted as can't find any?
Thanks
Quoted from finnflash:On how I did the mezel mod interactive kiss letters.
First I labeled where the "K" and "S" were located with the glass on.
Then put a piece of tape on top of the mod.
Line the mod up with the lines you made then push the tape down to hold it.
I also zip tied the wire to the back so you couldn't see the shadow.
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Nice!
Tempted to get one now.
Quoted from JOESCHALL:Finally joining the KISS Army. My LE, including topper, will arrive next week. Just 66 plays (or 666? ). Can't wait.
Tell me about the Gene Simmon's head. I see reference on ipdb to the head pivoting, but I haven't caught that feature on any of the video footage I've seen.
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Be interested to see some close up photos of topper.
Did Stern do 2 types?
One seems to have exposed leds and other covered?
Can't get either so guess it doesn't matter!
Quoted from finnflash:I think the cover was an after market thing, because of the complaint that it was too bright.
I was put off getting one because of the exposed leds.
Who made the covers? Didn't see them anywhere?
Code is great now and having authentic Gene call outs is such a bonus as it really gives the feel of being at a KISS concert.
If that is your thing!
Quoted from foureyedcharlie:Please everyone, put the clear tron disc on your kiss machines, total game changer. You have to cut it down, but Highly recommend
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Can't believe none of the modders have made this for us KISS owners.
Quoted from Nihonmasa:Hi guys,
Joined the club today, and sure enough, after 5 games, the Deamon VUK is not kicking the ball anymore...
I guess I have to replace the associated transistor on the node board? I jumped its tab to ground and the coil fired.
Or is there something else?
First issue I have witrh a Spike system
Checked all the optos?
They get dirty etc and all sorts of odd things happen with demon stuff.
Had KISS LE over 3 years and still haven't figured out how to remove Gene head!
Anyone know how to do it?
I want to clean the optos under the mouth as occasionally fail to register.
Thanks
Wondering where Kiss Army MB, lies in the all time great modes?
After 4 years of trying, pulled off a 1.9billion Super Jackpot.
What. A. Rush.
Afterwards realised it could have been at least 5x bigger, as only had 3x going, hadn't doubled the center, didn't double the actual super etc.
How big is a perfect KA SJ I wonder?
20 billion?
Quoted from pinballlife:Lyman fixed the rules and made them fun.
Thank you Lyman for tweaking KISS rules - no wonder it's so damn good
You will be missed.
That was entertaining!
Going for huge supers in Kiss Army is epic - pinball doesn't get much better.
Often wondered how big a single super could get with everything set up perfect?
Maybe over 20 billion?
I am happy with my 1.2 billion super but would love to know how big is the maximum!
Quoted from thundergod76:Yes the KISS machines are well known for wrinkled decals. Especially on the Pros. But I haven't heard much about LE machines. There were alot of issues with the head decals curling up their edges. Not just KISS but other titles as well. I know by the time they built the KISS Premiums they had attempted to address the issue with more (or maybe a different type) adhesive. After all these years my Premium has only minor wrinkling around the bolts. Its unfortunate for sure. Obviously the routed Pros probably look the worse with dirty, oily fingers adding to the wrinkle issue. Maybe someone will offer aftermarket ones someday.
Not heard of LE's having any wrinkling as they have the foil decals.
One of the reasons I upgraded from pro to LE.
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