Howdy All-

I picked this game from a family that owned it for close to 40 years. It needed a lot of cleaning. I went through it closely -I thought! lol.

I've searched a bit here on the forum but did not find a solid direction.

The game starts normally however intermittently any value score hit will cause the game to go into the start up reset sequence again. Sometimes it will play the ball for a while but will usually upon any score, again not a specific value, reset the game. When the ball does drain it will count down the bonus first then always reset like a new game. I do not have the manual or schematic. ( I should have copied the set I had with a KK I sold in the spring).

I do have an issue with the credit stepper as I have not set it to free play yet however it is not stepping down subtracting a game when I start or when it does the rogue reset procedure. I'll look at that of course.

Also, I notice the ball in play lights are not lit but do cycle and flash on/off during the start/reset sequence so I know they are good.

As always thanks in advance.

I have made some progress it appears. I inspected the coin door and found nothing obviously wrong. For laughs I unplugged the coin door jones plug to see what would happen. Low and behold I can now play the game as it should. However to get a new game started I must plug in the jones plug again. It immediately starts the reset cycle. Once reset, I unplug it and the rest of play seems ok thus far. I also noted that at least the 4 and 5 ball in play lights come on as they should. I'll get to the ball in play 1,2,3 lights at some point.

Clearly I have either an issue with a coin door component or one of the related relays no? I'll search the forum for some info on that. Again I don't see anything obvious. I will really go over the credit unit next as well.

In addition I'll need to revisit the match unit stepper as I don't seem to have that operating yet either. That along with the ball in play lights should be a minor clean/ adjustment situation I gather.

I have checked the gap on the start switch as well as the lugs. Everything looks correct. I also checked the slam switch. It is closed as it should be and looks to be fine as well. I chased the wires to the jones plug and don't see anything out of sorts. Very odd. I'll look again. I even inspected my Quick Draw game as it has essentially the same coin door set up for comparison with no luck.

Yes when it resets it completes the whole procedure as if it's a new game.

I looked at the coin door again and still don't see an obvious issue. I may actually take it off and really inspect it on the bench. I agree about the s relay possibly being the issue however when I unplug the coin door it does work fine. Yes when I unplug the coin door I can and did manually activate the start relay with success.
I must say I want to look and clean the coin door jones plug as I did actually get the game to start and play 3-4 balls with the coin door plugged in before it tanked again. It was progress except I'm not sure what I did to achieve it! LOL. I'm guessing by moving and cleaning the switches and such as well as removing and plugging in the coin door plug repeatedly is doing something.

I'll do that today. It should be easy to identify as there are only a few switches and the coin window light.

Still no luck. I jumped the wires a pair at a time without success so I took the door off to go over it closely on the bench. I studied the wires, switches etc. I checked again with an ohm meter the function of the 4 switches both at the switch and at the jones plug connector. I even wiggled each switch and wire while testing as well. Note there is the start button switch, slam switch, and two coin switches, However only one side has the coin mech as the other side has the blank on the front door coin chute- but both switches are there and work. Also of course there is the coin lock out coil again, working fine. The only issue I found is on the coin switch that does not have the coin mech. I discovered when the coin lock out coil pulls in and the wire moves to lock out an added coin, the wire actually comes into contact with the bottom blade of the coin switch. It does not move the blade closing the switch but does rest under it touching. The other side does not do this (it has the coin mech). I'm not sure if this is the issue but I will adjust it before putting the door back on. I added a photo for reference.

I also have some insulation off two wires on a relay called the extra chute relay. There are a few switches on it and the one with the burned insulation appears to be a normally closed set. Both wires on that set have lost the insulation. If someone has the schematic I would love to understand what is correct and what that switch does. Is this relay for the extra coin chute? If so the dots are connecting I think. I will begin by chasing that back at the jones plug for the coin door as a start.

As always thanks in advance for thoughts.

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Anyone have the extra chute relay wiring schematic? I need to understand what this does. Thanks

The issue I found with the "extra chute relay" was this. In the photo you can see on the normally closed switch set, someone attempted to solder the wire on. It seems the solder slid down the terminal making contact with the other terminal on the other side of that switch. When that relays pulls in it opens (or should) that switch set. Clearly it was not as they were shorted. I bent the two terminals apart when I first discovered it. I'm guessing that's why the insulation burned on both wires. I'm hopeful this is the cause of the game restarting.

I would like to see the schematic to be sure of the wire color location.

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I should add the "extra chute relay" is also marked the W relay.

I am making progress however I now have an odd intermittent issue. At times during play, and once while the ball was in the shooter lane, all of the playfield lights will go out for a few seconds then come back on. Everything else works on the playfield and the back box stays lit. Any quick thoughts as to where to look first? I'm still looking for a schematic.
Thanks.

I cleaned the jones plugs to the playfield and I think the intermittent light issue seems to be resolved.

I still have the issue with the reset after the ball drains and counts down the bonus points. Sometimes I can play a whole game other times I can't. If anyone has a schematic or a similar game and could possibly point me in the right direction i'd appreciate it. I want to understand the sequence once the ball drains, counts down the bonus and then kicks the ball to the shooter lane while moving the player unit to either the next ball or next player. I'm sure it's just a cleaning or adjustment I just want to look in the correct place- the player unit, score motor or a relay. Just not sure yet.
Thanks in advance.

I will play it with the coin door plug disconnected to see what kind of result I get. I'll keep you posted. Thanks!

It appears it does play normally with the coin door jones plug disconnected after I start a game with it plugged in. I guess I will disassemble the switch stacks on the coin door and inspect closely. Am I correct is stating that the start button may the culprit in resetting the game after the ball drains and counts the bonus? I want to look at the associated relays as well I'm just not sure which ones yet.
Thanks

I spoke too soon regarding the playfield light circuit. They went out and have stayed out. I wish I copied the schematics when I owned a King Kool a couple years back. I'm at a stand still without them.

I have gone over the coin door again. I'm stumped. I do agree it is related to the coin door and or the start circuit for sure. I need to step away and regroup! LOL

I thought I'd give an update. I purchased a set of schematics at Pinfest in Allentown two weeks ago. It turned out the issue was in the tilt/hold (H) relay. I cleaned and adjusted it and all is fine in the world. I've played maybe 40 games or so without issue. It was also the culprit in the playfield lights intermittently going out as well.

Thanks all for the help!