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Quoted from wesman:This is what I never get with these "content creators" either. It's a choice, for them to make it either a lightly invested hobby or to hope it can amplify their career earnings or BE their career.
Many videos need much effort to be created, but all the same, many, many videos or podcasts are OPINION BASED....not information based, which requires no information or little collection at all, just enough ego to assume someone should SPEND their time listening to and valuing you.
The other day, when I heard Cary Hardy release an "episode" of him simply talking about Kaneda's situation, then adding in that he started a Patron page, I just about stopped listening immediately. Content creation involving opinions, is really barebones, and also not very informing or unique and rarely entertaining.
So yeah, guys and gals, you want and feel you should be supported? Well, create podcasts that are informed as well as educational, and I'd consider. But "History of Rome" with Mike Duncan, these podcasts are not.
Just so we are clear. I never asked for anything. I simply stated that I had a Patreon for those that 'wanted' to support my content. Which by the way is more than the infancy of my podcast. I'm only assuming you don't watch my Youtube(primary) content. Of which I provide simply for the love of the hobby. Which is why I will never release content on a schedule - because my life comes first and I will never rely on others to pay my bills. The money that I have made via Youtube/Patreon/donations has gone back into my content. Wireless mics to provide restoration info without having to always face the mic, lighting, cameras, the software that allows me to even do any of it.
Like so many others have stated - it's an option. My content in general is an option.
Quoted from wesman:It's fine. I realize it's a choice, on the end of the host as well as the listener.
But you do need to realize that at the start of your fourth episode, it seemed like you were going to give your assessment of what Kaneda discussed on his facebook video, and instead you seemed to delve down towards the road of "all of this content that you guys get for free" territory. Which just four brief episodes in, isn't exactly enamoring for the listener.
I don't know how you split revenue that you might get for any of this. I am of the understanding that Youtube for the majority of uploaders, is not at all profitable in any way, or usually just for enhanced gear.
I've watched some of your videos for sure, and you do solid production work, and often they come across as informed and even educational in some capacity. That said, the freeflowing podcast format has felt more barebones, a bit adrift, and when I heard in this last episode talk of a patreon page, then at the end an announcement of one, I was a bit surprised, given the overall newness and brevity of what you've posted so far.
And I dunno, creating and listing a Patreon page is asking for donations in some capacity. It's not demanding, but that and the "content for free" and "give back" statements do suggest a balance of content for cash.....if one so wishes to. In short, the doing something for fun, then hoping cash comes a person's way is offputting for me. That's just me, and I've created crappy art and a podcast in the past, and just hoped people found any value in those things at all.
Either way, good on ya, and keep doing things that make you feel happy!
I'm in all areas of this hobby. Started with no knowledge about pinball and that has escalated over the last decade to being an operator, restorer, enthusiasts, and content creator. I can tell you right now that the people that create content about pinball are not doing it for money - because there is very little to be made (by views and/or listens alone). This is why you hear many podcasts promote products. My first episode I state that I WILL NOT be doing that. When I chose to do the podcast it was to provide content for those that have asked for it. Some people don't like to watch video and would rather just listen to what I have to say. Others aren't into podcasts (I use to be like that too). I put up a Patreon because I get contacted by people asking how they can donate. I direct them to the silverball swag site for shirts - some don't want/like the shirt and would rather just pitch in a couple of bucks. I have had people ask if I would go full time Youtube - god no. That would suck, because my passion would then become a job which may result in me losing my passion for it. I have never promoted myself as being the almighty best at anything. I'm just a guy like everyone else here - I have decided to put out content is all. But what you state is true, wesman. "..and just hoped people found any value in those things at all." It feels good when others appreciate what you do. You get a little bit of a dopamine hit, and it gives you the feeling of wanting to continue doing it. That appreciation can be shown in different ways. A thumbs up, a good comment, increasing subscriber base and why would money feel any different? Of course with the good - you get the bad. Some people can take the bad, and others just simply can't handle it. That is also why you have seen certain people leave the hobby or drop out of being a content provider.
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