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Kaneda podcast dead

By radfordian3505

3 years ago


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    #940 3 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    It’s this whole cancel culture, which is just not sustainable.
    We are humans. Humans are imperfect. We make mistakes. We are free thinking people. I just want to know why so many people have forgotten about this.
    Look at Married with Children. Back in the 80’s, no one would take that woman from Michigan seriously. Today? Forget it. The show would be pulled off the air.

    No one has "forgotten about it", they just choose to acknowledge it and own it and try and be aware of it and correct it going forward. The people that say things like "well this was totally cool in the 60s but wouldn't fly today!" or just scream "cancel culture" whenever something racist is called out are just either hiding their head in the sand or still agree with antiquated viewpoints.

    We are imperfect and make mistakes, and that's why we don't let the crap from "back in the 80s" that was totally "cool" on the air today. It's not because everyone is a libtard snowflake, it's because we know it's wrong. I don't even know what "woman from Michigan" is, but you seem to be aware it wasn't appropriate since it "would be pulled off the air". That doesn't make you a cancel culture libtard socialist, it makes you a human who is learning from their mistakes. That's a good thing to recognize, not a bad thing.

    #945 3 years ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    I personally love the cancel culture. The left eating eachother!

    Yes, this is definitely what is happening and makes total sense.

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    #952 3 years ago
    Quoted from greenhornet:

    how can we profess to know something to be unequivocally 'wrong', when humans are imperfect and capable of mistakes ? just because we are in the here in now doesnt mean what we doing today is right. isnt it possible that how we deal with matters today are the real mistakes and that the 80s were just hunky-dory ? who is to say that mankind wont be looking back at 2020 as a pivotal point in the degradation of society and that unchecked political correctness/cancel culture was one of the biggest human mistakes of all time.

    Well, if your argument here is that deciding to be not racist (sexist, fill in your blank here, etc.) and not actively promote things that are might be looked back on in 20 years as a "mistake", I'm honestly not sure I can help you see how wild of a take that is.

    I think this thread goes to show that literally nothing goes "unchecked" in 2020 - just take a look at the downvotes I got from suggesting that admitting just because something was "fine" in the past, it's ok to know better today that maybe it was not fine and contributing to the problems we're now facing. The Fox News boomer crowd is convinced that yelling "cancel culture" helps to validate their racism (or use your fill in the blank from above here) and pretend like it's everyone else that's wrong for being "offended". The only people that would see "cancel culture" as a mistake are people who view it like this (well, and people who use the phrase "cancel culture" earnestly and think it's an actual insult and not some cringy Fox News old guy sound bite). Calling it "holding people accountable" and see if it helps?

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    #964 3 years ago
    Quoted from vdojaq:

    I believe the term cancel culture is somewhat accurate. I would like to know what racism you believe I am validating? I am perfectly able to think for myself, make decisions for myself, and decide what is racist or not for myself without someone telling me I must blindly follow the leftist trail you are blazing. Toppling statues, cancelling shows, removing pancake syrup and 86'ing Uncle Ben are going to put us in the right direct too? Laughable at best. You cannot demand respect because of one's color, it has never worked and never will. You are respected when you are part of a positive society. Right now, society is in the garbage.

    If you re-read your post, you will answer your first question.

    #982 3 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    Having everything sanitized is people forgetting about it. Look at the person who tattle told on Kaneda. What the hell is that? Just because you don’t like someone.
    You know what I do with people I don’t like? I ignore them.
    What do I do with people like David Duke and Al Sharpton? I think both are a perfectly good waste of a carbon based life form...and I ignore everything they say. I don’t pay attention to their garbage.
    I don’t own the morale high ground to dictate what they can and can not say. That goes for the same person who had their feelings hurt by Kaneda.
    In this free country, I have the freedom to choose who I want to listen to, who I want to ignore, which games I want to own, which games I don’t want to own.

    Yikes. Definitely not going to be able to change the mind of someone who thinks opposing what the KKK says is assuming the "moral high ground". I thought that the KKK was pretty much accepted as "not good" in 2020 but apparently here we are.

    #991 3 years ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    But Al Sharpton, is good? I don't think you got the jist of his post. There are bad people on "both" sides, just as there are good. To deny it, is to deny the truth.

    I got more than the jist of it, trust me.

    Quoted from gambit3113:

    If you want to compare the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan to Al Sharpton, with a straight face, and suggest that they are comparably bad at being humans for whatever you perceive their slights to be — well, we probably don’t have much reason to converse at all about anything.

    I'm not the only one who got it either.

    I'm going to drop this because it's clearly not going to matter anyway, which is a bummer.

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    #1023 3 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    There’s something called the first amendment.
    I will always defend someone’s right to say what they want. No one should have their God given rights taken away because someone disagrees with them.
    I have the freedom not to listen, associate, or do business with that person.

    There is, but it doesn't mean what you think it means. You can defend that right all you want but your true character shows when you challenge the things that are said and call them out as wrong, not just stand by and shrug. I never said anything about taking away anyone's rights, but an impressive Fox News-esque pivot nonetheless. I said that it's ok to admit some things are just bad ideas and we're better people than that (or so I can hope).

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    #1029 3 years ago
    Quoted from gjm7777:

    I think a big problem with what we are witnessing with cancel culture is that it's hypocritical many times, and thinly veiled at best. There are real actual victims that are marginalized and drowned out by large swaths of fair-weather glory seekers looking to bolster their online profiles and social media standing, or those acting out of spite to get a rush of dopamine their typical likes don't provide.
    Corporations bend to social pressure - everyone knows it, they are simply protecting their stock price and revenue - people who pressure with a multitude of others feel like they delivered justice when holding a corporation to the fire and the cycle continues. Friends accuse friends of being intolerant if they don't weigh in on a situation (even though most won't because they are in fear of if being used against them)
    What's now happening is many times the same people who decry bullying, intolerance, injustice are actively showing that when aligned with other like-minded people they act no better and in some cases worse, ruining peoples lives to get their warped sense of mob justice. If we don't have an aligned sense of morality, a standard, there is no depth to which it can't sink because everyone has their own idea of what it should be. The internet allows for the inmates to run the asylum if you will.
    We have no real statute of limitations on what is said - this essentially conveys the message that no one can change or grow as a person. Yes if you post something terrible you must take accountability but who is the arbiter of when a person has learned a lesson or grown? Will the employee background check assess an individual's growth before it casts them to the no hire pile? Especially in today's difficult job market? I liken it to a person released from prison, they are rehabilitated but will never really get a chance to thrive.
    Speaking of thriving, The media and political agendas literally thrive on the situation right now, further dividing the gap between people who actually think both sides are somehow different when they are really the same - our best interests are not represented, it's simply the methods in which they go about staying in relevance/power.
    What we need are people to start taking accountability for their own actions, not blame someone or something else all the time - understand that people have different views and that discussion can still be had (not that you're immediately an enemy). True racism and injustice is abhorrent, but blanket stereotyping and carelessly attributing these labels can be dangerous, especially if it's done out of spite to target someone.
    If you can't afford something don't buy it - there is no "best life" someone will have to pay eventually, don't believe the lies the media promise your life can be
    If you can't be there for your children - don't have them, don't leave them to be raised by the system who never gave a damn
    If you don't agree with someone - it's ok -it happens, the best things to have come about in this world are from a diverse people with different world views converging - don't just dismiss them, unfriend them, cancel them try to understand them first.
    Do onto others as you would have done to you (how did we forget this)
    In the end we have a multitude of people who are angry all around - and it's justified in many cases (there is a long terrible history to point to) - but it feels like we are setting ourselves back in the middle of a pandemic, at one of our most vulnerable times as a species on this earth - we need to align and look forward knowing what our mistakes were, that's what history is for - not to be wiped away because its embarrassing.
    Lastly,
    Kaneda is a perfect example of a narcissist, often forgetting and saying the exact opposite of what he spewed the podcast before it. I can appreciate he provided entertainment for people, but i'd bet it wasn't for their benefit. I don't wish bad things for the guy though.

    Appreciate the well thought out response, definitely alot in here I agree with and I think we are on the same page. My whole point was that we SHOULD change as people. I'm sure we all have said stuff, myself included, that looking back makes you wonder what were you thinking. I think the difference we are seeing emerge now is the divide between the people who say "well that's my right to think it you can ignore me" and the people who realize why it was wrong and try and apply that to the future. Alot of the things people point to as "well it was fine before!", they stop there and never bother to think about why it isn't acceptable now, and REALLY don't stop to consider if it was fine before too.

    Anyway I'm a broken record here but really did take your points well and appreciate it.

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