Louisville, KY
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Anytime I hear the name Kaminkow associated with Stern Pinball-I think about one word- 'Overpriced'.
He is a legend in the industry, but not into making pinball into an elite boutique hobby/sport. Prices keep jumping up and honestly-it is starting to get ridiculous. Now if Kaminkow can help deliver a packed Pro model for $5K or an LE for $7K-I am interested, otherwise it would need to knock my socks off for me to pay boutique pinball prices.
I'm curious if the Beatles release taught him a few things. I think they found their ceiling, and should probably back off a bit. Did they ever make all 1964 Beatles machines? Seems unlikely.
Quoted from JodyG:I'm curious if the Beatles release taught him a few things. I think they found their ceiling, and should probably back off a bit. Did they ever make all 1964 Beatles machines? Seems unlikely.
I was thinking the same thing while watching Bowen's Beatles tutorial yesterday. I highly doubt it.
Quoted from Rondogg:is there a rumor of this?
Quoted from JodyG:I'm curious if the Beatles release taught him a few things. I think they found their ceiling, and should probably back off a bit. Did they ever make all 1964 Beatles machines? Seems unlikely.
All I know is Beatles is a KILLER fucking game. Love it.
How cool it would be...
Scoop pops up in the upper mid pf and u shoot the ball in it to re enact the car disappearing at 88mph. Could haveinserts lined up to it that resemble flames too.
Toronto, ON
Oooh, stainless steel armor. Feed Mr. Fusion. Light all three arms of the flux capacitor for multiball. Send Biff to the manure pile!
Will Michael J Fox be personalizing the speech audio with buyers names? Will you have to submit a video on why you should be allowed to buy one?
Quoted from balt:Oooh, stainless steel armor. Feed Mr. Fusion. Light all three arms of the flux capacitor for multiball. Send Biff to the manure pile!
With recent stern history what are the odds of a toy like that realistically being included and not left on the cutting room floor?
At this point I almost don’t want stern to do it as I know it would only disappoint me as it’s my #1 all time dream theme.
Quoted from wrb1977:It’s at the very end of Joe’s interview...don’t know the exact time.
-20:26 : “Chris I’ll talk to you about doc brown in our pinball project later. Oops did I say something I shouldn’t have (sarcastic tone).”
Quoted from koops:At this point I almost don’t want stern to do it as I know it would only disappoint me as it’s my #1 all time dream theme.
+1. JJP, Deeproot, anyone else other than Stern. Well, almost.
Almere
I've been excited for years about the possibility of a new Back to the Future pin but not by Kapow / Stern. It's likely not going to be a a JJP title, I could tell that by Joe talking about how much he likes working with Gary. This is a shame as it likely means a more strippped down game, and a higher price. However, Kapow / Stern did a great job with getting a lot of licensed assets for Batman 66 so I'm holding out hope that Stern locks down assets for all 3 films and doesn't try to make it primarily about the first. Still, it's these prices that are insane considering what is being offered in terms of features and quality.
The thought of today’s Stern having its fingerprints on that license makes me want to puke.
Let’s see... hit some blinking lights. Every insert lights up for a jackpot shot. 3 pops in the upper right corner. Michael J Fox photoshopped on the slings.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I've been excited for years about the possibility of a new Back to the Future pin but not by Kapow / Stern. It's likely not going to be a a JJP title, I could tell that by Joe talking about how much he likes working with Gary. This is a shame as it likely means a more strippped down game, and a higher price. However, Kapow / Stern did a great job with getting a lot of licensed assets for Batman 66 so I'm holding out hope that Stern locks down assets for all 3 films and doesn't try to make it primarily about the first. Still, it's these prices that are insane considering what is being offered in terms of features and quality.
They also did a pretty poor job with Beatles assets, particularly the songs. He was also responsible for the first BTTF where they had a "look alike" Marty on the backglass because they couldn't secure the asset. So...hope for the best but his track record is pretty uneven.
Being this year (2020) marks the 35th anniversary, would Ka-Pow and Stern push this game out. Similair to Batman 66 ??
Quoted from CrazyLevi:All I know is Beatles is a KILLER fucking game. Love it.
That is well overpriced. $5000 game at best. Street level Gottlieb.
The way he made this joke "tease" on a public podcast makes me think that a new BTTF is not even close to happening. Which makes me really sad.
Below are some comments from the podcast where Joe was asked about recent reported playfield quality issues.
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
Quoted from TomGWI:That is well overpriced. $5000 game at best. Street level Gottlieb.
Really? Which Stern can we buy NIB for $5k? 11 drop targets, spinning disc, art blades, powder coat ... there’s more in this game than a Pro model. It doesn’t bother me that some dislike the pin but no, even w out a $1M license it’s not a 5k game.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
Oh I will...with their competitors.
Quoted from Greenandwhite:Really? Which Stern can we buy NIB for $5k? 11 drop targets, spinning disc, art blades, powder coat ... there’s more in this game than a Pro model. It doesn’t bother me that some dislike the pin but no, even w out a $1M license it’s not a 5k game.
Powder coating is like putting lip stick on a pig.
I know plenty of people that can get a pro for $5k NIB. Show deals, Stern Rewards.
How many drops are in WPT? 16. It has an upper playfield too.
So drop targets and a spinner make a game great? I agree the game is fun but it’s pretty shallow in the code department.
I don’t dislike the pin, I dislike the price. There is more game in a JP pro or IMDN pro than Beatles.
How much does a gold Beatles go for? $7-8k.
What did Diamonds and Platiums go for $10k, $15k?
Deadpool Premium has 11 drops, 2 ramps, And, wait for it, a disco ball
I just think for what you get the game is overpriced. Just my opinion.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Below are some comments from the podcast where Joe was asked about recent reported playfield quality issues.
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
Yep. Just confirms the mentality that brought us all those great Sega and Data East titles. BUY BUY BUY He and Gary think alike.
Oh and you forgot "If you can't afford it then maybe you need to get a better job". At least he's honest about it.
Quoted from TheLaw:horrible
Let's not forget the spinning disc of death.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Below are some comments from the podcast where Joe was asked about recent reported playfield quality issues.
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
This totally goes against what George Gomez professed on Coast 2 Coast a few years ago... he preached that operators were a-ok receiving less than perfect because they’d fix problems with a field kit and put a game on route. He said they realized the customer focus had changed,,, and with cost to home buyers comes new expectations and that Stern has adjusted their materials and processes to meet that.
Quoted from TomGWI:Powder coating is like putting lip stick on a pig.
I know plenty of people that can get a pro for $5k NIB. Show deals, Stern Rewards.
How many drops are in WPT? 16. It has an upper playfield too.
So drop targets and a spinner make a game great? I agree the game is fun but it’s pretty shallow in the code department.
I don’t dislike the pin, I dislike the price. There is more game in a JP pro or IMDN pro than Beatles.
How much does a gold Beatles go for? $7-8k.
What did Diamonds and Platiums go for $10k, $15k?
Deadpool Premium has 11 drops, 2 ramps, And, wait for it, a disco ball
I just think for what you get the game is overpriced. Just my opinion.
Not all but difference in price is also bc of the cost of the IP vs other titles
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Below are some comments from the podcast where Joe was asked about recent reported playfield quality issues.
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
Wow, what an asshole..
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Below are some comments from the podcast where Joe was asked about recent reported playfield quality issues.
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
KaPOW!
Can’t argue with any of that.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:KaPOW!
Can’t argue with any of that.
I can argue with the shitty work ethic of "Well, we're not making anything important so who gives a damn." mentality that's presented.
Like, can you really have that much disdain for something you keep doing, and the people paying thousands of dollars for it? Prick.
Quoted from Frax:Wow, what an asshole..
KaPOW! Right in the nuts!
Clearly they don't give a shit about the secondary market with the impact from the build issues.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Below are some comments from the podcast where Joe was asked about recent reported playfield quality issues.
"...the clear coat is not glass, it's paint, it's a ball, it's a piece of wood, it will roll, big deal"
"It's a pinball, they wear out, they're mechanical things"
Super Awesome Pinball Show "You haven't noticed a change from before to now in playfield quality"?
"I'm sure from batch to batch the poplar wood changes from what tree was cut down or what the amount of moisture was in the air or the amount of time the hard coat did or how somebody mixed the hard coat with not enough of something, too much of something else but you know it's a pinball machine"
"To quote Gary we are not making heart and lung machines, we are making pinball machines"
"We used to make games where the hard coat would wear out within 90 days"
"For those at home in their underwear and in their wife beaters and drinking PBR and bitch in the words of William Shatner get a life"
That’s pretty damn funny and spot on!
When I buy JJP games, have a Wonka CE showing up next week, I don’t worry about the litany of issues that POTC and Wonka have experienced
I just like playing my pinball games and having fun
Not every game has to be the best game ever!
I focus on the fun factor. Anything else is a waste of life
Quoted from iceman44:When I buy JJP games, have a Wonka CE showing up next week, I don’t worry about the litany of issues that POTC and Wonka have experienced
I just like playing my pinball games and having fun
Not every game has to be the best game ever!
I focus on the fun factor. Anything else is a waste of life
And I'm sure if everyone had as much money to carelessly throw around as you do, they'd probably share your opinion. I don't think you give a single 'f' if a game you bought loses half it's value overnight. You're just going to buy more games anyways, right? You're like the whale in a mobile gatcha game telling the F2P guys "I don't get why it's so hard. You just use *THIS UNIT* with *THIS GEAR* and it's all good!".....while completely ignoring the fact the only reason they have those units with those setups is that they spent literally as much as we spend on pinball machines.
Quoted from Frax:I don't think you give a single 'f' if a game you bought loses half it's value overnight. .
That has not happened in the history of pinball.
Even WWE.
I haven't seen a single "clearcoat special" where a new game was heavily discounted by the NIB purchaser.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:That has not happened in the history of pinball.
Even WWE.
I haven't seen a single "clearcoat special" where a new game was heavily discounted by the NIB purchaser.
I think Thunderbirds is closest with a 5k NIB price to 3k used price.
It is before my time but I believe Williams used to do closeouts on last years' pins.
I like the Kapow games. BB66 and Beatles are both really fun games and represent the license in a unique way. I own and love Beatles and would definitely enjoy a Batman 66.
No company or game can be all things to all people. I like the niche that Kapow is filling.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:That has not happened in the history of pinball.
Even WWE.
I haven't seen a single "clearcoat special" where a new game was heavily discounted by the NIB purchaser.
Dude, stop being ridiculous for JUST a moment. I know it's really hard when you spend so much time shitting on everything that everyone posts.... I never said it happened. I said he would not care if it DID.
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I think Thunderbirds is closest with a 5k NIB price to 3k used price.
It is before my time but I believe Williams used to do closeouts on last years' pins.
I'm still pissed about the ghosting on my CV inserts but nobody at Bally will take my calls!!!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I'm still pissed about the ghosting on my CV inserts but nobody at Bally will take my calls!!!
I know! I call every week to order a Black Knight 2000 t-shirt but nobody ever answers.
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