Really? I would think that more inquiries asking when its going to be available would show the license holder that there is a strong demand for the product. Now, if Scott or any of the DP guys started giving out info before the licensing was sorted, that would definitely piss off the license holder. Asking is one thing....Giving is another...

Scott and the DP guys...get this done so we can start treating objects like women!

Not like I know anything....

I think it has nothing to do with TBL...I personally feel the project is 95% done and they are looking to get a final ok from the licensing people. Also, the website says 1st Quarter 2014...there's another 5 weeks in the first quarter...

but, thats just my opinion man....

With Dutch Pinball USA in Chicago it would not surprise me to see (at some point) products being shipped to a North American address be shipped from Chicago. As they have noted with TBL shipping

Dutch guys are way on the up and up. They would do nothing to jepordize their relationship with PPS or Williams.

From my understanding, they are in a postion where they want to become a quality player in the manufacturing process of Pinball machines. They know that burning bridges doesn't do anyone any good. Thats why they are doing everything by the book.

I had also heard something that the Carpet Pissers may have been involved. Then, yesterday, new shit came to light, and this was found outside of Jaap's house. The guys down at the station are working in shifts. They have a feeling that Nihilists may have been involved...

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I'm with ya Jay...I have been keeping my eyes out for one since Expo...

And that game was TITS!

Wow...congrats 2.0 owners and DP....

You have plenty of time to research

Funhouse is one of my favorites....

I am modding mine now. Geert Koop from Koop Kustoms (he is doing some of the work on TBL) has my Rudy head and painting him up. I am adding some lights, and a few things here and there. Hopefully will have it at 100% by the first of the year.

Wanna get creepy? take Rudy's face off, invite the wife down for a game and don't tell her. My wife walked out of the room mid ball as soon as she saw him...

yep...think what DP could do with this...

one just came up in Michigan for $2400. Not sure if its worth that. Pinside has an average cost of $1600 or so...

Now that sh*t is funny right there...Cheeks, did you play it at Expo? How much time do you have playing with the new kit? "severely" may be a slight overstatement...

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No Soup for you!

My father used to say to me, "Contempt Prior to Investigation is not attractive"

I am not a programmer, but if this was as simple as a software only project, wouldn't we just be installing a $10 rom in BOP? Thats what I did with my TZ and TAF. Seems like there is a little more in that box than just a $10 rom.

Also, (and I am just watching this, no skin in the game)...it appears that the only people concerned about the kit have not played the game themselves. Even our brothers over in Europe who had the same concerns that the US buyers did are very impressed with the game play, and looking forward to seeing what is to come.

Is there anyone on here that has the kit, installed the kit, played the game, and still disappointed? Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen this.

I have played BOP 2.0. It kick's ass. For the record...If anyone has a BOP...adds the kit, and is not happy with it please let me know...would be more than happy to take it off your hands.

Nope...I think you are 100% accurate...

Don't let it...I am really looking forward to reading back through this in 6 months....

I could see this aggression with other companies that have a proven track record of games not being delivered on time and code not being complete. But no matter how much we want to think DP is in the same league as these other companies, they are not. I see DP catching a lot of flack because of frustration that has been created by other companies.....

DP is fast approaching becoming a competitor. But they are new, and cutting teeth is painful. Putting all your faith in a new company is something to be proud of, but thinking they will not have bumps in the road might be a little short sighted.

Here's a thought....maybe the guys in the US could wait until they have their own kit, with the code that's provided to bitch about it. For all we know, the US guys could be getting a finished product. Maybe not. But if so, isn't this just turning into a huge circle jerk?

Everyone has different expectations...justified is dependent on the individual expectation we are talking about. For me...being a first day supporter of TBL, and DP having $8500 of my money, I would say I am justified to be pissed about all this BOP stuff. But I knew when ordering TBL, (before all these delays with the BOP project) that these guys were new, and my expectations needed to be realistic. As seen with BOP and even with TBL, there are things that they could not forecast being an issue. These types of things come with experience, and I fully expect DP not to have the same issues again with other projects.

DP is listening and I am sure looking back, they would have done some things differently. There will be some things they won't do in the future based on these experiences. I could see the fire and pitch forks if we were talking about a company that has 50+ years of experience making Pinball Machines. But not DP. I feel that while they are learning to walk, we shouldn't be kicking them in the nuts as soon as they try to stand up.

Each of us have a different threshold of pain. Some can hack and some can't. That's not a dig at anyone, just the way life is.