Will the upgrade include all of the unfinished code (Metamorphosis, Etc.) when it ships?

I'm really excited about it, but I'd really like to see the new Metamorphosis. It was like a completely different game when I played it at Expo. While that's good, it was like the old game was missing and the hardware for it made no sense. I'm in for sure, but some teaser video for the Metamorphosis would be awesome.

This is what I was talking about! I know you guys don't have it finished yet, but showing an animation of the Bride building stuff would help a lot of people. Really excited about it.

I honestly think that they are the best dots ever produced for a Pingame. I don't consider RFM/SWE1/WOZ to have dots...

I'm in. I saw someone that said they were #20. I got an e-mail from them saying something was being announced this week. We'll see!

I sold my AC/DC Premium to buy a machine and the kit. I had other reasons to buy the BOP, but that was how I was able to do it. It'll be good to have another unique game in my collection (I sold my BBB and Varkon). Really excited!

Yes - It's true. Listed as a bullet point on the web page: http://www.dutchpinball.com/project-bride

I'm hearing the BBB callouts:

"A little to the left"
"A little to the right"
"Mmmm Perfect"

Wait, did I type that out loud?

(If you pull this off Brad - You're my new hero!)

And as she's writing it - have her say it into a microphone...

Is it a hard drive or SSD?

That will cut boot time at least in half (over a standard hard drive). Also, SSDs have less potential for damage in shipping. Very good idea all around!

I don't think this will be necessary. I think they will have as many kits as they need. I'd like to know what's going on with the legal stuff...

OK - I just got off the phone with Rick. This isn't really a BOP 2.0 issue, it's a "right to make changes to existing software" issue. This was something that was totally against the rules Williams had established. Industry leaders are behind this initiative for other reasons so BOP 2.0 is just waiting for the legal machine to get through it's process. This is the best way I can describe my conversation with Rick.

Personally, I feel better knowing it's not just about BOP 2.0. I think we'll have something special after all of this is figured out.

-Al-

But this is against the rules as well (look in your manual). It had never been asked before so it makes sense that they have to approve it. It'll have other good implications for pinball as well.

Williams has always been worried that if outside software was added to a game that something could be done that would cause problems with the game (like turning on a coil too long and it overheats, etc.). In the litigious world we live in, it's understandable. For that and other reasons it's a copyright violation to modify code if you are not Williams.

Having an agreement that it can be done under auspices of the license holder would allow changes in other code as well. Machines that had bad bugs could finally be rectified. It's a big deal if this goes through for a bunch of reasons.

BOP 2.0 will be the icing on the cake!

He never said anything about that project, but I agree, that would make sense.

Personally, I'm in until the end. The fact that this isn't about this one project is encouraging to me. I'm convinced that the project will be done, but it's not probably going to be on Dutch Pinball's schedule until this is resolved. I wouldn't read too much into it. All pinball projects take longer than anticipated. Good things are worth waiting for.

There has been some talk about distributing the US kits from here, but I think the official answer is that they are shipping from the Netherlands. I'm sure that if it changes, they will let us know (since we haven't paid for shipping yet).

Actually, they were under the impression that there was no problem selling it. Something changed outside of their control mid-stream and we all just have to wait for the system to work.

I'd like to add that I'm not working for Dutch Pinball or PPS in any capacity; I'm a buyer just like many of you. I have been involved in many other projects in the pinball field and have built up a trust with many manufacturers because of my honesty and willingness to disseminate only the information they want to be made known. You can see this in the various videos I've been a part of over the years. We are all just trying to make the hobby work for us and I've been lucky enough to have had something to do with it.

Based on the Euro to US conversion and 70 Euros to ship, the full kit with display and sound is: $1899.53 today. It will cost more than that if you use PayPal though, even as a gift because they are not at the exchange rate exactly.

-Al-

PS - I'm glad I already ordered mine - that sounds like a lot of money now...

I ordered my kit without a display and when they announced the color display was going to be sold at the same price as the monochrome (there's a word you don't hear anymore), I added one to my order. I'm still sorta holding out on the Sound system. I have one I built from a kit that I think will be pretty sweet.

It was incorrectly reported and everyone went crazy. False alarm. Dutch Pinball will be releasing a statement soon to clear everything up. Don't Panic.

You would have shot yourself over BBB! This is NOTHING! This already has the blessing of top people in the Pinball industry. No worries...

The kits for the U.S. are being assembled here and shipped from here to save costs. I guess they don't really know the shipping costs yet.

There is a rumor to that effect going around...

I don't think Planetary has ANYTHING to do with it other than licensing right now. After the initial ship it might change, but, they have been saying that they are shipping directly from IL in the US.

I thought they were over 50 orders. I *think* that this is only the EU picture. The US stuff is in IL and I'll bet there's more of it.

-Al-

I'm in the 99% Incandescent club so ghosting won't be an issue. I did put LEDs in the pop bumpers but that won't affect anything and I used the non-ghosting type anyway. I added some color with colored incandescent bulbs. I really like that my retinas aren't on fire when I play the game.

Not to go too far off topic, but I'd have to agree. At least the DP website never took down a product they were supposedly developing...

Only shipped to Europe so far.

First off, I'm a huge supporter of the project and I do have "skin in the game". Buyers are concerned because of the big delays that have occurred and the fact that DP is on another bigger project. We accept that adding color would set back the project since all graphics would need to be re-rendered. The Metamorphosis is an important part of the game and if any modes should have been developed first, it was this one. I'm still really excited about the kit and can't wait to get it installed.

I really doubt that they want US touching their code. I know people who CAN do this, but, I'm sure the source code will be off limits. I think it'll eventually get done. I still trust them since all of my e-mail messages to Barry have been responded to (eventually).

Or just WAITING like normal...

Wait for it...