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Just noticed a minor snag with the Playboy to Sexy Girl conversions


By kbliznick

6 years ago



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#1 6 years ago

Take a look at the Sexy girl pf in the pictures, specifically the outhole and trough area.

http://www.classicplayfields.com/store-playfields.html

now take a look again at the same area on any of the Bally playfields.

Sexy-Girl uses Gottlieb assemblies. so unless you want to do a ton of cutting to fit all the Bally parts from the playboy you will need to use some Gottlieb parts to do the conversion.

Here is what I had posted to RGP:

The game keeps being billed as a drop in conversion kit for a Bally
Playboy. However the conversions were done in such a way that a
completely wired playfield (built by Arkon) was dropped into a Bally
cabinet with Bally Boards.

So.... look at this
http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2106&picno=41615

The original Arkon playfields (which is what I am assuming was used to
make the CPR repros) use hardware that is all Gottlieb stuff,
gottlieb flipper assemblies, gottlieb drop target assemblies, gottlieb
outhole kicker, gottlieb ball trough, with gottlieb holes and gottlieb
mounting points (even to the point of having the switch diodes on
separate circuit boards like Gottliebs)

Also note that the Bally boards would require the use 43 V for the
coils, but gottlieb coils are 25V so these were probably coils made by
Arkon especially for this kit.

Plus since these original kits were probably made with all new parts
and NOT parts stripped from Bally Playboys will any of the metal
brackets from the top of the pf fit into the mounting holes on the
repros?

Now this isn't to discourage anyone from actually trying the
conversion (I have been tasked with doing one myself) but is just a
heads up that it won't simply be another pf swap like any other normal
swap. You probably could use all the original Bally Playboy under pf
parts but there might be a lot of extra drilling and cutting to get
those parts to fit.

I have several gottlieb pf's worth of parts and will probably fit
these assemblies onto the kit and simply swap out the coils for the
Bally equivalents.

Kris

#3 6 years ago

It's a bit more than a minor snag, LOL.

#4 6 years ago

Wow I didn't know this.. that'll be a lot of work to populate such a playfield.

#5 6 years ago

Guess that means you will be getting to mine later rather than sooner.

#6 6 years ago

Time to find out which gottlieb system 1 pf's will yield all of the necessary parts.

Cleopatra, Solar Ride, and Roller Disco all have the 5 bank target, 2 slings, 2 flippers, 3 pop bumpers, and correct outhole/apron (roller disco has wrong apron) but none have the upper kicker. Can probably recycle the Bally part for this one.

System 80 machines used a different outhole/trough.

#7 6 years ago

not at all Matt. I have several stripped gottlieb pf's. Just need to make sure I still have all of the parts.

Pretty sure I have everything except maybe the trough ramps/brackets.

#8 6 years ago

Can anyone who owns an original scan the apron and pop bumper parts? This would be the last art items need to recreate it.

#9 6 years ago

I looked into this a few months ago.

CPR is kind of false advertising that this is a "Playboy Conversion" when you actually need a Playboy machine for the playfield parts, guides electronics and cab - but then you need a Gottlieb machine for flippers, pops, ball eject, drop targets, apron and switches; and insult to injury, you then need a bunch of custom coils.

The worst part is that because they had already reproduced Bally Playboy, they could have just routed the playfield with the standard Bally Playboy holes with no additional effort.

This would have made it a standard playfield swap instead of a giant cluster fnck.

#10 6 years ago

We made a "Repro" Sexy Girl Playfield, NOT a Hybrid of 2 Different Playfields. Our Sexy Girl is just like the original and Was NOT produced for "conversions". It was produced for those of us that actually own a Sexy Girl Machine to do a standard swap and restoration. It "can" be used as a 'conversion' for those eager enough to attempt it.

Here is what it says on the CPR site: this pin could be your creation if you have a project Playboy machine to convert. This trilogy gives you the three ""major components"" to make it happen (Backglass, Playfield, and Plastics"....This was never advertised as a "Conversion ""KIT"" "...just simply the Repro Playfield.

CPR's description does NOT say that this is a "direct playfield swap" for the conversion, nor does it say that these 3 components are "all that you need" for the conversion.

If you think it's a "Giant Cluster Fnck" — then don't even attempt it. Try doing some "research' before you buy ( did you actually 'buy' the SG Playfield? )....

Quoted from cichlid:

The worst part is that because they had already reproduced Bally Playboy, they could have just routed the playfield with the standard Bally Playboy holes with no additional effort.
This would have made it a standard playfield swap instead of a giant cluster fnck

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from Stu:

Try doing some "research' before you buy

I did, that was the part where I said:

Quoted from cichlid:

I looked into this a few months ago.

I have 2 Playboys (one restored with a CPR playfield) , plus a giant box of Playboy parts.

When I saw that CPR said "..if you have a project Playboy machine to convert", I initially thought that it was a Playboy conversion. But when I saw that the drain hole and ball launch was different than my scrap Playboy playfield, I knew that it was going to be a disaster for most people.

I wonder how many people bought it thinking it was going to be a Playboy conversion?

#12 6 years ago

Actually the Flyer PDF does have the words "Reproduction Conversion Kit" in bold type at the very top. Either way it clearly states it's only the 3 major art pieces. Anybody that wants to attempt this already knows that this is a major league project as they would still need to mock up the main toy in the game; the projector/LCD. The point of my post was just a heads up to those that are actually going to attempt the conversion to be aware of different assemblies prior to drilling the pilot holes in the dimples or wondering why the slingshot heads won't fit through the pf slots.

When it really comes down to it, a lot of the bally assemblies can probably be reused, just with different mounting holes than what is dimpled for the original game. The main change is just the outhole coils/trough and apron. These parts are pretty readily available from any system 1 gottlieb pf and most of the late 70's EM's (just make sure to use SS switches if you use EM assemblies). I just sold a populated Sinbad pf for $40 and now wish I had it back. I know for a fact that the Bally flipper mechs fit into the game

Quoted from cichlid:

I wonder how many people bought it thinking it was going to be a Playboy conversion?

It still is a playboy conversion. You just need a couple more parts to finish it. There are 3 very important parts needed specifically from a playboy machine to make the conversion. the first is the lamp board in the head, the second is the metal lane guide on the right side of the playfield and the third and most important one is the wiring harness. Unless you want to cut and trim and extend all the necessary wires from a harness pulled from another game, using a playboy pf harness is the way to go. It will be unlikely that you will need custom coils to make it work, most of the bally coils should fit onto gottlieb assemblies, just not sure if the jumbo drop target coils are swappable.

I am not sure how needing to buying a handful of cheap Gottlieb parts equates to a disaster.

#13 6 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

I am not sure how needing to buying a handful of cheap Gottlieb parts equates to a disaster.

I was just being dramatic.

#14 6 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

Actually the Flyer PDF does have the words "Reproduction Conversion Kit" in bold type at the very top.

Quoted from cichlid:

When I saw that CPR said "..if you have a project Playboy machine to convert"

Quoted from cichlid:

I wonder how many people bought it thinking it was going to be a Playboy conversion?

100% of the people who contacted me about assembling this game for them thought that it was a Playboy conversion; based on the product description.

#15 6 years ago

I must admit I was on the fence about doing the conversion, this just tipped the scales. I bought a playboy with this in mind but not only for this reason it was mainly to get a better back glass to go with my CPR playfield on my current playboy. I have 2 CPR playfields and will certainly buy more and see no reason to blame them or accuse false advertising. I do appreciate the heads up before laying out the $$.

#16 6 years ago

Did you get any hits on the apron scan or the pops? I think there are also the odd red drop targets that I saw in at least one of the IPDB pics.

As a side note, I think that a custom set of cabinet stencils would be awesome. The grey crackle paint looks like crap.

#17 6 years ago

I might be interested in doing the LCD part of the project. How many people are really serious though? It would seem that the challenges associated with converting Playboy make this a novelty item at best.

#18 6 years ago

I am definitely doing the conversion and will need help with the LCD part. The red drop targets are just standard gottlieb drops and PBR has these. I have a source for the apron and bumper cap art. I can share this once I get them but that won't be for a few months as I have to finish up other projects first and collect all the gottlieb parts.

#19 6 years ago
Quoted from PinballMikeD:

I might be interested in doing the LCD part of the project. How many people are really serious though? It would seem that the challenges associated with converting Playboy make this a novelty item at best.

I've got one for sure in my shop, and 2 others that are leaning to have me convert.

#20 6 years ago

Kris,

I don't see the Gottlieb Red Drop Targets with a $ at PBR...are they listed under a game title and No Picture?

Quoted from kbliznick:

The red drop targets are just standard gottlieb drops and PBR has these.

#21 6 years ago
Quoted from Stu:

Kris,
I don't see the Gottlieb Red Drop Targets with a $ at PBR...are they listed under a game title and No Picture?

Not listed, just ask for them. I think the Gottlieb targets are only $3 without any hot stamps.

#22 6 years ago

Stu, Is there a sticker or a hot stamp on the red targets on your game? From the ipdb photos it looks like there might have been as "S" on each of the targets.

#23 6 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

I am definitely doing the conversion and will need help with the LCD part. The red drop targets are just standard gottlieb drops and PBR has these. I have a source for the apron and bumper cap art. I can share this once I get them but that won't be for a few months as I have to finish up other projects first and collect all the gottlieb parts.

Drop me a line once you get there. I still have some work to do on the CFTBL LCD, but hopefully the bulk of the developmental work will have been done with that MOD already.

#24 6 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

Stu, Is there a sticker or a hot stamp on the red targets on your game? From the ipdb photos it looks like there might have been as "S" on each of the targets.

I think it's a gold $ on each target.

#25 6 years ago

Kris, It's a Gold Hot Stamped " $ "

Quoted from kbliznick:

Stu, Is there a sticker or a hot stamp on the red targets on your game? From the ipdb photos it looks like there might have been as "S" on each of the targets.

#26 6 years ago

OK. looks like I need to buy a gold foil cartridge for my ALPS printer and I can repro the targets.

#27 6 years ago

Hi all

Just started collecting parts to fo conversion
Sounds like its no a exact one
Got a playboy, and CPR kit
Also just found original Akron cassettes with the pictures

Who can help with Apron art, LCD ??
Working on cabinet stencil kit

Thanks

Rob

#28 6 years ago
Quoted from PinballMikeD:

I might be interested in doing the LCD part of the project. How many people are really serious though? It would seem that the challenges associated with converting Playboy make this a novelty item at best.

If you do the LCD part, sign me up!

#29 6 years ago

I'm planning to go the LCD route too.

#30 6 years ago

Got an email from someone about the LCD, but accidentally deleted it (happy figures - sorry). Anyway, shoot me another email. However, I wouldn’t be able to work on this project until I get the creature LCD finished up and a few restorations out the door.

#31 6 years ago

OK, since converting a playboy isn't challenge enough, I am going to also buy a kit for myself and built one from scratch (or from scrap really).

I am doing one from a playboy for Matt, but in addition to that I will construct one completely out of spare parts.

I have a Kiss lower cabinet, with harness. I have a space invaders head and a supersonic head harness. PF wiring Harness will come from either of the Strikes and Spares or Supersonic playfields from the shed. Have boxes of boards to pull from, I think the only thing I am missing is a transformer.

Because the head is the two glass variety mine will be pseudo Sexy Girl Deluxe with the strobing lights behind the backglass as the inner glass frame is actually too small so the backglass will have to fit onto the outer frame. I'll have to drive the head strobe lamps with a gottlieb chase board as the playboy software doesn't support the chase lamps in the head.

I have several gottliebs parts playfields so I now have my gottlieb aprons, slingshots, pop bumper assemblies, flipper mechs, outhole mechs (from the saucer mechs on two MGOW playfields) Also got the upper left playfield shooter mech from the upper right of MGOW (there are none of these on system 1 games). Got a pair of 5 target EM drop target assemblies and just need to move the low voltage switches from the 4-drop assemblies from the MGOW's to these 5 target assemblies.

I think the last thing I need is the correct EM/system 1 trough/ramp components. If anybody has some of these on a scrap playfield that I could buy I would appreciate it. I could use 2 sets.

For the top of the playfield (and under pf switches) I have the wood rails and ball gates and wire guides from the other Bally playfields I mentioned. I may have to bend and cut a few custom shapes and the only thing I will have to fabricate is the metal ball guide on the right side of the pf behind the drops. Lamp sockets and plastic posts will be all new, but the rest of the hardware can again be scavenged from the bally or gottlieb playfields.

Can't wait to get started on this (have to finish a couple other projects first)

#32 6 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

Because the head is the two glass variety mine will be pseudo Sexy Girl Deluxe with the strobing lights behind the backglass as the inner glass frame is actually too small so the backglass will have to fit onto the outer frame.

I would probably just make a new head and keep the old one for another double backglass game.

You will probably find the strobing lights far too dim shining through a normal backglass.

#33 6 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I would probably just make a new head and keep the old one for another double backglass game.

You will probably find the strobing lights far too dim shining through a normal backglass.

You are probably right. Might have to scan the backglass and shrink it down and make a translight to fit into the inner frame.

#34 6 years ago

Shrinking the scan wont work as the Score/Credit Windows wont line up correctly....

#35 6 years ago
Quoted from Stu:

Shrinking the scan wont work as the Score/Credit Windows wont line up correctly....

Oh, yeah. Might have to photoshop it (or make a new light board and move the displays, then I could light up the back with LED strips,) otherwise I'll stick with the original plan and put the glass on the outside.

#36 6 years ago

There is a link on the "build a MM" thread that has a company with $50 brand new heads.

I'd just use the new head.

#37 6 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

There is a link on the "build a MM" thread that has a company with $50 brand new heads.
I'd just use the new head.

Can you repost the link here? Sounds too good to be true, plus shipping alone would be $50.

#38 6 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

Can you repost the link here? Sounds too good to be true, plus shipping alone would be $50.

Too hard to search with my stupid phone. I'll have to find it tomorrow when I'm at a real computer. The whole cab was $250.

Even if it was $150 it would be worth it to have the correct head, ready to assemble & paint.

You, I'm sure, know how many hours it takes to sand that lead paint, patch all the dents and holes with Bondo, fix any corner gaps, prime twice (so you don't see the places that got Bondoed).

I've got a sanding booth with containment that is rated for lead paint, and it still sucks to put on the bunny suit.

#39 6 years ago

Pop bumper body art is a standard Gottlieb pattern

pictured here but out of stock
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-13905-R

Steve Young has them at PBR (third one down)
http://www.pbresource.com/pfbumpb.htm

1 week later
#40 6 years ago

Sweet find Kris!

1 month later
#41 6 years ago

Almost ready to start on these. Have all the new parts, Have 2 cabinets stripped and almost ready to stencil (did find a Star Trek Head to use instead of the double glass one).

Rob, did you stencil yours yet?

Kris

3 months later
#42 6 years ago

Hi Kris

Here some pics of the work
Next week will post some finished ones
With art work

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4 weeks later
#43 5 years ago

first pass at the cabinet stencil artwork.Cabinet Stencil Concept art copy.jpg

#44 5 years ago
Quoted from kbliznick:

first pass at the cabinet stencil artwork.

Cabinet Stencil Concept art copy... 132 KB

Thank you for real tits on the women!

#45 5 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Too hard to search with my stupid phone. I'll have to find it tomorrow when I'm at a real computer. The whole cab was $250.

http://www.xtremepinball.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65

(sorry, I forgot all about this thread and thus never posted the link)

#46 5 years ago

For the Sexy Girl lovers
game is Done, here some Pics
what you think , retro enough ?

anybody interested in a set, send me a PM

more pics on Sunday

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#47 5 years ago

Great job making the cab art fit the era of the game!!

1 month later
#48 5 years ago

Beautiful! I want one.

#49 5 years ago

Here some more promised pictures

this one is truly one of its kind !

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#50 5 years ago

Nice work.

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