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Just for fun: Name that EM pinball game


By DirtFlipper

3 years ago



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    #1 3 years ago

    Here's your clue.

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    #2 3 years ago

    Gottlieb Wagontrain

    #3 3 years ago

    Years ago I found this old picture of a fair in the Netherlands. I think the picture has been taken in the late 40's early 50's. I could name most of the games on the picture. But what is that game right next to the Buccaneer? Who can name that game?

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    #4 3 years ago

    I'm going with 1947 Marvel Carnival. There are no pics available of that game but it's not 1948 Bally Carnival.

    #5 3 years ago

    Interesting, it looks like it says Carnival by Genco, it has a what looks like a Genco plunger but looking at it on the pinball database, it isn't the same. It has flipper buttons which would date it after '47 but they could be an added kit conversion. Cool pics, thanks for sharing.

    Steve

    #6 3 years ago

    I am pretty sure Reppie nailed your mystery game Dirt. I knew it was a woodrail with rollovers but once he named it I knew that had to be right.

    #7 3 years ago

    It was luck.. I just cleaned my Wagon Train this afternoon..
    I made a larger scan of the old picture.

    From left to right:
    Merry Widow Genco 1948
    Big Top Genco 1949
    Buccaneer Gottlieb 1948
    UNKNOWN GAME ?????
    Jack 'n Jill Gottlieb 1948
    Sharpshooter Gottlieb 1949
    Just 21 Gottlieb 1950
    Just 21 Gottlieb 1950

    And I don't recognize the last 3 games.

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    #8 3 years ago

    Just found this one on the IPDB:
    http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1545&picno=7368
    Backglass and cabinet art seem the same. Only the name is different. Did they make 2 versions of this game? Why?

    #9 3 years ago

    I'm pretty sure the second from the right is Barnacle Bill and the first and 3rd games from the right are "twins" so if someone can figure them out, you'll have the whole line up.

    Steve

    Quoted from reppie:

    It was luck.. I just cleaned my Wagon Train this afternoon..
    I made a larger scan of the old picture.
    From left to right:
    Merry Widow Genco 1948
    Big Top Genco 1949
    Buccaneer Gottlieb 1948
    UNKNOWN GAME ?????
    Jack 'n Jill Gottlieb 1948
    Sharpshooter Gottlieb 1949
    Just 21 Gottlieb 1950
    Just 21 Gottlieb 1950
    And I don't recognize the last 3 games.

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    #10 3 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    I'm going with 1947 Marvel Carnival. There are no pics available of that game but it's not 1948 Bally Carnival.

    Weird. Too similar to be a conversion. Maybe the export game had a different name?

    #11 3 years ago

    That explains what I thought I was seeing in the pics. It looked to me that the name had been added over the top of the original. Don't know why. Mardi Gras was a flipper game so my idea that it may be a kit is off the table too.

    Steve

    Quoted from reppie:

    Just found this one on the IPDB:
    http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1545&picno=7368
    Backglass and cabinet art seem the same. Only the name is different. Did they make 2 versions of this game? Why?

    #12 3 years ago

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    #13 3 years ago

    Cabinet paint looks to have a different color scheme as well.

    #14 3 years ago

    I have this picture framed on my wall for more than 10 years. Always wondered about that one game. The question now is did somebody get creative with that backglass and cabinet color scheme, or is it an alternative production version? Any thoughts?

    #15 3 years ago

    Guess the change of the name wasn't added then. Interesting, the Carnival may have indeed been made that way and was a sample game that showed up at the fair (I assume the fair was at or after '50). They might have changed the name to Mardi Gras because the name Carnival was used by Bally in '48, Mardi Gras production started in '48 too. I know Gottlieb would do a repaint of the cabinets when they made a art change to make it look a little different from the original.

    Steve

    #16 3 years ago

    Interesting view steve, I guess we'll know for sure if a Genco Carnival pops up somewhere..

    Quoted from blownfuse:

    Guess the change of the name wasn't added then. Interesting, the Carnival may have indeed been made that way and was a sample game that showed up at the fair (I assume the fair was at or after '50). They might have changed the name to Mardi Gras because the name Carnival was used by Bally in '48, Mardi Gras production started in '48 too. I know Gottlieb would do a repaint of the cabinets when they made a art change to make it look a little different from the original.

    Steve

    #17 3 years ago

    Sorry Dirt, Didn't want to hijack your thread..

    #18 3 years ago

    I don't think the first and third games from the right are Gottlieb's since they don't have the trademark black paint around the backbox frame like the Just 21's have from that era. If you look at the head on the third from the right, it appears to be the silhouette screening of an Indian or maybe Egyptian woman (if that helps anyone).

    Steve

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    #20 3 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    I am pretty sure Reppie nailed your mystery game Dirt. I knew it was a woodrail with rollovers but once he named it I knew that had to be right.

    yes, yes, although technically it's "Wagon Train"...

    #21 3 years ago

    that "Carnival" does look painted over top the "Mardi Gras" to me, rather than a screened glass. But hard to really tell.

    All good fun.

    #22 3 years ago
    Quoted from DirtFlipper:

    that "Carnival" does look painted over top the "Mardi Gras" to me, rather than a screened glass. But hard to really tell.

    A bit like Ice show is painted over Ice Revue?

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    #23 3 years ago

    Bingo! I think you found it. Now you have the whole line up (except the one to the far left that only shows a piece of the cabinet and the foreground right on the pedestal) , that would date your pic to around late '50-51.

    Steve

    #24 3 years ago
    Quoted from blownfuse:

    Bingo! I think you found it. Now you have the whole line up (except the one to the far left that only shows a piece of the cabinet and the foreground right on the pedestal) , that would date your pic to around late '50-51.

    Steve

    Steve , I couldn't have done it without you man.. Thanks!

    #25 3 years ago
    Quoted from blownfuse:

    Guess the change of the name wasn't added then. Interesting, the Carnival may have indeed been made that way and was a sample game that showed up at the fair (I assume the fair was at or after '50). They might have changed the name to Mardi Gras because the name Carnival was used by Bally in '48, Mardi Gras production started in '48 too.
    Steve

    To add to the mystery, the original backglass artwork for Bally's 1948 Carnival was called "Mardi Gras":

    http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=455&picno=56525&zoom=2

    #26 3 years ago

    Wow, such a cool piece of art. I wasn't familiar with Lester Hilbrich.

    #27 3 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    Wow, such a cool piece of art. I wasn't familiar with Lester Hilbrich.

    His son contacted me a few years back, said his garage had a lot of his Dad's pinball art. What he sent are in these listings:

    http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?searchtype=advanced&ppl=Lester%20Hilbrich

    #28 3 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    I wasn't familiar with Lester Hilbrich.

    neither was I.
    His work is on par (or better) with Parker and Moletin.

    #29 3 years ago

    I like those games on the pedestal without legs. I imagine that was round and they just put a bunch of machines in a circle. Pretty neat.

    #30 3 years ago

    If you look closely at the pic, you can see that the 3 games on the pedestal are all the same. I'm not sure what type of game they are either. With the thicker rails, they may be some sort of gambling games. That would be a good reason to put them on a pedestal like that, so you couldn't shake them.

    Steve

    Quoted from dmbjunky:

    I like those games on the pedestal without legs. I imagine that was round and they just put a bunch of machines in a circle. Pretty neat.

    #31 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinwiztom:

    neither was I.
    His work is on par (or better) with Parker and Moletin.

    Really wonderful art. Truly talented. I'd never heard of him either.

    #32 3 years ago

    Name the games on this postcard

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    #33 3 years ago

    Target Pool
    Sing Along

    Don't know the one in the corner.

    #34 3 years ago

    Corner one might be Airport?

    #35 3 years ago

    Yup, looks like "Airport".

    #36 3 years ago

    And a Midway Stunt Pilot in the other corner..

    #38 3 years ago

    I will guess Lawman?

    #39 3 years ago

    I guess you're right!

    #40 3 years ago

    Confirming as I repaired one recently.

    #41 3 years ago

    Ok, I've got one. I found this old post card at a thrift store a few years back. It's shows the "recreation room" at Maple Grove Resort in Land O'Lakes Wi. There is a machine in the far left. I have already identified it but let's see how you do. The postcard is a bit dark and grainy but that just adds to the challenge.

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    #42 3 years ago

    Wms Golden Bells

    #43 3 years ago

    Yes! Dang that was fast. It took me longer than that.

    #44 3 years ago

    Looks like a Bally bumper pool table in the middle too.

    #45 3 years ago

    Ok Dirt, what's the year and model of the pool table.

    #46 3 years ago
    Quoted from AlexF:

    Ok Dirt, what's the year and model of the pool table.

    Haven't any idea.

    #47 3 years ago

    Me neither.

    100 year old Brunswick is as close as my research took me.

    http://www.oldpooltables.com/catalogdetail.asp?absid=31

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    #48 3 years ago

    Cool post card Alex. Reminds me of your place

    #49 3 years ago

    Ha, thanks man. Mine's not quite that rustic. I wish this place was still around. It reminds me of places we would stay at up North as a kid.

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    #50 3 years ago

    Can you name the games on the left?
    A picture of an amusement park in Melbourne, Australia....mid 1960s
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