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Just came across this... (news about John Trudeau)

By bangerjay

6 years ago


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    #61 6 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    I'm sure the police are careful in their investigation. If they are wrong, they just ruined an innocent man's life.

    I'm taking no sides on this thread but.... This is a totally ignorant statement. how many people exonerated with DNA evidence so far that the police did 'careful investigation' on?

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    #119 6 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    They had to get a search warrant.
    In order to do that, they needed to present evidence to a judge.
    Trudeau is still sitting in jail.

    Which is any different from exonerated people released from 30+ years of imprisonment.... How... Exactly?

    Stuff like this is exactly why his life is over regardless of the outcome. If it goes to trial, all they have to do to get a conviction is show that mug shot, and guys like you will step up and say 'he wouldn't have been arrested if he wasn't guilty' and 95 percent of the jury will be ready to convict before the opening statements are done. There's no justice in that, and regardless of charges I won't support the views of anyone that says otherwise. If it gets past a grand jury, where the state has to show a compelling amount of evidence to move forward with prosecution, then there is a whole discussion to be had. Until then, you don't really know WHAT has gone on and making any assumptions isn't very wise. Even if it never goes to trial his pinball career is over. Even if it goes to trial and somehow he is judged not guilty his career in pinball is over.

    #122 6 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    For sure.
    I draw the line at 5 counts personally.

    I'm pretty sure her point was that illegal materials are more prolific than people care to admit. Those images that aren't clearly illegal could make their way to otherwise legal aggregation porn sites and if not flagged in a timely manner by the users... Those aggregators don't give two fucks when the money is coming in. If the 'counts' are PER Image, you don't think it's plausible that he was browsing whatever and there could be two images downloaded that might not appear illegal but actually are? Mmmkay. You know it's one thing to make an assumption if it was known 'oh hey these are six year olds' but again... Do we have that information? Do you?

    But sure. Insult my wife and my family, and pretend that you were too stupid to divine that on your own.

    #126 6 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Oh whole lot of ifs, buts, and other irrelevant word salad there frax.
    Here's a non-hypothetical - JT is sitting there in the can charged with two counts of kiddie porn, which contrary to some suggestions is actually quite a lot.
    We all know he's "innocent until proven guilty" but thanks for reminding us. We will all be paying attention to what happens from here on but I don't think your pseudo-legal hypothetical manifesto is gonna calm anybody down at this point.

    But I'm sure your incessant need to troll certainly will.

    #133 6 years ago

    Exactly dude. If it turns out he's guilty, then by all means throw everything ya got...

    #217 6 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    That's a real cheap shot dude. How am I supposed to know Who you are married to? I don't know a single thing about you except that you think you are as a good at pinball as Colin.
    Anyway, please let me know when it's ok to "tar and feather the guy". Ill wait patiently.

    You would've said something differently had you known? I doubt that, and honestly I'd rather think that you posted a genuine thought rather than some manicured thing anyways. I've mentioned that she's my wife many times and AFAIK there are no other women from Dallas TX that post here. The one other one I know of of that used to hasn't made a post here in quite possibly years. There might be a third depending on who really runs the TPF user account LMAO

    I might think you're a dick a lot of the time, as no doubt you do of me, but I don't think you're an idiot and I do think this kind she phrased what she said so poorly that the intent wasn't clear, so.... That's all I'm saying. Points rolling in from people that know more about how these cases work is going to keep on rolling in, and it doesn't look good. Even I have to admit in light of that, its looking bad. Epically disappointed in the damage these people keep causing to the pinball community. Skit b, jpop, Dutch, now this too..... It's f'ed up and sad.

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    #221 6 years ago
    Quoted from DBLM:

    Let's be real clear on this: NO IMAGES OF CHILD PORN ARE ACCEPTABLE. Zero. Anything greater than the number 0 makes you a scumbag. It is up to the courts to determine if John did something wrong and he is entitled to due process.

    It's not acceptable to be a [removed] and distort what someone else said either. There wasn't any question of that. Stop being dumb. Thanks.

    #299 6 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    I deal in a factual world. They confiscated his computer.
    If I'm on the jury and they show images on his computer, he's guilty. If there are no images, then they will dismiss all charges.
    In order for the police to get a warrant, they must show probable cause. They must have something, otherwise, they couldn't get a warrant.
    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/search-warrant-basics-29742.html

    You're still changing the subject by trying to ask something entirely different. Nothing you are saying is 'things that only have ever happened to guilty people.' I'm putting you on ignore. Not because I have an issue with making this point third time, but because you aren't going to listen and will just keep throwing up strawman arguments and have no desire to have an actual logical debate. And if there is one thing I won't tolerate, it's repeating myself ad infinitum.

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    #338 6 years ago
    Quoted from Pinphila:

    Close this thread. Enough. Debate this disgusting behavior elsewhere.

    Drain the thread and stop telling everyone else what to do.

    Pinside long ago gave you the tools to sanitize your own existence. Use them or not...not anyone else's problem.

    #340 6 years ago
    Quoted from thearcadegeek:

    I have no idea how compensation packages work for pinball designers, but there is a lot of talk in this thread about not wanting old Trudeau pins anymore. I can see Stern taking GB off their line for good. Are there any other games that could potentially have a financial benefit for the guy?

    I'm sure soon as they finish one game, maybe before, they're already working on the next. Though, it's kind of a pinball trope that there are several games where for whatever reason or another a second designer took over and saw the project through to completion.

    #403 6 years ago
    Quoted from drinkduffbeers:

    Bloody hell. I'll not be visiting the states anytime soon. Frightening stuff

    A wise choice.

    #479 6 years ago
    Quoted from KHL:

    "Musicians"

    More like "Merchandisers"

    #563 6 years ago
    Quoted from Hazoff:

    Jeffery Dahmer didn't design ur fridge, if he did you would probably think about it differently, wow the comments on this are just amazing too me, I can't believe it. If you let ur kids play a GB pin after this with the man being charged and sentenced that is of course ur choice but I couldn't, personal lives absolutely matter.

    I'm sorry, but if you think in any way I'm going to tell my 7 year old *why* he can't play a game that's been on location for half a year at our league nights, that he's already been playing for months.... well, I'm not going to type it, because I'd get banned for it, so I guess I'll just say that I find your logic a big, fat FAILBOAT.

    #854 6 years ago

    Personally, even though I have a very intense dislike of Ritchie, my opinion is that people should just leave him out of this. He's not the kind of guy that strikes me as NORMALLY willing to cover up or mince things he's said previously, so the fact that he thought the post was worth deleting should say quite a lot in my opinion. I know I personally only ever delete things I've said when I feel like I've really screwed up. You can't fault the guy for having a moment of clarity and then resolving it as he saw fit.

    #887 6 years ago
    Quoted from vanilla:

    labor union and a process and in that process is where the justice would be found.

    Union justice...lol...

    The only thing the union has done in the nearly 10 years I've been in my current job is to keep people who didn't do their work in their jobs, and waste my time coming around every so often thinking I give a crap about which one of those lazy f's gets elected to be treasuer. Joke is on them, I vote for the people that DON'T harass me at my desk. I haven't had an actual legitimate raise in 6 years. Some of those years I've actually taken pay CUTS. I dunno about other unions, but the CWA is a friggin' JOKE.

    #1222 6 years ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Ill stick to thinking children are cute, precious and innocent.

    Spoken like someone that hasn't had to deal with kids for 10+ years yet.

    #1268 6 years ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Here you go. Check out those ears.

    I think you missed the point. I'm a terrible judge of age, but that kid ain't 10. You're still living in "parental fantasy land" where everything is rainbows and candy. You'll figure out what I mean in another few years, LOL.

    #1281 6 years ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    My kids are 21 and 18

    Maybe I have you mistaken for someone else then. My bad. I'm absolutely horrid at Guess Who...

    Quoted from zr11990:

    I'm and asshole and she isn't speaking to me.

    That's pretty much the 'tude I get from the 13 year old any time he doesn't want to do something.

    #1315 6 years ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Wtf, why does that make it any better? Why do you feel the need to imply that its ok.
    He's an old man.
    I don't give a F how you define it.

    I'm not entirely sure the point Vid was trying to get at, because if any or all of the pictures were of a 17 year old, that's under federal guidlines as illegal no matter what...so....

    Other than the fact that age of consent in Illinois is 17, you don't find it odd that we tell people that they're perfectly capable of making the decision to have sexual contact, which could have extremely drastic consequences on their immediate health, yet tell them that they can't make the decision to participate in photography or recording of the same?

    It's kinda like the "You can vote and smoke and go die for us at 18, but NO ALCOHOL FOR YOU UNTIL YOU'RE 21 BECAUSE....UM.....WE SAID SO."

    Believe I stated in a prior post that I think the ideal solution to this paradox is for these things to be put to a nationwide standard, where both age of consent AND right to participate in video/photography of sexual acts is 100% in lockstep. Then there wouldn't be this weird ambiguous zone for people to argue over. Either it's legal or it's not, end of story. This point wouldn't even exist in most other countries, because they don't have states. Regardless of your own personal view on it, if the interaction between two people is consensual, and at the age of consent or above...who the F are you to judge? Hell, even here on these very boards prior to the 'no risque pictures' rule, we had old men ogling vastly younger women *ALL THE BLOODY TIME*?! Hypocrites galore. I'm sure once ya'll turn 70, you'll eat some gluten, and your dick will just rocket off into space and your sex lives will be over, and you'll never be attracted to an 18 year old again, right?

    Heaton kind of beat me to the point, but I'm trying to present it in a slightly less LULZ manner.. though I gotta say the cannibalism response was one of the funniest things I've seen on here.

    Quoted from jgentry:

    No, it would make you a gross, dirty old man. I'm 38 and I can't tell the difference in a 16-20 year old and all of them look like little kids to me.

    So your ineptitude is grounds for everyone else to fall in line with your personal views?

    I guess in your world, I shouldn't even exist, because my dad was like 15 years older than my mom.

    #1369 6 years ago
    Quoted from mcluvin:

    Somewhat off topic, but you did mention dick. Did you folks know, if you are overweight, then lose weight, your dick gets bigger? It's true.

    What in the actual f.....

    Quoted from jgentry:

    what the heck is a 35 year old going to have in common with a 20 year old in today's time.

    League of Legends. Overwatch. Anime (hell I'll even just say animation in general. Stuff like Adventure Time and Rick and Morty have managed to cut across age divisions amazingly well.)...there's plenty of ways to find common ground BUUUUUUT....

    Quoted from vicjw66:

    At what point does a beautiful sexually mature 18 year old woman become ugly to you guys?

    About the time anyone tries to have an intelligent conversation with them. They just open their mouth, words come out, but all that is heard is "DERP DERP DERP NO LIFE EXPERIENCE DERP DUH DERP HIPSTERY STUFF" 99% of the time. It's not attractive, to the point that I won't even actively try to be friends with people in that age range, even if there's some kind of common interest, unless they've demonstrated mental capability exceeding the typical average.

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