Too much ambiguity in the law for me to agree with that. Examples? Eighteen year old kid takes consensual pictures of him/herself with their sixteen year old girlfriend. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/07/sexting.busts/ Two sixteen year olds in North Carolina takes pictures and video of themselves and the files are found on one of their phones. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/21/n-c-just-prosecuted-a-teenage-couple-for-making-child-porn-of-themselves/?utm_term=.8756a769e761

Given the choice, I'd personally define child porn as any non-consensual image/video taken, with the caveat that ability to consent legally being dependent on the age involved. If the legal system is going to charge a fifteen or sixteen year old as an adult with a crime, then they should have the legal ability to consent to pornography.

I hope this is sourted out but I like his games,gb,mustang,Jd,cftbl,are all super fun games,and remember pinside is not the only place you can sell pins and most people out there don't even have a clue about who designed the games,even so he was just a part of the process,lots of others involved,code,sound,ect that are needed to bring the game to life.

No way. I had no idea where this thread was going and then I clicked that link and my mouth just got the floor. No way

Man, horrible news. He was such a cool guy when he lead our tour 2 years ago at the Stern factory durring Expo. Hope it's all a misunderstanding.

You bring up thoughtful points and with technology and society norms being where they are things become tricky (i,e; teens sexting, etc). However, we have a very different situation in this case where a much older person could potentially have access to this type of material. It is one thing for an 18 yo to have pics of a 16 yo girlfriend; a much different story for a 69 year old man to have the same pictures. As myself and others have said, it will be up to the courts to decide what is really the situation here.

I will let the courts figure it out before passing ANY personal judgement.

Pretty sad to see so many here making personal attacks. I understand that many of you have kids and this strikes home in an emotional way, but until the facts come out we all know nothing.

That thought just occurred to me Whysnow. Both are fkn terrible. I do have kids and they are both grown up now..... It would be a pipe and a blow torch if it happened in our family.

Just want to make sure I am reading this right based on what you are typing...

Child porn = bad
Homosexual child porn = worse

?

If this is what you are saying then there is NO room for your bigotry here.

ALL child porn = bad
The sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Please take your bigotry and hate elsewhere.

Close this thread. Enough. Debate this disgusting behavior elsewhere.

Agree! BTW, I'm selling my Congo and my CftBL, and JD is no longer on my wishlist!

As far as I'm concerned, he can join this sucker in hell!

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Your not. Its all sick.

wow this thread is going very far now.

This is like the producer of your favorite band was hit with the same charges. Are you going to stop enjoying listening to that band's music because someone who had a hand in creating and shaping their sound is a pedophile?

Why would anyone stop playing or not buy a game he designed? That doesn't make any sense at all.

100 percent agree. Regardless of the out's.e we will get another price increase.

If your criteria is that you will not partake in things created by people who collect child pornography, then realize that there have also been (lower level) animators at some pretty big companies that were arrested and convicted, so a lot of bigger animated movies from the 90's are also out for you. There are unfortunately a LOT of people who you wouldn't realize are involved in some pretty damaging activities. You just don't always hear about the arrests unless there's something particularly newsworthy about it or unless you happen to be close to a specific community.

This is a good post. Thank you for offering a difference in opinion without getting nasty and being able to make a valid point. That being said, my post reflected my opinion which also had a disclaimer within it, stating I do not condemn others for thier opinions. I don't want to dive to deep into the exploits of child porn hobbyists... (I've personally known people affected here) but this sickens me to such a level that I could not enjoy the judge dredd I mentioned. This extends beyond pinball, I posted my feelings in here as this is relavent place for my previous comment, but if it were the frontman of my favorite band the posters would come down and cd's would be in the trash. If it were Colonel Sanders I wouldn't be eating that chicken anymore.. it's a personal protest. I'd never think less of anyone with one of his games, but again I won't own any.

Agreed. As SR puts it a machine is a huge collaboration, he hates when everyone gives him all the credit. Watch from 1:14:15s...

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/164473503

I love my GB today just as much as I did yesterday.

No way though can Stern release Iron Maiden with Trudeau's name on it. No way.

Really???

Why the pictures broadcast by the police show people under arrest whose image is not at all to their advantage? They are guilty by advance...at least to the people eyes...what is the aim, isn't it?

In produces shows - the folks who ARE NOT blurred out are guilty after court. The episode airs long after the people on those shows went to court. The ones who's faces are blurred ended up being innocent. (You don't SEE those, becuase they're then edited out and not used in the show at all.) Called post-editing.

Sorry I didn't understand and what is the link with what I said. Certainly coz of my average English.

l'image des photos de ces personnes lors de leur arrestation est déplorable, ils ont tous l'air de personnes dépravées, dangereuses, camées etc
ils ont tous l'air coupable aux yeux de l'opinion publique avant meme d'être jugées. C'est peut être le but de la manœuvre. On a tous été choqué ici par l'image de DSK.

You are obviously the person who can look past this fact. However, if John is the designer for any upcoming release, I can assure you Stern will take a different point of view and not release it under his name.

If you are happy to tell your friends and family who play your pinball that a pedophile was the designer but oh wait, lots of others helped create it, then go right ahead. To each their own but for my stance I will have no affiliation with any pedophile no matter how big or small a part he played in making the pinball.

Tilted81 says it best and completely agree with his comments and opinion.

And I respect your choice and do not think any less of you. We all have our limits and especialy when you have been directly touch and affected by a situation. Alot of people here have a big mouth and it's really easy to go over the top when you are far far away and are missing that non verbal part of communication. A problem we all have communicating with today social medias.

I don't support what he is being charged with

But I am sure we play games designed by

Conman
Crack addicts
Drunks

Does that mean we support those actions by keeping those games.

Let the courts do their job.

What's even more stupid is you using the avatar of the rapist caracter in ninja scroll to post in this thread. Sorry had to say it, never understood why you use Tessai but to each his own. I would have hold myself a little but with everything I read from you lately you seem big and loud enough to take it.

I personally will not be selling my GB Premium because of this situation. I like the game, I like the company that makes the game, and I will not deprive myself of something I like because of one persons stupidity.

Building machines is a team effort. His actions IMO do not reflect Stern or all the other good hardworking people that made this game.

Many may not agree with me but to punish a group as a whole ( or myself ) instead of the person........ is totally off the wall.

Maybe for some a conman or crack addict designer is their breaking point. No one here is telling another what to buy or not buy, it's personal opinions.

Having a drunk design my game, no worries, I usually drink while playing pin.

Without going into the unsavoury details of the alleged crime, which others have discussed enough ....

... this again raises the very real problem of a very small pool of aged designers, particularly at the industry leader Stern.

Whether guilty or innocent, this likely eliminates the tenure of one of Stern and the industry's top guys, even if I didn't care for most of his recent games at all.

Their other guys, save for Elwin (who is totally unproven at a commercial project level) are mostly pushing 70 and some of them have fairly poor health.

The 'young bucks' of the industry are in their mid 50s - Balcer, Gomez.

Pinball may be on an upward tangent sales wise, but what happens if 3 or 4 of the 'legends' retire due to ill health, because they've had enough after a long career, or die?

I think our immediate hope should be that JJP's new, young designer knocks it out of the park on his next game. If it's a failure, JJP, Stern and others might 'minimise risk' on new talent, maximising the risk that they have no-one to design new machines in a few years.

JT is a good designer. He may have made some bad choices. I will say a prayer for him and his family.

There are great young designers working in the P-Roc environment. Scott Danesi (TNA) and Scott Gullick (WOOLY) for example.

?? Trudeau had GOTG. Borg has Iron Maiden from my understanding.....

That there may be. But a large, big budget company has yet to take the risk on inexperienced or 'unproven' talent.

JJP #4 is the first. Hence why we should hope it's a good one.

Also, organic development of talent is all well and good at the hobby level, but the 'giants' of pinball have a responsibility to both the industry and their shareholders to develop and foster new talent. WMS, Bally & Gottlieb took on young guys to learn the trade, back in the day, and most of today's legends were once those apprentices. Father time cannot be escaped.

It's very simple why. Just like arenas no longer play Gary glitter song during a goal... they don't want to support a sick person who targets children. You don't think the other people who played in that song with no record are left out? It sucks but that song is tarnished.

That being said I wouldn't take it that far but understand why some might

Drain the thread and stop telling everyone else what to do.

Pinside long ago gave you the tools to sanitize your own existence. Use them or not...not anyone else's problem.

I have no idea how compensation packages work for pinball designers, but there is a lot of talk in this thread about not wanting old Trudeau pins anymore. I can see Stern taking GB off their line for good. Are there any other games that could potentially have a financial benefit for the guy aside from Iron Maiden?

I'm sure soon as they finish one game, maybe before, they're already working on the next. Though, it's kind of a pinball trope that there are several games where for whatever reason or another a second designer took over and saw the project through to completion.

I think my ability to enjoy something connected to any act of notoriety likely comes down to how much I'd associate that "something" to the act. A clown painting by John Wayne Gacy...no thanks. However, for me personally, I rarely think about the designer when playing a game. When I do it's mostly making connections with the designer's other game. Something like..."Damn, those outlanes are brutal. Who designed this?". The designer is very much secondary to the game itself. Whatever the outcome in this case, this will not affect my ability to enjoy machines associated with John Trudeau.

Ugh. Like to think there is a misunderstanding but not looking good. I don't see any point to unload games he worked on in the past. It's not like he was solely responsible for creating those games and he does not benefit from 2nd hand trades. I am a little sad we will probably not see any more games designed by him. I didn't like all his games but did like how he tried to do things a bit different. I wonder if Stern will have any statements or scrap projects he was working on. I don't know if they could just tweak his design and give credit to another designer.

Being accused is not evidence of guilt.
Being arrested is not evidence of guilt.

This thread so far has no information suggesting he is guilty.

After you evaluate the evidence then you can make an informed decision about whether he did anything wrong. Until then it's just speculation.

Bad Choices. Is that how you would describe it. Alrighty then. That has to be the biggest understatement of the year. Say a prayer for the victims and their families while you are at it.

Speculation?

- search warrant issued
- computer taken by police
- arrested
- sitting in jail waiting a bond hearing

Police don't accidentally arrest someone in cases like this.

This isn't a case where DNA evidence will exonerate someone. The police were obviously watching his ISP address.

Seriously. Wtf?

It really is time to shut this one down until he pleads out or mounts an "it was research" defense. Enough already. This thread is going around and around in one extremely stupifying circle.

You're right. Probably a good idea.

I was about to post the exact same thing. Also have to remember that probable cause was needed for a judge to issue a search warrant. It's not like they knocked on his door in a fishing expedition. There was most likely distribution or solicitation that gave the police reason to look further into it.

That is exactly why I put the emoji at the end of my statement.

^^Exactly^^

With what was said above, the authorities are already at: beyond a reasonable doubt.