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Just came across this... (news about John Trudeau)


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    #1201 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    I think too many assumptions are being made here.

    I think there are too many assumptions being made to downplay the seriousness of the charges.

    #1202 1 year ago
    Quoted from sevenrites:

    I think there are too many assumptions being made to downplay the seriousness of the charges.

    I'm not saying it's not serious. I'm just saying there aren't enough facts to make any types of judgements towards him.

    #1203 1 year ago

    Not saying the average person's closet skeletons approach anything like what JT is accused of, but:

    Todd Rundgren
    Cast The First Stone

    I had a vicious thought, a vicious thought
    Like you never had a vicious thought before
    Like you never in your life had a vicious thought before
    Not once in your life
    Cast the first stone, cast the first stone
    Let the righteous among you cast the first stone

    I told a pointless lie, a pointless lie
    Like you never told a pointless lie before
    To make yourself look good, you never told a pointless lie before
    Not once in your life

    I did a half-assed job, a half-assed job
    Like you never in your life did a half-assed job

    I was a fool for a kiss, a fool for a kiss
    Like you never in your life was a fool for a kiss

    Please do not complain to me of moral relativity
    Spitefulness induces me to go on with the litany
    Please do not complain to me of moral relativity
    The crimes of others you deplore
    But of yourself, you don't keep score

    I did a sickening thing, a sickening thing
    Like you never did a sickening thing before
    Like your body never made you do a sickening thing before

    I cursed an evil god, an evil god
    Like you never cursed an evil god before
    Like you never in your life cursed an evil god before

    I screwed over a friend, I screwed over a friend
    Like you never in your life screwed over a friend

    I had a pompous attitude, a pompous attitude
    Like you never in your life had a pompous attitude

    source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/t/toddrundgrenlyrics/castthefirststonelyrics.html

    #1204 1 year ago

    It always amazes me with how sentencing for child pornography works. Most I've seen are very short (less than several years). I guess it depends on a lot of factors like judge, previous offences, type of offence charged with etc. I'm assuming possession of pics/vids is a degree less than being a pedophile in the eyes of the law - for instance Jerad from Subway.

    #1205 1 year ago

    This is a song lyric thread now?

    Here's another one about a misunderstood gentleman, by ray Davies!

    Sunday afternoon there's something special
    It's just like another world
    Jogging in the park is my excuse
    To look at all the little girls
    I'm not a flasher in a rain coat,
    I'm not a dirty old man,
    I'm not gonna snatch you from your mother,
    I'm an art lover
    Come to daddy,
    Ah, come to daddy,
    Come to daddy
    Pretty little legs, I want to draw them,
    Like a Degas ballerina
    Pure white skin, like porcelain,
    She's a work of art and I should know
    I'm an art lover
    Come to daddy,
    And I'll give you some spangles
    Little girl don't notice me
    Watching as she innocently plays
    She can't see me staring at her
    Because I'm always wearing shades
    She feeds the ducks, looks at the flowers
    I follow her around for hours and hours
    I'd take her home, but that could never be,
    She's just a substitute
    For what's been taken from me
    Ah, come to daddy, come on
    Sunday afternoon can't last forever,
    Wish I could take you home
    So, come on, give us a smile
    Before you vanish out of view
    I've learned to appreciate you
    The way art lovers do,
    And I only want to look at you

    #1206 1 year ago
    Quoted from hAbO:

    It always amazes me with how sentencing for child pornography works. Most I've seen are very short (less than several years). I guess it depends on a lot of factors like judge, previous offences, type of offence charged with etc. I'm assuming possession of pics/vids is a degree less than being a pedophile in the eyes of the law - for instance Jerad from Subway.

    I agree, but it because it is considered a "Non-Person" crime, meaning the person simply in possession did not victimize anyone and is just looking at pictures. I don't agree with that one bit, but it is the way our system treats it.

    #1207 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    I think too many assumptions are being made here. It could have been pictures of his small granddaughter running around in her diaper and the police decided to call that child porn.

    Given the police got a warrant from a judge, they know he's been going to sites that traffic in child porn.

    #1208 1 year ago

    Where would one go to find child porn. You can just search child porn on the search engine, can you. You gotta be a sick bastard to be into that. I don't get how someones mind would work to think that shit is OK.

    #1209 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Where would one go to find child porn. You can just search child porn on the search engine, can you. You gotta be a sick bastard to be into that. I don't get how someones mind would work to think that shit is OK.

    Same places you go to find drugs or other illegal shit. the dark web.

    #1210 1 year ago
    Quoted from Richthofen:

    Same places you go to find drugs or other illegal shit. the dark web.

    Makes sense. Ill stick to thinking children are cute, precious and innocent.

    #1211 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    How does it work?

    The first "count" might be "possession of child pornography" (meaning it's found in the memory of a computer you possess). That could be one image, or it could be 1,000. Still just a single count.

    The second "count" might be "distribution of child pornography" (meaning you sent images to someone else, either actively through email or passively by "sharing" them through an FTP or torrent program). Again, could be one image, or it could be 1,000.

    Note that these are hypotheticals, I don't want to do any research on this case as it's just depressing. Point is, you cannot draw conclusions about the severity of an alleged crime based on the number of counts charged.

    -2
    #1212 1 year ago
    Quoted from Richthofen:

    Given the police got a warrant from a judge, they know he's been going to sites that traffic in child porn.

    Just because the police got a warrant from a judge does not mean he was going to child porn sites. There could be other evidence that caused the judge to grant the warrant. And if they did only find 2 pics (this is from the assumption that there was only 2 counts charged) it doesn't sound to me like someone that is regularly visiting the child porn sites. Now he could be deleting the pics and cleaning up his browser cache after visiting them. Or maybe he was taking the pictures himself. I don't know. The news story did not give any details except that they had a warrant to search and he was charged with 2 counts. Not near enough details to know what really happened. If he is going to child porn sites or taking the pictures I'm all for punishing him. But I've seen enough trumped up charges to know that it is not always as it seems.

    #1213 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    And if they did only find 2 pics (this is from the assumption that there was only 2 counts charged) it doesn't sound to me like someone that is regularly visiting the child porn sites.

    See my post immediately above yours (as well as a few other times in this thread where it's been explained). Two counts ≠ two images.

    #1214 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    And the story says he was charged with 2 counts which I believe means 2 pictures were found. That hardly sounds like someone addicted to child porn with only 2 pictures.

    Wrong and wrong.

    https://www.facebook.com/GlendaleHeightsPolice/photos/a.581954428655137.1073741828.580531678797412/710908645759714/?type=3&theater

    #1215 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    The first "count" might be "possession of child pornography" (meaning it's found in the memory of a computer you possess). That could be one image, or it could be 1,000. Still just a single count.
    The second "count" might be "distribution of child pornography" (meaning you sent images to someone else, either actively through email or passively by "sharing" them through an FTP or torrent program). Again, could be one image, or it could be 1,000.
    Note that these are hypotheticals, I don't want to do any research on this case as it's just depressing. Point is, you cannot draw conclusions about the severity of an alleged crime based on the number of counts charged.

    No, distribution would be a different charge, not a second count of possession - they are separate crimes. However you are correct that two counts don't mean it was just two images. It also states that they were videos that were discovered during the search.

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    #1216 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    See my post immediately above yours (as well as a few other times in this thread where it's been explained). Two counts ≠ two images.

    Here is a cut directly from the news article posted in the first post:

    Trudeau, who was present during the search, was arrested and charged with two counts of possession of child pornography, police said.

    It says charged with 2 counts of possession. It does not say distributing.

    See quote from article above. I am not wrong with what it says he was charged with.

    -2
    #1217 1 year ago
    Quoted from bobukcat:

    No, distribution would be a different charge, not a second count of possession - they are separate crimes. However you are correct that two counts don't mean it was just two images. It also states that they were videos that were discovered during the search.

    The news article posted in post 1 does not mention videos.

    #1218 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    See quote from article above. I am not wrong with what it says he was charged with.

    Now see again, you are wrong and read the police information flyer. Forget articles written by reporters who don't review all the facts before they rush out stories.

    #1219 1 year ago
    Quoted from DeathHimself:

    Now see again, you are wrong and read the police information flyer. Forget articles written by reporters who don't review all the facts before they rush out stories.

    Where are you getting your facts from? Please post a link to the new information you found saying he was charged with more.

    #1221 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    I am not wrong with what it says he was charged with.

    Check the PD Facebook post that DeathHimself posted: "seized computer equipment ... which contained numerous computerized files depicting child pornography."

    Assuming they're using "numerous" in the traditional sense, that means they found lots of files, not just two.

    #1222 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Ill stick to thinking children are cute, precious and innocent.

    Spoken like someone that hasn't had to deal with kids for 10+ years yet.

    #1223 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Assuming they're using "numerous" in the traditional sense, that means they found lots of files, not just two.

    Correct, and files can be photos or videos but they didn't specify which.

    #1224 1 year ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Check the PD Facebook post that DeathHimself posted: "seized computer equipment ... which contained numerous computerized files depicting child pornography."

    Assuming they're using "numerous" in the traditional sense, that means they found lots of files, not just two.

    Sorry I did not see that post. I wasn't about to read through the 1000+ posts of this. Maybe I should have.

    #1225 1 year ago
    Quoted from kguenther6:

    Sorry I did not see that post. I wasn't about to read through the 1000+ posts of this. Maybe I should have.

    LOL don't blame you.

    #1226 1 year ago
    Quoted from DeathHimself:

    LOL don't blame you.

    Wow... I see that was even posted in a post that I commented on and just didn't read it all. I need to quit goofing off at work so I'm not putting my foot in mouth and get back to work. Sorry Pinside. I'm going back to work

    #1227 1 year ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    Spoken like someone that hasn't had to deal with kids for 10+ years yet.

    See my avatar, that lives with me. She is a stinker but she is precious to me.

    #1228 1 year ago

    Here you go. Check out those ears.

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    #1231 1 year ago
    Quoted from Tucks:

    as rare as rocking horse sh*t

    I've never heard that expression before, but it sure is a funny one!!!!!

    #1232 1 year ago

    Oh, my! She is almost an exact duplicate of my granddaughter in face, smile and hair!!! Absolutely beautiful!!!

    Mike in Kentucky

    #1233 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    See my avatar, that lives with me. She is a stinker but she is precious to me.

    Thank god she looks like her mother!

    What a cutie!

    #1234 1 year ago

    A few days ago I wanted to burn my GB game (after removing boards/coils) After realizing and thinking it through I may keep it. So many talented people worked on the game even Ernie Hudson.

    #1235 1 year ago

    So much hopeful thinking on one side, and judgement on the other.

    #1236 1 year ago

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    #1237 1 year ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    Here you go. Check out those ears.

    Dude! Cute kid. But posting the pics in a thread discussing alleged child pornography?

    #1238 1 year ago
    Quoted from TigerLaw:

    Sure, you are always free to make up your own mind. But words have consequences and if you don't presume the person is not guilty and you call an innocent man a bunch of names and convict him publically with your words before he has his day in court...and if he wins...you better hope the person you prejudged and committed defamation per se against doesn't decide to go after all the nameless people on the internet that accused him of a crime.
    I've seen several cases over the last five years or so where dozens of people were sued for bandwagon jumping and accusing an innocent person of a crime based off the arrest. These people were on Facebook or responding in the comments section of a news article reporting the arrest. Many of them now face wage garnishment orders or have their tax refunds seized. Many husbands are shocked that they get hit with tens of thousands of dollars in damages for some eight word comment their wife made on her Facebook account responding to something that was shared by 50 people, but that is life.
    You may think you're annonimous and can accuse people of rape, murder or child porn possession and have it not matter if they are guilty or not...but youre not annomimous. Websites have to respond to civil suit subpoenas and provide all the data they have that is responsive to the subpoena.
    Accusing someone of a crime when you don't know the particulars and are not involved in some way is flat out a bad idea (that you are free to make). Civil liability for this type of thing is real.
    Obviously, I know nothing about the JT case. Just warning people not to call him names or state you know he's guilty (no one here knows anything about his guilt or innosence). People think "he's not going to sue me for making a statement online!"...you don't know that, if he is found innocent and his career is over anyway he may have nothing else to do but pursue his defamation per se claim and carve out a meager way of life on the proceeds from the civil litigation (if he is found innocent of if what he is convicted of is less than what people are accusing him for online - note the people in this thread that inferred or stated he was doing more than just possessing downloaded under age pics...those people are potentially in danger if he sues them even if he is convicted of possession...though reduced danger).

    So knowing certain folks on this forum are just about guaranteed to step in it, so to speak, why risk allowing the discussion? A forensic search cost time and money right? I know you can moderate, but is that enough? If a defaming statement was posted for even just a few minutes, it was still posted.

    #1239 1 year ago
    Quoted from mcluvin:

    So knowing certain folks on this forum are just about guaranteed to step in it, so to speak, why risk allowing the discussion? A forensic search cost time and money right? I know you can moderate, but is that enough?

    I would say because of the freedom of speech that we have also if folks jump the gun and make defaming statements that maybe be proven to be untrue, well then they are responsible for their own actions and must man up and accept the consequences of such actions if it were to happen.

    #1240 1 year ago
    Quoted from DeathHimself:

    I would say because of the freedom of speech that we have also if folks jump the gun and make defaming statements that maybe be proven to be untrue, well then they are responsible for their own actions and must man up and accept the consequences of such actions if it were to happen.

    That sounds great and all, but I'm not sure the entity footing the bill for a costly forensics discovery would think so. Sure, Facebook can afford the risk, but Pinside?

    #1241 1 year ago

    damnit! the keyboard lawyers are here now!!!

    hopefully if we get back to nazis and sexism quickly enough theyll all return from whence they came.

    #1242 1 year ago
    Quoted from mcluvin:

    That sounds great and all, but I'm not sure the entity footing the bill for a costly forensics discovery would think so. Sure, Facebook can afford the risk, but Pinside?

    I really don't think this will ever happen, but if it did I do believe that the servers are located outside the US and most likely they will never pursue a defamation case because of all that international red tape to be honest. Could be wrong who knows but that's my guess.

    #1243 1 year ago
    Quoted from SHOOTTHEPYRAMID:

    damnit! the keyboard lawyers are here now!!!
    hopefully if we get back to nazis and sexism quickly enough theyll all return from whence they came.

    #1244 1 year ago
    Quoted from SHOOTTHEPYRAMID:

    damnit! the keyboard lawyers are here now!!!
    hopefully if we get back to nazis and sexism quickly enough theyll all return from whence they came.

    Nah, just genuinely interested in the thinking there. There can be a significant cost in both time and money. This thread is certainly click bait, but worst case scenario, is it worth it?

    #1245 1 year ago
    Quoted from mcluvin:

    Nah, just genuinely interested in the thinking there. There can be a significant cost in both time and money. This thread is certainly click bait, but worst case scenario, is it worth it?

    sounds like lawyer talk to me

    #1246 1 year ago
    Quoted from mcluvin:

    Dude! Cute kid. But posting the pics in a thread discussing alleged child pornography?

    Yeah agree. Cute kid and im sure you're a proud parent but theres a time and a place buddy. This isnt it.

    #1247 1 year ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    There is no **help** available.
    If it's true that JT is a pedophile, his brain is wired incorrectly at the synaptic level.
    Pedophiles have other brain wire oddities, like being 400x more likely to be left-handed.
    Hormone or antidepressant therapies are not going to re-wire his brain, anymore than it would cure left-handedness.
    ---======-----

    Sad reality. They're using ecstasy and LSD in many therapy sessions to rewire out PTSD effects over time in studies, so maybe one day they can help with something like this. For now though, it's unfixable in any meaningful way.

    -4
    #1248 1 year ago

    Im left handed and i think JT is one sick puppy.

    Its an illness? Hes innocent until proven guilty? The evidence was planted with a virus? And so on

    Can we stop making exuses for this sick prick.

    #1249 1 year ago

    This motherfucker is 70 years old. Do you REALLY think this is his first offense?
    Justice will be served one way or another.

    #1250 1 year ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    There is no **help** available.
    If it's true that JT is a pedophile, his brain is wired incorrectly at the synaptic level.
    Pedophiles have other brain wire oddities, like being 400x more likely to be left-handed.
    Hormone or antidepressant therapies are not going to re-wire his brain, anymore than it would cure left-handedness.
    ---======-----
    You guys also have to remember that:
    A Pedophile is someone with a sexual interest in others under the age of 18.
    A Child Molester is someone who ACTS upon that interest with a child.
    Two very different things.

    Trudeau appears to be right handed. I believe Subway Jared is right handed as well. I realize those examples mean very little in statistics. Though, the study that indicated left-handed men are more likely to be pedophiles is controversial to the academic community (for various reasons).

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