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Quoted from Wolfmarsh:This is a petty embarrassing self reflection, and some of the posts have gotten disgusting in this thread.
It sure lets you know which people are worth hanging out with and which ones aren't.
Embarrassing for who? Certainly not Neo or because you said so. More like embarrassing for you because you cannot handle his honesty.
Quoted from vdojaq:Embarrassing for who? Certainly not Neo or because you said so. More like embarrassing for you because you cannot handle his honesty.
Ahahahaha, you really are dense man. I can't handle his honesty, ROFL
I'm embarrassed for the old boy's club that think it's cool to act like you are in a thread like this. Grow up and learn some situational awareness.
Quoted from Whysnow:i agree! pretty damn disgusting for this
personal attack of calling Neo Stupid. Then he doubles down with accusing him of being into child porn. NOT a joking matter and not something to be taken lightly.
You know what's something not to be taken lightly? The pedophile John Trudeau with child porn on his computer....but cool how you're trying to turn it on me. F you, Hilton.
First reaction from most humans about this story: John Trudeau is DEPLORABLE.
Neo's first reaction: He was looking at faux child porn! I'm the expert! MMmmm hmmm.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:makes me wonder if this was legit situation, or if he had stuff on there that just looked like it. There is plenty of sites with chics in their 20's but try to look like they are 15. When I my web filter job, it was my job to find and track all that stuff, and there was a bunch you would swear were 13-15 range. Then you find out later from other sites, that they are internet queens that have their own sites and actually 20 years old. Wonder what triggered his investigation?
Quoted from Darscot:Pedophilia and child pornogrpahy have absolutly fuck all to do with underage girls that are post puberty throwing themselves at rock stars. Pull your head out of your ass.
Thanks for the lesson. Last I heard underage pornogrophy = child pornography. It was never mentioned the age group of the files found.
Thanks again for clearing that up.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Ahahahaha, you really are dense man. I can't handle his honesty, ROFL
I'm embarrassed for the old boy's club that think it's cool to act like you are in a thread like this. Grow up and learn some situational awareness.
How have I acted??? I have what, 5 posts in this thread? I am not here to police moral standards like others seemed to have made themselves in charge of.
Quoted from vid1900:I see potatoes showing more skin at the supermarket......
This thread is going places that I just can not be part of, I appreciate the people that supported and understood what i had to say. It was nice to see the up votes. I feel physically ill and I have to drain this. I just can't joke and make light of this subject.
Quoted from Rarehero:You know what's something not to be taken lightly? The pedophile John Trudeau with child porn on his computer....but cool how you're trying to turn it on me. F you, Hilton.
First reaction from most humans about this story: John Trudeau is DEPLORABLE.
Neo's first reaction: He was looking at faux child porn! I'm the expert! MMmmm hmmm.
I wasn't defending pedophilia, I was saying, don't jump to assumptions until you know the real story. Real logic. And I am somewhat of an expert on porn related viruses considering the job I had for like 6 years. I've seen what viruses can do and shit that can happen to anyone. I've seen a lot of different types. Not saying this is what happened with john, i'm just stating it's plausible. I've also stated that I do not know the details of johns case, and i'm not going to throw stones until I know for sure what his situation is. Starting a premature lynch mob is a dumb move. Plain and simple.
Quoted from Darscot:This thread is going places that I just can not be part of, I appreciate the people that supported and understood what i had to say. It was nice to see the up votes. I feel physically ill and I have to drain this. I just can't joke and make light of this subject.
Honestly, deep down I don't think anyone really wants to make light of this situation. It's horrible. But jokes, laughter, are ways some people actually handle a shocking situation such as this. It's really only meant to lighten the mood.
I was absolutely crushed by this. I was supposed to hang with J.T. and a few other of "the guys" in a couple of weeks. I have always wanted just to have a few beers and talk his designs with him for the longest time. It will most likely never happen now.
Quoted from vid1900:You guys that keep emailing me saying that I'm defending JT, you can stop now.
I have to presume that JT is innocent.
We all do.
Are you serious? We have jerkoffs here actually PM'ing you over this? PATHETIC!
Quoted from CaptainNeo:I wasn't defending pedophilia, I was saying, don't jump to assumptions until you know the real story. Real logic.
Want logic?
He was arrested for child porn.
Logical reaction? "John Trudeau is a pedophile"
Not "oooh, he was probably looking at legally aged people that looked underage"
Quoted from CaptainNeo:And I am somewhat of an expert on porn
We know. *vomit* ....FFS, we know.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:I've also stated that I do not know the details of johns case, and i'm not going to throw stones until I know for sure what his situation is.
We know what his situation is. You're trying to justify it for some reason. Throw stones.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:Starting a premature lynch mob is a dumb move. Plain and simple.
Who's lynching? We're discussing our reactions to a pinball designer being arrested for child porn. Defending him his a dumb move. Plain and simple.
Quoted from Rarehero:Want logic?
He was arrested for child porn.
Logical reaction? "John Trudeau is a pedophile"
Not "oooh, he was probably looking at legally aged people that looked underage"We know. *vomit* ....FFS, we know.
We know what his situation is. You're trying to justify it for some reason. Throw stones.
Who's lynching? We're discussing our reactions to a pinball designer being arrested for child porn. Defending him his a dumb move. Plain and simple.
you don't know shit about it anymore than anyone else here. every person in this thread has the same facts.
John was charged and arrested on 2 accounts of child porn.
That's it. that's all we know, that's all anyone knows. You don't know the facts, and you don't have enough information beyond that. Why are you in such a rush to start a lynch mob? Why not wait until you have specifics about the situation? There will be plenty of time for lynching when we have actual facts.
Unless you like to investigate things like FOX news does and make up your own shit to justify your cause.
Quoted from Rarehero:No, it's a 'you problem'. If you're being horrible, and someone offers you a teachable moment to not be horrible...and rather than learning from it and improving yourself as a person, you say "I am the way I am"...then you're just fucking horrible. Simple empathy and decency.
Not at all. I have never been offended by something i've heard ever in my life. So How am I suppose to try and cater to every single person in the world, and tip toe around everyone, so that people with tight asses don't get offended? Something 1000 people might not have a problem with. You will find that one tight ass that is offended by it. Should I live my life trying to appease that one guy? Fawk him. If he doesn't have the mental strength to sleep soundly from something he heard, then it's his problem. If people focused more on important issues, and not so worried about being butthurt over this and that, the world would be a much better place. That's a Fact!
Quoted from CaptainNeo:Unless you like to investigate things like FOX news does and make up your own shit to justify your cause.
Er Um ...CNN
Quoted from CaptainNeo:you don't know shit about it anymore than anyone else here. every person in this thread has the same facts.
John was charged and arrested on 2 accounts of child porn.
That's it. that's all we know, that's all anyone knows. You don't know the facts, and you don't have enough information beyond that. Why are you in such a rush to start a lynch mob? Why not wait until you have specifics about the situation? There will be plenty of time for lynching when we have actual facts.
Unless you like to investigate things like FOX news does and make up your own shit to justify your cause.
I'm making up nothing. He was arrested for child porn. That's all we need to know. But nah, he had a virus lolol....
I'm sure when the specifics come out, it will be even more horrible. 4 years ago someone called him out for his treatment of children on a blog comment....in hindsight...it's chilling. This man has been doing shit FOR YEARS. He's 69 ....I can't imagine what he's done throughout his lifetime. You think he just randomly did some shit recently and got caught? Nah, this is a long time coming....
...and enough with the lynching references...look up lynching before you keep typing lynching, FFS....
I wish people would wait until this goes to trial, & we get a verdict. Who knows what is going on, & people wishing JT does harm to himself is bad. Stern's response isn't likely 100% true, i'm sure they were in talks with him after the shit hit the fan. Most companies have a policy if you don't show up for work, or don't call in!
i was just saying, there could be other reasons, to calm down the mob mentality.
Basically, wait until we know more before throwing stones. It's what i've been saying since the beginning.
I don't know John. I've never met him, never talked to him. Don't know him personally on any level. But I try to know more about things before I start verbally attacking a situation or getting all ape shit about it.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:Not at all. I have never been offended by something i've heard ever in my life. So How am I suppose to try and cater to every single person in the world, and tip toe around everyone, so that people with tight asses don't get offended? Something 1000 people might not have a problem with. You will find that one tight ass that is offended by it. Should I live my life trying to appease that one guy? Fawk him. If he doesn't have the mental strength to sleep soundly from something he heard, then it's his problem. If people focused more on important issues, and not so worried about being butthurt over this and that, the world would be a much better place. That's a Fact!
You have zero empathy for other people & just want to continue to be an asshole out of pure stubborn pride. That's not something to brag about.
Quoted from Rarehero:4 years ago someone called him out for his treatment of children on a blog comment....in hindsight...it's chilling
I honestly wish we could find/know more about all of this, other than the original post.
Quoted from Rarehero:You have zero empathy for other people & just want to continue to be an asshole out of pure stubborn pride. That's not something to brag about.
how do I know i'm being an asshole if I myself, wouldn't be offended in the same situation. 
This thread is getting out of hand guys. We are turning on each other over one mans supposed stupidity.
Everyone here feels a different way on how it should handled and what we should all think..... that's ok.
Let's just all agree it's a sick disgusting situation and that justice will be served in due time
Quoted from o-din:"Little Girls" with Oingo Boingo
Opening song on their first album. I am a huge Oingo Boingo fan. This is a fun song to blast in the car driving in the walmart parking lot. 
Quoted from Syco54645:Opening song on their first album. I am a huge Oingo Boingo fan. This is a fun song to blast in the car driving in the walmart parking lot.
Don't hold your breath on getting an Oingo Boingo pin after all this. The subject matter is just too obscene. Hard to believe they got away with it in the first place.
Quoted from o-din:Don't hold your breath on getting an Oingo Boingo pin after all this. The subject matter is just too obscene. Hard to believe they got away with it in the first place.
Let us not forget this song too. Great song to play after picking up your date, especially on the first date! A lot of Boingo's stuff would not fly without making front page news for some church group hating on them.
The sensitivity of this subject brings emotional reactions.
The degree of innocence, or guilt, some here are comfortable to judge and adjudicate.
Others do not take these steps, as the way we are taught, but agree in the end, meaning justice.
There simply is no way, anyone can agree.....we cant even agree on a freaking pinball machine!
Our personal differences here are an extension of social polarization.
We cant play judge over each other, and how we deal/address/cope.
I tend to fend this with humor, but know I shouldnt do so here, and in public.
I know this is societal, and how this issue is addressed through history.
The last thing to say is this, it is equally deplorable, IMO.
This is our law today, I believe..
Although in such states there is no set minimum age by statute, the traditional common law minimum age is 14 for boys and 12 for girls - ages which have been confirmed by case law in some states.[2] Over the past 15 years, more than 200,000 minors married in US, and in Tennessee girls as young as 10 were married in 2001.[3]
We are certainly a diverse society....
Back to pinball.....my apologies to anyone my soap box rant offended. 
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Come on, man. Stop. This isn't about you and your shotgun opinions. This kind of stuff is completely inappropriate.
Quoted from davijc02:Its amazing that this thread has gone on for 19 pages.
It's amazing that it took me 21 pages to notice the double entendre in the title.
Quoted from 27dnast:Come on, man. Stop. This isn't about you and your shotgun opinions. This kind of stuff is completely inappropriate.
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You can hope for for a different outcome, and I will respect your opinion.
Quoted from vid1900:*response removed by mods*
You're a lot better off hoping he can find help for himself, offer words to help guide his victims and hurt ones toward healing, and perhaps affect change that stops people from going down this path in the future. Even if he impacts one person, that's a positive.
You have to hope for the positive, no matter what the negative situation is.
Quoted from 27dnast:You're a lot better off hoping he can find help for himself, offer words to help guide his victims and hurt ones toward healing, and perhaps affect change that stops people from going down this path in the future. Even if he impacts one person, that's a positive.
You have to hope for the positive, no matter what the negative situation is.
That sounds all dreamy and wonderful, but there is no help or successful therapy for pedos.
If he downloaded some images on his computer, he does not have any victims to help or guide.
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Sorry bud. I hardly think you're an expert on the treatment of people like this. You can stick to your opinion. But it's misguided and completely unfounded.
Each to his own.
Now I fully understand why AussieArcade locked the thread on this.
There is nothing of much value to say after the first page or so.
The resulting 20 pages (1000 posts) is just absolute dribble and conversation that is once again turning pinside members against each other. Now we are reached a new low.
I'm so confused as to why everyone cares so much about this. I'm not downplaying child exploitation at all I think it's horrible but is this old alleged creeper really worth fighting with each other because he designed a few pinball machines.
Were all people who love subway just devastated when Jared's creeper ass was finally outed?
Then we have Stern release a statement condemning child exploitation (shocker) and donating to a charity (classy move) and everyone suddenly thinks Stern is changing. Not a damn thing is changing.
Quoted from vid1900:That sounds all dreamy and wonderful, but there is no help or successful therapy for pedos.
If he downloaded some images on his computer, he does not have any victims to help or guide.
If guilty, the only positive thing he can do is kill himself.
.
Yes.. the only help would be for the victims..
I'm pretty sure anyone with children wouldn't leave them alone with a" rehabilitated" pedo. I don't believe you can come back from that one .
Quoted from Manimal:He was charged with 2 counts of "possession of child pornography in video form"....which I would take to mean they found at least 2 videos on his computer. More serious charges would be if you were trafficking, or producing it. Child porn is not an offense you charge, it is an object. What you do with it is the chargeable offense. In Jared's case, he was a party to the production of the video and he knowingly received and possessed it. He also traveled to actually meet underage folks.
If I had to guess....and this is ONLY a guess.....I would say someone tipped off the cops to something JT was doing or had said, or possibly they were investigating someone that made or distributed the porn and found some link to JT on that person's computer. Remember, the press release said this discovery was part of an ongoing investigation. So with law enforcement being tipped off, they either went looking for the videos he may have downloaded from this other party, or more likely they set up a sting operation to try and get him to bite and download videos from them as they were posing as a bad guy. Once he does, they get a warrant to go and look for those 2 specific videos on his PC, and once they find them, they can seize the computer and easily lay charges. This process saves a lot of time because you go right to the home as soon as he does the download, so there is no time to hide the files or remove a hard drive, hide a laptop in the attic, etc. The cops know what to look for and exactly where to look to get them the arrest, and then they get another warrant for the computer hard drive and see what else they can find later. If they find another 100 photos, the prosecutor can file those charges, OR more likely he goes to the perp and tells him if he pleads guilty to the 2 already filed charges and takes his punishment, he will not file the additional charges. Most sentencing runs concurrent, so stacking the charges won't give him much more time anyway, IF all he did was to possess. So end result, the perp pleads guilty and gets probation and counseling for a 1st offense, and the prosecutor gets a conviction and the county does not have to foot the bill for a trial. Unless this thing turns into something much bigger, it is very possible he will see very little if any jail time. Even if they sentence him to 5 years, he would serve less than 1.
Makes sense... thanks for explaining.
Quoted from Quiddity:I learned one thing from this thread. I'd hang out with CaptainNeo.
Me, too. Guys from Wisconsin usually come equipped with awesome cheddar and brats. 
Quoted from Quiddity:I learned one thing from this thread. I'd hang out with CaptainNeo.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Me, too. Guys from Wisconsin usually come equipped with awesome cheddar and brats.
Me too,and my first piece of advice would be not to get in a war of words with Greg.He never quits!
privilege???
Quoted from FalconPunch:absolute dribble
DRIVEL.
However, some of US older guys may often 'dribble' . . .
Quoted from FalconPunch:Now I fully understand why AussieArcade locked the thread on this.
There is nothing of much value to say after the first page or so.
The resulting 20 pages (1000 posts) is just absolute dribble and conversation that is once again turning pinside members against each other. Now we are reached a new low.
Using AA as a benchmark for forum standards. Thanks for the laugh.
Quoted from Rarehero:First reaction from most humans about this story: John Trudeau is DEPLORABLE.
My first reaction was, "Holy crap! That's a seriously heinous crime he's been accused of. I sure hope it's some sort of mistake."
Fingersport is one of the few here who gets it. When an otherwise good man is down - way down - you don't kick him in the balls, you pray for him. I'm not a Christian but I still get this. I still believe John Trudeau is basically a good person. I may be wrong, but so might many of you.
EDIT: I'm not saying that I'd look past this if he was convicted. I'm just saying that until the verdict is in, I'm going to pray for him and hope that this is a mistake.
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