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Just came across this... (news about John Trudeau)


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    #901 2 years ago

    Pinball news updated:
    https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2017/08/29/john-trudeau-charged/

    Stern Pinball’s new Director of Marketing, Zach Sharpe, has released a statement on behalf of the company.

    He told Pinball News, “It’s unfortunate that a topic such as this is my first formal communication to the community as an official voice of Stern Pinball, but we wanted to address the community about this extremely unfortunate and sensitive situation. Like the community, we are processing a litany of emotions over the allegations against John Trudeau and he is currently not reporting to Stern Pinball. Stern Pinball does not support or condone this type of alleged behavior in any capacity and will be donating to Hope For Justice, the premier charity in the fight against human trafficking.”

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    #902 2 years ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    Pinball news updated:
    https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2017/08/29/john-trudeau-charged/
    Stern Pinball’s new Director of Marketing, Zach Sharpe, has released a statement on behalf of the company.
    He told Pinball News, “It’s unfortunate that a topic such as this is my first formal communication to the community as an official voice of Stern Pinball, but we wanted to address the community about this extremely unfortunate and sensitive situation. Like the community, we are processing a litany of emotions over the allegations against John Trudeau and he is currently not reporting to Stern Pinball. Stern Pinball does not support or condone this type of alleged behavior in any capacity and will be donating to Hope For Justice, the premier charity in the fight against human trafficking.”

    Excellent response and the right thing to do. I'm glad they put this out.

    #903 2 years ago

    Great to see stern do the right thing very professional response by them.

    #904 2 years ago

    Good move for Stern. Hopefully the posts about them in the thread dwindle.

    The problem is the slow speed of justice leave a lot of time before we get anything more. But from the details of that article and the arrest make it look pretty clear to the community it is very likely he is a POS.

    #905 2 years ago

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    #906 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Excellent response and the right thing to do. I'm glad they put this out.

    Agreed. New hire already paying off.

    #908 2 years ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    Pinball news updated:
    https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2017/08/29/john-trudeau-charged/
    Stern Pinball’s new Director of Marketing, Zach Sharpe, has released a statement on behalf of the company.
    He told Pinball News, “It’s unfortunate that a topic such as this is my first formal communication to the community as an official voice of Stern Pinball, but we wanted to address the community about this extremely unfortunate and sensitive situation. Like the community, we are processing a litany of emotions over the allegations against John Trudeau and he is currently not reporting to Stern Pinball. Stern Pinball does not support or condone this type of alleged behavior in any capacity and will be donating to Hope For Justice, the premier charity in the fight against human trafficking.”

    Stern did right thing here

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    #909 2 years ago

    Thank you Stern, especially for the corporate donation to Hope For Justice.

    #910 2 years ago
    Quoted from practicalsteve:

    ... and I honestly think he should delete the podcast now...

    Oh but this one had some gems in it. The Aussie forums being insensitive to him were "going to make him quit his pinball podcast" was my favorite. *cue the naked eyes song

    #911 2 years ago

    This is awesome of Stern. Massive respect.

    #912 2 years ago

    Fantastic response by Stern.

    They strongly condemned the alleged crimes, yet also gave a very slight nod to "innocent until proven guilty" with the "not currently reporting" language; it's a very fine line to walk, and they did it well.

    I also think the charitable donation was absolutely appropriate, and lends credibility to their statements that they are experiencing a flood of emotions. Yes, it's obviously a calculated PR move, but it also helps the employees begin to cope and serves as a nice reminder that most people are motivated to perform acts of goodness when confronted with something so inhumane and deplorable.

    It might have been a bit better had they jumped in front of this a day or two ago, but the overall response is probably about as good as anyone could pull off given the circumstances.

    #913 2 years ago

    Wow....simply incredible. Talk about a shocker

    #914 2 years ago

    "Hope for justice."

    #915 2 years ago

    Are you finally coming around "crazy" levi? You know what i mean.

    #916 2 years ago
    Quoted from Thermionic:

    It might have been a bit better had they jumped in front of this a day or two ago, but the overall response is probably about as good as anyone could pull off given the circumstances.

    well it did come out on Friday, give them a break, where my wife is a boss they had a sexual harassment case and it took a few days because they spoke with a lawyer before they handled the situation and didn't want to say or do something that they could get sued from, and like it has been said before, its not like Stern is a huge company even though they are the largest pinball company.

    #917 2 years ago

    Good on Stern for the statement. "Not reporting to Stern" doesn't mean he's been terminated...

    #918 2 years ago

    It means he's either suspended or has taken a leave of absence to deal w/ the charges

    Edit to add: it COULD mean he's fired, but if that had been the case I presume the statement would say he's no longer under their employment.

    #919 2 years ago

    Well done Zach.

    #920 2 years ago

    Well, yeah, if they fired him and it somehow did turn out to be a bad rap, they'd be liable for wrongful termination.

    #921 2 years ago

    In my 'previous life', I had to write press releases and issue statements like Zach Sharp did, plus stand in front of a bank of microphones answering questions from the media. Of course, as I was reading that statement Zach and Stern made, I had to 'judge it', and I found it to be perfectly worded and thought he did a masterful job. I couldn't have done any better. You've got to say enough, but not too much, and cover all bases. It takes a sharp brain to formulate just the right words. Now . . . how did I get to do things like that with MY brains?!!!

    #922 2 years ago
    Quoted from waspinat0r:

    This is awesome of Stern. Massive respect.

    I agree. Well crafted statement... nice to see them verbally rebuke, express disapproval, and put their money where their mouth is. Exactly what they should have done. Well done, Stern!

    #923 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pintucky:

    Me either! Just imagine the boob in the nude!

    Id rather not.

    #924 2 years ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    Are you finally coming around "crazy" levi?

    I came around several pages ago.

    You might want to ask those who thought Stern should stay quiet if they've come around.

    #925 2 years ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    Stern Pinball’s new Director of Marketing, Zach Sharpe, has released a statement on behalf of the company...............communication to the community..................

    Lets hope this is the start of something. The message to the community coming out of Stern has at times been one of indifference and even resentment. We know the individuals within Stern are all passionate about pinball and the pinball community, but they've had trouble communicating that at a public level. Hopefully Zach's appointment signals a different approach and this release points in that direction. Being the most important member of this community, and in an age where consumers are highly informed and highly connected, Stern must have a more open dialogue with their customers. Sticking their head in the sand and wishing problems go away doesn't work anymore.

    #926 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I came around several pages ago.
    You might want to ask those who thought Stern should stay quiet if they've come around.

    What about the rest of the idiots in the world? Media, etc.? Have they come around yet?

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    #927 2 years ago
    Quoted from HighProtein:

    Much of life is black and white.
    If you're a thief you're a thief.
    If you're a liar you're a liar.
    If you abuse another you're an abuser.
    Morality is not relative.

    That guy in your avatar kept slaves based on race.

    Morality is always relative to the epoch in which you live.

    #928 2 years ago

    @ manimal, I hear what you're saying. Maybe I misunderstand the 2 count charges thing. How can someone be charged with 2 counts of CP for only possession? Like did he have 2 hard drives with CP on it or do the cops lay 2 charges of CP where one is for possession and the other is for some other CP related offense like solicitation, distribution etc...

    Note - somehow my electronic device won't let me quote so I do the @ thing... sorry

    #929 2 years ago
    Quoted from pinsanity:

    That guy in your avatar kept slaves based on race.
    Morality is always relative to the epoch in which you live.

    WHAT! The guy has a route with pins everywhere, that is what the QUARTER stands for LOL.

    #930 2 years ago
    Quoted from DanQverymuch:

    Well, yeah, if they fired him and it somehow did turn out to be a bad rap, they'd be liable for wrongful termination.

    Under Illinois law, employers may not use the fact of an arrest as a basis for employment decisions, including hiring and retaining employees.

    #931 2 years ago
    Quoted from pinsanity:

    That guy in your avatar kept slaves based on race.
    Morality is always relative to the epoch in which you live.

    By the end of Washington's life, he was against slavery. In his will, they were freed. While he and his wife were alive, they couldn't set the slaves free due to that practice being illegal.

    http://www.mountvernon.org/digital-encyclopedia/article/george-washington-and-slavery/

    #932 2 years ago
    Quoted from cdnpinballer:

    CP related offense like solicitation, distribution etc...

    Exactly, streaming such material etc etc. Remember they were on to him by means of a child porn investigation, generally in this type of kiddie porn rings material gets distributed among its members which can be a peer to peer process. Not saying that is the case but an example of the additional count. However he did have numerous files recovered on his machine. We need to see where they trail goes and if there will be any additional charges and if it is going to state or federal court.

    "Trudeau was home Thursday morning when Glendale Heights police and DuPage County sheriff’s officers executed a search warrant, seizing electronics “which contained numerous computerized files” of illegal images, according to police."

    **I had to edit my post and correct my terminology, sorry about that.**

    #933 2 years ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    By the end of Washington's life, he was against slavery. In his will, they were freed. While he and his wife were alive, they couldn't set the slaves free due to that practice being illegal.

    Jeesh, are you guys going to start arguing about this now are we?

    #934 2 years ago
    Quoted from cdnpinballer:

    @ manimal, I hear what you're saying. Maybe I misunderstand the 2 count charges thing. How can someone be charged with 2 counts of CP for only possession? Like did he have 2 hard drives with CP on it or do the cops lay 2 charges of CP where one is for possession and the other is for some other CP related offense like solicitation, distribution etc...
    Note - somehow my electronic device won't let me quote so I do the @ thing... sorry

    He was charged with 2 counts of "possession of child pornography in video form"....which I would take to mean they found at least 2 videos on his computer. More serious charges would be if you were trafficking, or producing it. Child porn is not an offense you charge, it is an object. What you do with it is the chargeable offense. In Jared's case, he was a party to the production of the video and he knowingly received and possessed it. He also traveled to actually meet underage folks.

    If I had to guess....and this is ONLY a guess.....I would say someone tipped off the cops to something JT was doing or had said, or possibly they were investigating someone that made or distributed the porn and found some link to JT on that person's computer. Remember, the press release said this discovery was part of an ongoing investigation. So with law enforcement being tipped off, they either went looking for the videos he may have downloaded from this other party, or more likely they set up a sting operation to try and get him to bite and download videos from them as they were posing as a bad guy. Once he does, they get a warrant to go and look for those 2 specific videos on his PC, and once they find them, they can seize the computer and easily lay charges. This process saves a lot of time because you go right to the home as soon as he does the download, so there is no time to hide the files or remove a hard drive, hide a laptop in the attic, etc. The cops know what to look for and exactly where to look to get them the arrest, and then they get another warrant for the computer hard drive and see what else they can find later. If they find another 100 photos, the prosecutor can file those charges, OR more likely he goes to the perp and tells him if he pleads guilty to the 2 already filed charges and takes his punishment, he will not file the additional charges. Most sentencing runs concurrent, so stacking the charges won't give him much more time anyway, IF all he did was to possess. So end result, the perp pleads guilty and gets probation and counseling for a 1st offense, and the prosecutor gets a conviction and the county does not have to foot the bill for a trial. Unless this thing turns into something much bigger, it is very possible he will see very little if any jail time. Even if they sentence him to 5 years, he would serve less than 1.

    #935 2 years ago

    I have been following this story, of course. I don't have a lot to say but maybe a little.

    I am saddened.

    It stinks that this has entered our hobby.

    Talking about it. We need to. We will continue to. Even as judgement is pronounced, sadly.

    Maybe the the way we deal with this can be different. as a group. Talking about it for instance.

    #936 2 years ago
    Quoted from Azmodeus:

    I am saddened.
    It stinks that this has entered our hobby.

    It is likely that people like this, unfortunately, are in almost - if not all - industries and hobbies.

    I feel bad for his family and all others that are impacted by his bad choices.

    Also, I don't see this as a pinball problem, or a mark against the hobby. It is a sad state that there are people out there that engage in this behavior.

    #937 2 years ago

    I like the statement from Zach. Tough first official communication and I think he did a great job.

    #938 2 years ago
    Quoted from Rockytop:

    I like the statement from Zach. Tough first official communication and I think he did a great job.

    do you have his statement handy? I missed it. thanks

    #939 2 years ago
    Quoted from Nomad:

    do you have his statement handy? I missed it. thanks

    “It’s unfortunate that a topic such as this is my first formal communication to the community as an official voice of Stern Pinball, but we wanted to address the community about this extremely unfortunate and sensitive situation. Like the community, we are processing a litany of emotions over the allegations against John Trudeau and he is currently not reporting to Stern Pinball. Stern Pinball does not support or condone this type of alleged behavior in any capacity and will be donating to Hope For Justice, the premier charity in the fight against human trafficking.”

    #940 2 years ago
    Quoted from Nomad:

    do you have his statement handy? I missed it. thanks

    It's in post #901

    #941 2 years ago
    Quoted from Goronic:

    I feel bad for his family and all others that are impacted by his bad choices.

    Probably the best single sentence in this whole thread. This has undoubtedly rocked them pretty good - unless they were aware of this issue prior. But, assuming they weren't, it's gotta be a life changer.

    #942 2 years ago

    Its amazing that this thread has gone on for 19 pages.

    #943 2 years ago
    Quoted from crlush:

    Jeesh, are you guys going to start arguing about this now are we?

    Not at all. Just countering the original point as to how relative to the time and fluid morality really is (not so black and white but mostly shades of grey) and that something which today would be seen as repugnant was socially acceptable and daresay even common practice at the time. Trekkie even rightly points out it was legislated for and illegal at the time of GW to release a specific race of person from bondage.

    Our current epoch is that anything even remotely connected to indecent acts involving children (whether engaging in or viewing of) has been deemed the most heinous crime in the history of mankind yet history has countless historical figures who would be regarded as pedophiles by today's standards (Socrates, Thomas Jefferson, John Newton to name a few).

    Most of the Western world didn't even legislate age of consent laws until the late 1800's and even then the minimum age typically ranged between 10 to 12 years old.

    #944 2 years ago
    Quoted from DanQverymuch:

    Well, yeah, if they fired him and it somehow did turn out to be a bad rap, they'd be liable for wrongful termination.

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    #945 2 years ago

    So much for that Motorhead pin.

    #946 2 years ago

    What I expected - a "No duh" corporate BS statement from Stern. "...Stern Pinball does not support or condone this type of alleged behavior in any capacity...". Groundbreaking.

    What I was very surprised to see - "...and will be donating to Hope For Justice, the premier charity in the fight against human trafficking."

    Bravo, Stern. Corporate Twitter and PR releases in general are usually cringe-worthy. Rarely does a company actually help the cause, but by making the donation they went above and beyond what many corporations do. Hats off.

    #948 2 years ago
    Quoted from imharrow:

    Under Illinois law, employers may not use the fact of an arrest as a basis for employment decisions, including hiring and retaining employees.

    There are parts of Illinois that you would be hard pressed to find someone without an arrest record.

    #950 2 years ago
    Quoted from Manimal:

    If I had to guess....and this is ONLY a guess.....I would say someone tipped off the cops to something JT was doing or had said, or possibly they were investigating someone that made or distributed the porn and found some link to JT on that person's computer.

    I always guess that these people are connected on the internet and swapping videos. I feel like I hear "sharing" or "trading" files when I see this in the news. One person gets caught and they follow the trail to everyone else.

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