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Just came across this... (news about John Trudeau)

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    #501 6 years ago

    Seems he thinks I should dump my Dredd and GB over this (he attacked my ability to separate the designer from the game [which is at least my view on anything a designer isn't making further money from me on]).

    I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers at owners of JT games and essentially saying they are lesser people for keeping and enjoying them. A lot of that has been happening passively in this thread and it sounds insane to me to say owners should feel bad about owning a JT game over this. Looking down on JT over it is a different matter.

    #503 6 years ago
    Quoted from Medisinyl:

    I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers at owners of JT games and essentially saying they are lesser people for keeping and enjoying them.

    Especially people who love Anime

    If you've ever been to Japan, you know it only exists for one reason....

    #504 6 years ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Do you consider the porn movies Tracy Lords made to be pedophilia? She was 15-18. Are the six million people who bought her Penthouse magazine pedophiles?
    Of course not. Yet some here are outraged because they assume the worst deviant behavior is what happened.
    I'm very skeptical that a deviant of the worst kind would only have two images. But there are many possibilities.

    It's not 2 images. There were numerous files - they could contain a few or 10's of thousands of images.

    https://www.facebook.com/GlendaleHeightsPolice/photos/a.581954428655137.1073741828.580531678797412/710908645759714/?type=3&theater

    #505 6 years ago

    I'm not going to attack or think lesser of anyone that decides to keep their JT games. But on the flip side my wife and I agreed that we will never own a JT game, this topic disgusts us too much.

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    #506 6 years ago
    Quoted from Medisinyl:

    I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers at owners of JT games and essentially saying they are lesser people for keeping and enjoying them. A lot of that has been happening passively in this thread and it sounds insane to me to say owners should feel bad about owning a JT game over this. Looking down on JT over it is a different matter.

    Yes, its a ridiculous argument.

    Hey, we just learned FORD had some employees that were arrested for child porn... everyone sell your FORD cars!!

    These guys were employees working for a company building a product. These are not their personal monuments. They were staff working on company projects as talented people.

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    #507 6 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    Are you serious with this question?
    You are really comparing having a gay neighbor that watches porn to a pedophile that watches porn?
    I don't even know what to say to that because it is so ridiculous. One is very illegal and the other isn't. Child porn is created by exploiting children. Gay porn is not. Do you see the difference? The actual act of creating child porn is harmful to children, and people who view it encourage that and create a market for it.
    If I find out my neighbor is a pedophile you better believe I'm either moving or he/she is.

    I can promise you there's going to be a lot bigger problem for my neighbor if I were to find out that he/she is a pedophile. Being a local business owner where I live, I've got a great relationship with the local police department.

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    #508 6 years ago

    Pinball machines have one designer associated with them. Car companies don't have one designer associated with each car they put out in the same way a pinball machine does. Again, I won't ever judge someone for owning a JT game going forward but I think people also have to have the same understanding for those of us who don't want to own a JT game now.

    #509 6 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    What if, JT was only having sex with a "16 year old" fembot, or a virtual "Christeen 16" ?
    No actual human contact.
    No actual humans exploited.
    You can't send a pedophile to therapy to make them normal (just a lifetime of therapy can't make a homosexual straight ). Your root sexual interests are hardwired by the time you hit your teens.
    There are hundreds of thousands of pedophiles who join help groups on the net. They recognize their ephebophilia interests are wrong, and seek practical ways of coping with it. The one rule of the help groups is that you can NEVER have had any underage human contact - ever.
    So I ask, if JT only had sex with a 16 year old high school cheerleader fembots, would that be OK?

    There is chemical castration for sex offenders and is legal is 8 states. If a pedophile knows he is likely to offend to the point where he joins groups on the net, he can voluntarily take the drugs before he ruins some child's life.

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    #510 6 years ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    Hey, we just learned FORD had some employees that were arrested for child porn... everyone sell your FORD cars!!

    Employees??? That's nothing.

    Fords founder, Henry Ford, used to publish a anti-Jew newspaper called The Dearborn Independent, that had a circulation of almost 1 million readers. It was so loved that Hitler used to translate and publish it's articles in German.

    “You can tell Henry Ford that I am a great admirer of his,” Hitler said. “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany. ....”

    Quick, everyone sell their Mustang games.......

    #511 6 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I don't think I can argue this without getting much more angry and saying things I'll probably regret.
    yeoldpinplayer and flynnibus I get your points, I just disagree. Be skeptical of me all you want. I'm very comfortable with my moral stance on all of this.

    Agreed John. I can't even finish my my thoughts to post in this thread cause it ends up ALL CAPS and a lot of F bombs.
    Fuck John Trudeau.

    #512 6 years ago
    Quoted from SuperPinball:

    There is chemical castration for sex offenders and is legal is 8 states. If a pedophile knows he is likely to offend to the point where he joins groups on the net, he can voluntarily take the drugs before he ruins some child's life.

    I can have lifelong fantasies about raping a nun, and crank off to 1000s of available videos on that subject.

    That does not mean that I would ever act upon those urges in real life.

    #513 6 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Employees??? That's nothing.
    Fords founder, Henry Ford, used to publish a anti-Jew newspaper called The Dearborn Independent, that had a circulation of almost 1 million readers. It was so loved that Hitler used to translate and publish it's articles in German.
    “You can tell Henry Ford that I am a great admirer of his,” Hitler said. “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany. ... I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration.”
    Quick, everyone sell their Mustang games.......

    As was his BFF Thomas Edison...many Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc....

    Guess I got to give up electricity.

    #514 6 years ago

    I'm keeping my black rose. If others choose to part with their games I understand that and respect their decision. It's pinball people. Live and let live.

    #515 6 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Employees??? That's nothing.
    Fords founder, Henry Ford, used to publish a anti-Jew newspaper called The Dearborn Independent, that had a circulation of almost 1 million readers. It was so loved that Hitler used to translate and publish it's articles in German.
    “You can tell Henry Ford that I am a great admirer of his,” Hitler said. “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany. ....”
    Quick, everyone sell their Mustang games.......

    Not even talking about volkswagen beetle

    #516 6 years ago

    These sexual predators are everywhere. Just last week my wife who works for the federal government got a notice through her work that a sex offender moved in .2 miles from us, right beside us with his 85 yr old dad. He was a rapist. He died from a heart attack a week or 2 after getting out of prison. Then i look through all the local sex offenders in my local 5 mile radius, wouldnt you know i reconized one of them. His son is in my sons grade and lives 1/2 mile from my sons school and my local news did a special report on him because hes deaf and races dirt track cars. His charges were for something with minors. Makes me sick these people are everywhere.

    #517 6 years ago

    Ya'll are crazy

    #518 6 years ago
    Quoted from Shapeshifter:

    It's not 2 images. There were numerous files - they could contain a few or 10's of thousands of images.

    I think for some who are not certain about charges and legal system can easily get confused or misunderstand chargers. In the case of 2 charges (and will speak hypothetically here) one charge can be the mere possession of images and/or videos (can be multiple files) on ones electronic device, subsequent charge can be ones admission (login) into the dark web sites which most are pay for entry sites. Police reports indicate that they were locked onto him thru means of a ring take down, in which he was also found in possession of such accused material at his residence. That would be the two counts, now like many said lets wait and see. Charges can remain, plead to a lower charge or additional charges can pile on pending investigation results, and then this all can be dismissed as well.

    Bottom line is we need to hear the additional facts that will follow.

    #519 6 years ago

    In light of recent events, I'd change their Facebook cover photo if I was the Glendale Heights Police Department. Kinda makes it look creepy now.

    https://www.facebook.com/GlendaleHeightsPolice/

    #520 6 years ago

    We had a few law enforcement people comment here....If I may ask, how aggressive is the effort to shut down these sites, period?

    #521 6 years ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    We had a few law enforcement people comment here....If I may ask, how aggressive is the effort to shut down these sites, period?

    Very aggressive, but when you shut one door, 2 more open. Most are offshore, and many part of the dark Web, which makes enforcement all but impossible. These guys go to great lengths to hide what they do.

    #522 6 years ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    We had a few law enforcement people comment here....If I may ask, how aggressive is the effort to shut down these sites, period?

    It's hard to shut them down when Pete Towshend keeps funding them (with his personal credit card; he's so stupid) .....

    #523 6 years ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    We had a few law enforcement people comment here....If I may ask, how aggressive is the effort to shut down these sites, period?

    I can honestly answer this from experience 24 years law enforcement, now retired for the past 2 years . We do have specific units that do nothing but investigate child porn and human trafficking excursively. The issue is that the man power we have doing this unfortunately isn't enough for all the sick bastards out there, but the ones they do catch in the net will pay a hefty price for their actions. Even if we increased the personal by 10x to address these crimes, they still wouldn't be enough to handle it all and patrol would suffer as then other serious crimes and quality of life issues would now take a major jump, but they do what they can and do hand down a heavy punishment on them.

    #524 6 years ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    Guess I got to give up electricity.

    I just shut my lights off.....

    #525 6 years ago

    This is so sad. If he's guilty, I feel sad for the victims and enraged he did this. If he's innocent, I hope that comes out as fact.

    #526 6 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    I'll say my piece on this and get out.
    We all know the man is entitled to an assumption of innoncence. Nobody is blowing anybody's minds when they say that.
    We all know SOMETIMES, rarely, people accused of these crimes don't go to jail.
    We all know Pete towsenend got away with a "caution" (nothing was dismissed, no proclamation of innocence was made, no "not guilt" verdict was issued, and nobody ever said "yeah, we buy the research claim.") Pete got away with something - paying for child porn with a credit card (which he admitted to doing) that would have landed most of us in the brig for a long time.
    So please stop telling us over and over again how we need to wait for the facts. The facts right now is that the guy is in a lot of trouble. Maybe this will be one of the tiny percent where for whatever reason the accused doesn't end up in jail for a very long time. Or, maybe it'll turn out just like most cases like this, and he'll plead out just like my 4th grade music teacher who is doing 50 years for similar offenses.
    But stop trying to sound smart by telling us he has a right to due process. We all know that. Doesn't change anything.

    humm, but with pete townsend, maybe it was research for an album cover. In europe you can get away with a lot more than you can here. Ever see the cover for the Scorpions Virgin killer? The original cover? But in some US states 15 is legal,and some countries 13 and up is legal, so I guess it depends on where your standing at the time. Which really makes no sense at all if you think about it.

    #527 6 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    It's hard to shut them down when Pete Towshend keeps funding them (with his personal credit card; he's so stupid) .....

    "keeps funding"

    #529 6 years ago

    I was going to post the scorpions album, but I figured i'd let people google it for the shock value. I still don't know how they got away with it.

    #530 6 years ago
    Quoted from DCFAN:

    "keeps funding"

    C'mon. Do you have any doubt his attorneys have shown him how to use Bitcoin ?

    #531 6 years ago

    Blind Faith album cover?

    #532 6 years ago
    Quoted from rai:

    Blind Faith album cover?

    Exactly....she was 11 years old.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/banned-in-the-u-s-a-20-wildest-censored-album-covers-20150115/blind-faith-blind-faith-1969-20150115

    Don't even get me started on what an asshole, pervert, racist, Clapton is.......google it.

    #533 6 years ago
    Quoted from practicalsteve:

    I took a screen shot. The text was:
    "It was a bad day for pinball. If we stop talking about it, it might go away. Don't post!"
    I don't know how to feel about that.

    Did he actually say this for real?
    Can you please post the screen shot?

    #534 6 years ago

    but here is where we have the line between, porn and art. There really isn't anything pornographic about the album covers. Nudity itself isn't porn. There isn't an act of sex or displayed in a sexual manner, taking place. In america, conservatives seem to think nudity itself is pornographic. This is not the case. So for the feds to come into the situation, it has to be more than just some artsy photos of a questionable age group. Again, I don't know the details of the situation, but it's probably a lot worse than the shit you see on controversial album covers.

    #535 6 years ago

    Jezus..
    John Trudeau on catch a predator...
    Can't believe this..wow..

    #536 6 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    I'll bet not one large route operator knows or cares about this.

    I'm not large.

    I am keeping an eye on the fallout.

    After Columbine, I slowly got rid of gun games. Before I had protesters in front of my arcade, like what happened elsewhere around the country.

    LTG : )

    #537 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    but here is where we have the line between, porn and art. There really isn't anything pornographic about the album covers. Nudity itself isn't porn. There isn't an act of sex or displayed in a sexual manner, taking place. In america, conservatives seem to think nudity itself is pornographic. This is not the case. So for the feds to come into the situation, it has to be more than just some artsy photos of a questionable age group. Again, I don't know the details of the situation, but it's probably a lot worse than the shit you see on controversial album covers.

    Exactly look at Nevermind (Nirvana) album it's a nude baby but not pornographic.

    #538 6 years ago

    Other then some recent Stern games a lot of his titles were years ago in which I own a few. No matter which way the case goes and if he is found guilty of this sick disorder, I'm rationalizing keeping my games saying to myself that were designed years ago before any mental illness have developed. I know I'm a hypocrite but I do love some of those titles.

    #539 6 years ago

    I sometimes still think about buying Ghostbusters after deciding not to last year amidst all their production issues. I'm not sure if this makes me any less likely because it has nothing to do with the game, but I think Stern should issue some sort of statement instead of the usual sweeping of problems under the rug and ignoring them.

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    #540 6 years ago
    Quoted from DeathHimself:

    Other then some recent Stern games a lot of his titles were years ago in which I own a few. No matter which way the case goes and if he is found guilty of this sick disorder, I'm rationalizing keeping my games saying to myself that were designed years ago before any mental illness have developed. I know I'm a hypocrite but I do love some of those titles.

    why should it matter?

    My refrigerator could have been built and designed by Jeffery Dahmer. Does that mean I should look at my fridge differently? Nope. Personal lives with equipment you own, shouldn't matter. Who gives a shit what the maker or the designer did in their personal life. All that matters is that you like the product you bought. They were a hired employee. Your money went to the company. Not the individual.

    #541 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    but here is where we have the line between, porn and art. There really isn't anything pornographic about the album covers

    Right.

    A naked child swimming in a pool is not porn.

    A 11 year old naked girl, holding a giant chrome dildo - it's probably porn in most of the South.

    #542 6 years ago
    Quoted from Phbooms:

    These sexual predators are everywhere.

    Yep. I have a window in my cube at work and I see this dude riding his bike home a few times a week...for a few years (just one of the many people that walk by). One day, when we were getting ready to get pregnant for the first time, I started searching in my area for Sex Offenders. Almost right away i notice the damn bike riding dude in the pictures...lives like 2 blocks from my house & work. Crazy random shit man.

    #543 6 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Right.
    A naked child swimming in a pool is not porn.
    A 11 year old naked girl, holding a giant chrome dildo - it's probably porn in most of the South.

    what if instead of a dildo it was a chrome thermos?

    #545 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    why should it matter?
    My refrigerator could have been built and designed by Jeffery Dahmer. Does that mean I should look at my fridge differently? Nope. Personal lives with equipment you own, shouldn't matter. Who gives a shit what the maker or the designer did in their personal life. All that matters is that you like the product you bought. They were a hired employee. Your money went to the company. Not the individual.

    Jeffery Dahmer didn't design ur fridge, if he did you would probably think about it differently, wow the comments on this are just amazing too me, I can't believe it. If you let ur kids play a GB pin after this with the man being charged and sentenced that is of course ur choice but I couldn't, personal lives absolutely matter.

    #546 6 years ago
    Quoted from Hazoff:

    Jeffery Dahmer didn't design ur fridge, if he did you would probably think about differently, wow the comments on this are just amazing too me, I can't believe it. I fyou let ur kids play a GB pin after this with the man being charged and sentenced that is then ofcourse its ur choice but I couldn't, personal lives absolutely matter.

    I know he didn't, but if he did. I wouldn't care. Because it's stupid to associate your product to a person that happened to be in that field at the time yours was built. Money goes to companies, not people. It's being able to separate your mindset from a material object, and something else that is going on, that has nothing to do with you. De Loreans are my favorite car. Do I give a fawk what drama took place behind the making of the car? Absolutely not. Has nothing to do with me. I love the damn car, and whatever shit John Delorean did, that's on him, but man that car is awesome.

    Oh yea, my kids are completely traumatized from playing a game of ghostbusters. Because 2 weeks earlier made such a difference to today.

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    #547 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    I know he didn't, but if he did. I wouldn't care. Because it's stupid to associate your product to a person that happened to be in that field at the time yours was built. Money goes to companies, not people.

    That makes sense

    #548 6 years ago

    Know the differences between arrested, charged, indicted, arraigned, tried, convicted, and sentenced.

    There is a order of precedence for reasons.

    I see indications that this is not understood here, presumptions of judgement, and the terms above are not equated.

    For example, a charge does not always result in a formal indictment or even an arraignment of the equivalent nature.
    This requires further review of evidence after the arrest, discovery, and court proceedings which does not happen on weekends.

    Common confusions although various life challenges can still result without a conviction.
    This is the justice system of the United States, not other countries.
    Let due process proceed.

    If Stern acts as they should, they should issue a formal public statement regarding temporary suspension tomorrow.
    It is in the best interest of everyone until matters are resolved.
    This is the area people should watch very closely.

    #549 6 years ago
    Quoted from CaptainNeo:

    De Loreans are my favorite car. Do I give a fawk what drama took place behind the making of the car? Absolutely not. Has nothing to do with me. I love the damn car, and whatever shit John Delorean did, that's on him, but man that car is awesome

    Love me Delorean.. seriously underpowered car with a crappy lotus transmission. But man, even today that body is still so futuristic.

    I haven't read the books, but from what I read on the wiki John wasn't a "coke dealer", he was was buying it to resell to fund his dying company. Not the right thing to do, but when money gets in the way of your dreams sometimes you do things you wouldn't normally do. Have to wonder if that company could have survived had he got real investors to keep things going, and what other cars he would have dreamed up in the later years.

    #550 6 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Employees??? That's nothing.
    Fords founder, Henry Ford, used to publish a anti-Jew newspaper called The Dearborn Independent, that had a circulation of almost 1 million readers. It was so loved that Hitler used to translate and publish it's articles in German.
    “You can tell Henry Ford that I am a great admirer of his,” Hitler said. “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany. ....”
    Quick, everyone sell their Mustang games.......

    Lol. I can see it now. "If you drive a Ford you're a racist!!" "If you have a JT game you're a pedophile sympathizer"......The person/persons who designed an inanimate object have no bearing on whether or not I will enjoy it lol. It's quite comical actually.....of course this is just my opinion.

    Edit: just to be clear on what John has done and my opinion on it. It is horrible and should have no tolerance whatsoever. I completely understand if people don't want a JT game anymore but I personally wouldn't care one bit. To each their own.

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