Herndon, VA
High Speed insert decal scan
(Topic ID: 11355)
I like it. If we had those on each pins page and a spot on there where you could request a scan so we don't clog the forum.
Thats what I was thinking. You think there are any licensing issues to posting scans? Robin, Can we ad a page to the pins for these scans? It would be unbelieveably helpful. If there is licensing issues how about a page with members who participate in a decal exchange to post what pins they have decals for and they can be PMed.
Kamloops, BC
I would think this would pose a "licensing" issue, but the idea is great and would be awesome if we could do it.
I also would like to see the same on pf plastics that could be "fixed"...or made. But I would guess using a forum instead of PM would cause a problem also...and we don't need any of those! 
Alkmaar
Quoted from tomdotcom:There was already a site like this, ballsofsteel I think it was called. He got a cease and desist letter and shut it down.
Yeah I remember that. You see, I would love to add all these things but I think stuff like decal scans are still copyrighted. I'm also sitting on tons of pinball music files (mp3s) which I got from TheMCD - great listening - but I'm also afraid to add these to the site for the same reason.
Does anyone know more about this subject? Could this in fact be accomplished here on the site in a legal way? Possibly behind a payed link so the copyright holders get their share?
Robin, you could always shoot an email over to Rick at PP and see what his thoughts are about this stuff.
I don't understand why they would still care about those licensing. We are trying to keep their projects alive. Oh well.
Quoted from futurepinhead:I don't understand why they would still care about those licensing.
Money
Quoted from futurepinhead:I don't understand why they would still care about those licensing. We are trying to keep their projects alive. Oh well.
Its because people are still making money off it. People payed for the rights to something, and they want to recover their investment.
So even though they might not sell a specific thing now, they might want to in the future sometime or at least not set the precedent of NOT caring about this kind of stuff.
Quoted from DrStarkweather:So even though they might not sell a specific thing now, they might want to in the future sometime or at least not set the precedent of NOT caring about this kind of stuff.
I bet this hit it right on the head. 
Seems like one of the parts distributors could sell PDF files for things like this and everyone get there small little cut. Like music. If i needed 2 inserts decals I wouldnt pay $40 + shipping but i would buy the PDF file for $5. Everyone wins. No overhead, no printing, no manpower, just some setup and web site maintence. distributor gets his 2.50, license holder gets his 2.50 and my special when lit insert gets a new decal. Hello, I just made someone a million bucks, I deserve a thank you.
I guarantee Jeff McAfee will have a problem with this after dropping an easy 5 figures to secure the rights to do the insert decals.
WMS and Gottlieb still guard all IP very diligently. There is no point to even begin this here unless you want to risk Pinside being shut down.
Lock and close the thread and delete those PDFs!
Yea for scans I think it may be best to throw out a request if you need them and then take care of it privately leaving Pinside out of harms way.
Quoted from jwwhite15:I would think this would pose a "licensing" issue, but the idea is great and would be awesome if we could do it.
I also would like to see the same on pf plastics that could be "fixed"...or made. But I would guess using a forum instead of PM would cause a problem also...and we don't need any of those!
Yeah, it's slightly a grey area. A scan is technically an original image, however, it is close enough that legally they can go after you. That's very unlikely to happen in the case of fans trading scans amongst themselves, but if you build a system (in this case a website) to facilitate it, yeah, they may jump on you.
The way music and video industry is set up that if you own it, you are allowed to have digital versions for back up. It should be the same for pin decals. I'm sure there is some law that you can't buy used for that to be true, not sure.
I wonder if youve bought the rights to sell the decals if you also have the right to sell scans. If so one could develop "iscan" much like itunes. When I was making my company logo I went to a site that sold hi-def images. I bought a few and now i have the rights to use them in anyway i want. Now, im sure the images are designed by the company that sold them to me. Im just saying there's money to be made and someones missing the boat.
Oh man.. been there, done that.
See here:
me = "machine.slave"
A very valuable and honorable idea.. but it will be met harshly and swiftly by Cease and Desist orders. Probably best to avoid this.
Quoted from the_pin_family:i would buy the PDF file for $5.
The problem is that you can share it and that would cost them money.
Quoted from pinball_customs:Oh man.. been there, done that.
See here:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/2665dbfdacc0da0c/12adee2d390133aa?lnk=gst&q=machine.slave#12adee2d390133aa
me = "machine.slave"
A very valuable and honorable idea.. but it will be met harshly and swiftly by Cease and Desist orders. Probably best to avoid this.
Wow! So what was the outcome? Was he the owner to the rights? See, the problem is I'm a rebel. I hate it when someone tells me I can't do something. So what if........ What if someone....... Some stranger in the dark........ An unknown avatar........ From random places like starbucks and McDonald's, started spreading this art across the pinball world. ROBINPIN!!!! Could he easily be cought or would he spread joy in the form of beautiful artwork across the world?
Quoted from the_pin_family:Wow! So what was the outcome? Was he the owner to the rights? See, the problem is I'm a rebel. I hate it when someone tells me I can't do something. So what if........ What if someone....... Some stranger in the dark........ An unknown Avatar........ From random places like starbucks and McDonald's, started spreading this art across the pinball world. ROBINPIN!!!! Could he easily be cought or would he spread joy in the form of beautiful artwork across the world?
The outcome was that WMS owns the rights, and Wayne (now PPB) was the licensee of said rights. It was the C+D order I received from WMS that caused me to stop. I respected their rights ownership and had NO interest in arguing with them. I had no reason to believe Wayne had the right to shut me or anyone else down, and he didn't provide any. It was more his business practices that made me do what I did, really.. playing favourites, using me as a martyr. Threatening my family.. that sort of thing.
Anyway that's in the past now.. the rights to produce parts and artwork are in good hands (PPB), and I look forward to dealing with them in the future.
As for artwork.. it can't freely be distributed, but from what I can tell people don't have much trouble finding what they need using good 'ole RGP and Google. 
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