Stern topper or tilttopper?

Can anybody give me ideas about how to fix the (non) spinning jeep? I looked through the thread and tried a few things, but the mechanism seems to bind and have a mind of its own.

It's the first NIB Stern that I have had to adjust a ton to get it to play properly. If the game wasn't so damn addicting...

This is one of the key posts:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jurassic-park-stern-2019-owners-club-welcome-to-jurassic-park/page/106#post-5683784

You are correct. I only went through the first 47 pages of the thread.

Thanks for the response!

Anyone knows a save way to shoot the ESCAPE target? i often get direct right outlane bounces.

Thanks ectobar for the help. I pulled the mech apart and put a light coating of silicon lubricant. I had already taken the thing apart 3 other times and was super frustrated with the game.

I can now get T-REX multiball in every game I play which was impossible before.

Joined the premium club! Born on June 2nd!

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Not sure why the debate/confusion. The game designer has personally said repeatedly that the game was designed and play as intended at 7 degrees. I'm listening to him over anyone else at Stern.

What’s this about red flippers?

The JP has a high Pf angle and a low Pf angle from reports and my experience. So 7 deg isn’t an answer without where it’s measured at. The difference between 6.5 and 7 is significant as I’ve tried both. I tried to settle in the middle

I spoke to Mike Vinikour at the Houston Arcade Expo recently and he said it was designed for 7.0 degrees.

What about red flippers? Prem and Le were made with red but nobody usually keeps stock flippers or post sleevs.

At what point in the pf? Keith said 7 but no relation to top or bottom

PF's are meant to be straight (ie no bowed), so the angle should be the same regardless of where it is taken; however some PFs can bow simply due to the weight and position of components hanging off them. Note the wooden rails on the PF provide structural support to help keep the PF straight. Keith has designed the game at 7 degrees and would assume that the PF is straight.

So I think the question should be, if your PF isn't perfectly straight, where is it best place to set the angle? My answer would be that every game is different and you'll need to experiment a little, whether you start off with an average of the top & bottom but regardless just make sure that you are consistent where/how you measure your angle (so that if you ever move your game, you know how to set it up without have to play around again with the angles). Hope this helps.

With my 2 machines, if you set a degree at the flippers, the upper playfield will be slightly greater...as much as .1 to .3 higher...I set 7 at the flippers, and then I play the game and adjust lower until I'm not getting cheap drains and crazy sling launches into the outlanes...this game is very sensitive but it also depends on your specific game...

Here's how I dialed mine in...I set 7.0 at the flippers, which translated to about 7.15-7.2 at the extreme upper playfield. I was getting great shots but the game was brutal with tons of unrecoverable shots to the outlanes. I gave the back casters about 6 half turns and lowered the angle... and for me that is the sweet spot...Re measuring, I was at 7.0 in the dead center, 7.1 upper and fluctuating 6.9 - 6.95 at the flippers...your really have to experiment. Almost immediately following those dialed in angles, all the lanes flowed perfectly...and I made it to King of the Island MB and literally one shot away from the Visitor center and a high score over 750 mil 2 x's in a row

To make it easy, you could just start with 7.0 in the center and go from there, but I assume since Stern ships all their bubble levels, down toward the flippers, I would guess they mean to take the measurement at the flippers

Recently discovered the sticky myself. It makes a night and day difference in the game. I can’t tell you how long I played before realizing the Jeep wasn’t fully spinning around.

Just wondering if others who have set the game at 7 degrees, show the leveling bubble to be slightly out of the tick marks on the high side? If you went by the bubble, it would be more in the 6.3-6.7 range for me.

Yes, 7.0 degrees would be outside of the middle tick marks. And never go by the bubble. It is a rough estimate at best. Get a digital level or a phone app and measure pitch on the playfield.

As for the 6.5 to 7.0 confusion, 6.5 seems to be the standard that you should pitch Stern games at, but designers sometimes design for the pitch being steeper, like Gomez on Deadpool and Keith on JP.

I really wish Stern would start releasing "designer notes" for new pins. Guidelines on the recommended pitch, descriptions on where the designer intended balls to hit when coming out of orbits, scoops, etc. and instructions on how to adjust scoops and guides to get the game to play the way they intended. Would make tweaking a lot easier.

Love that notes idea

Of all the cost savings measures Stern has done over the years, I can't for the life of me figure out why they still include bubble levels. They are rarely correct, and do nothing but confuse newer owners. Never, ever trust the bubble.

Also Kaneda is confused by the bubble levels haha

AccuMASTER 2-in 1 Magnetic Digital Level and Angle Finder / Inclinometer

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148M7P4O/

best $27.25 I've spent on pinball...

Modfather shooter couple leds i had lying around

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Looks great. Any diy details on how you did it. I have the shooter but not the lights. Thanks.

I just copied stern on the shooter plate by pics on this thread heres a link on some lights that will work just tye into the gi somewhere im tying mine into the amber light ebay.com link: itm

I found this same adjustment worked the best for my JP3

Your camera is amazing!

a smartphone can do that!

Do you know what size holes you drilled. Thanks.

After 6 months of waiting look what finally made it today I tell you what though. My daughter had better know how much I love her though as I wont be able to set it up tonight since she has a softball scrimmage tonight. Some things are more important than pinball but that's testing it!

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You sir, are a saint!

I had a meeting cancel this PM so I was able to at least unbox it to check things out. Not enough time to get upstairs and set up but enough to at least make sure all looked good. She couldn't wait either and helped. Here is a cool thing I noticed. Real wood bottom of the cab. Wonder if that is a permanent change for Stern.

Looking forward to getting it upstairs and set up to play.

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I believe so Munsters wood base is the same.

That change was made over a year ago.

Wow, talk about being under a rock I just got my Deadpool in Feb of this year so I must have got an old left over cab.

Hey! I just received mine tonight. The ball seems to be able to make it through the pop bumper gate instead of rolling over to the right orbit. Is this common and what is the normal fix?

My Deadpool was a May, 2919 build and had the new cab.

Per the designer, this is normal and intended.

In my experience it depends on ball speed. Shots up the middle from bottom flippers usually roll into the pop bumpers but can go all the way through to the right. Shots to left orbit from upper flipper roll through to the right.

Almost 900 years in the future and Stern is still having Quality Control issues .

There is a fix but I worked late and had two beers so I don't think I can explain it.

Agreed.

Just discovered Invalid over the weekend. I legit thought it was a glitch in the code so I never chose it during smart missile.... lol. So I finally said hell with it lets see if it breaks the machine... Needless to say, amazingly fun multiball!

Got my game set up last night after my daughters softball scrimmage. My wife was a trooper as both of our kids were begging to play. As such we stayed up late and got the game upstairs and set-up for play. Got a couple of games in and I was impressed with how it played without dialing anything in. Everything worked properly, while I do want to dial in a few things for smoother play.

You know what is more fun that JP pinball? Apparently making some home made tents out of the box and sleeping in them over night. My kids have always enjoyed the boxes but this one takes the cake as they were still in them this morning when I woke up.

P.S. - We wont talk about the mess they crated making this

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Need some advice. I am very new to pinball ownership. Bought my first game on here last week, Lord of the Rings.
I'm obsessing over Jurassic Park LE. Problem is they're obviously hard to get my hands on. Wondering if I bought a Premium and decked it out with shaker motor, blade graphics, and all the mods worth getting if that will be sufficient vs. the limited. I love the look of the green powder coating and the mirrored back glass.... but I'm not fully enjoying the chase for the LE. I was a week too late on a couple that were on the marketplace. Then I was contacted by a guy who was on the fence selling one, but then his wife and daughters have seemingly talked him out of it (WHAT A TEASE!)..

So, thoughts on this?