does makeing loops kill the combo? boost the points? just give another shot at it?

How about "Shoot her!". I may play around with trying to mod the audio to replace it on mine for fun.

Yeah, and again - the original one isn't taken away, it's just this secondary one was added. I personally just feel that on games that have extremely limited combos, it should be given for shooting on the fly.

I believe that making the loop would award the first combo, and then award the loop bonuses which I believe is Hold Raptors, but I'm not positive offhand. I don't think you get the 10M for hitting the T-Rex if you loop it twice first.

I can probably try to dub some of the existing voices to make new words/phrases. Anyone interested?

My vote is to leave it at killing the combo. If you shoot the loop, technically you missed finishing the combo. You get the hold raptor thing as sort of a consolation prize, but it's still ultimately a missed shot.

To use something like that right, it would be best that if you hit it again after hold raptor was given that it gave you some other award for loop combo or whatnot, maybe like +1m raptors or something, but honestly that shot is so thought I've never seen anyone loop it for long, so nothing should be no loss.

Hope that makes sense. I would be more on board with changing it to each loop around there gives a better combo award IF the raptor put hold wasn't already there.

I actually already tried just that. It says "Thumper Ready" too quickly to replace it with a movie version of "Shoot Her" even if you shorten vowel sounds. I couldn't get anything worthwhile to fit in its place.

I have a JP back at my house now, just doing some repairs and shopping it for a family that bought one locally and asked if I could fix it up. I'll have it for a couple weeks, what are the odds that the new code would be ready to include with the machine when I drop it off

Let's be realistic here people... it's going to be at least another couple of months.

So.. you're saying there's a chance!

Oh, wait.. no, I guess you are saying there is no chance
(I'd really hoped to apply the usual Lloyd Christmas quote)

Chad?

Damn. That would have been perfect. I'm sure you tried speeding up the sample while preserving pitch to keep it at about a second (or whatever the duration is to match), but it probably sounded weird. Too bad. I'm an audio engineer (have been for 15 years), so I'm all too familiar with these sort of scenarios with editing.

but you have to make the sound work with the BSMT2000 system and the games overall sound rom layout.

I'd love to discuss sound changes (I've successfully made a change on my JP and have it working on the game), but since Chad has confirmed that this is out of scope for his project, it will have to be a DIY effort, and we should probably take the discussion somewhere else, so Chad's thread stays on topic.

This is probably a more appropriate thread to discuss, since it deals with DE (or start one specific to JP changes):
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lethal-weapon-3-sound-rom-update#post-1256476

Duly noted! We wouldn't want to complicate anything with getting your changes officially approved by Stern.

This is very cool that you're doing this Chad.

As a new owner of JP I'm excited to see this happen. But no rush, take your time (just hurry).

(I'm also looking for a DE SW).

I'm late to this thread, it sounds like this would be something that would be released through Stern then like the Star Wars DE code update? I think it's awesome what you did with Star Wars, and hopefully they reimburse you in some way to encourage more of this type of effort with other tables long in to the future!

Right now.....pretty shitty. On mine the ball takes a funny bounce off the side rail on it's way back to the flipper and it throws it out away from the flipper. I can still make contact with it but it's not exactly the same every time which makes it near impossible to continually repeat the loop. I'm lucky if I do it twice.

Is this common on this pin?

I'm not good at it, but it also isn't a shot I usually try and hit. I'm usually trying for the T-Rex to either start multiball or work on picking up the bounty.

Yep, mine too...and it's FAST. Too tough to control. Maybe 3 loops is my best in a row.

I'm honestly not sure if I've ever gotten it to loop twice. I have a hard time with that one. I always opt for the ramp for the jackpot in tri-ball.

Three loops is about my best as well. If I'm in Tri-Ball and a ball comes to the upper flipper I certainly try for the high jackpot loop shot - however I also invariably miss.

Are the new rules consistent with the TREX lights on the apron and the text beside it?

I have never tried to loop the helicopter shot. That flipper is purely for TRex shots (but if the code was updated I'd definitely start trying for them)

It still does stuff even without the code update, namely Hold Raptors with two shots to it, which if you are decent at hitting the raptor pit can actually be worthwhile. It also completes the combo that does exist in code now.

Sounds great.
...Can you show us some updates on your youtube channel?
Perhaps just some gameplay with your code? I think every JP owner will notices what's new.

I would love to see and hear some changes from your update.

I am really bad at it. If I do it two or three times in a row I am happy. For a skill comparison, I have made the loop on ST pro 6 times in a row.

I'm the same as the others, three loops at most so far

Not very good at it. More often I get the ball into the T-Rex scoop. It is a tight shot to make into the narrow entrance requiring a perfect position on the UP flipper to make. I have my boat kick out saucer adjusted to kick the ball slowly and that helps slow it down to get a smoother/ more consistent roll to the upper flipper. Hitting that shot is almost more by accident during loop shots. I just now got to where I can make the left outer loop shot thru the pops more consistently by changing one of the post rubbers to a smaller one( the post next to lower left Pop bumper). It is definitely more fun to make the loops. If I make the inner loop shot two times in row, it is rare for me.

Overall i would say the game is hard. Which makes it great to own.

With a longer ballsave time and raptor-kickback ballsave time the game is less frustrating.
To me this and the stampede changes alone makes the game awesome. With all the other changes Chad did the game is outstanding! I love to read this thread and can't wait to see it. Thank you Chad for all the toil that you're stuck in the code to make a good game even better.

The second this is out, shut up and take my money.

Okay...this game is good but I'm really getting sick of the ball draining coming right out of the pop bumpers. Last night it did it right off the launch (which got fired back into play) and then immediately drained again! Two consecutive balls launched and two that never got touched by a flipper.

Like i said longer ballsaver is key.

I don't think this can be sold I think it must be free

LOL. Well you certainly don't think he's spending hours a day, buying the ROMs, and shipping them for free do you? You post screams selfishness.

Cost of chips + shipping is one thing but selling the code with out a free download to say use your own burner is an other.

That's the perfect way to do things. I got the SW update for a friend, did a voluntary contribution for the work. Everyone happy.
Radiohead did this for one of their albums - download for free, if you like it - contribute some money to them. I wish the whole world worked this way and people were honest enough to make it work.

It's also cool that Stern does not have an issue with as well.

There have been others who are not so hot with 3rd part dates to older games or to stuff that they own due to buying out the rights.

I suck at it...