I think you could make a case for +50 games being the GOAT. I think both of Elwin's games would be in that group. For me Jurassic Park falls a bit short on the artwork. It's not bad, I just prefer Zombie Yeti.

Move along JJP fanboy

You got that right!!!

I enjoy, and have been impressed with Keith Elwin's Iron Maiden and Jurassic Park designs so far.

However, to call any game that has been released within the past couple years the "GOAT" seems premature. His 2 games are very impressive NEW games and fun to play. People are still in the honeymoon phase especially with JP2, since the game is still being developed.

However GOAT has a strong link to longevity. (Keith, coincidentally, has been referred to as the GOAT player for a while now because he has dominated the scene for ages.)

The EM/SS/DMD games that people have been fawning over for the past several decades are the actual contenders for GOAT in each respective category. Will people be as in love with Stern's Jurassic Park down the road? Time will tell (literally).

If people still feel the same way about it in 10, 15, 20 years from now, then sure, add it to the list of GOAT contenders.

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Looking to trade for a Jurassic Park LE if anyone wants to move one.. Let me know. Thanks!

don't know if it has been said, but what is the time of the ball with this one? it depends on your skills but if i you can make comparisons with other games (woz, twd, ..) i would appreciate. thanks

Moderate ball times. Not super long or short. I’d compare to something like Tron or AC/DC or Metallica.

In my collection: Longer than Taxi or ST:TNG, shorter than Whirlwind.

well, i think it is perfect for GOAT game!

Obviously too early to tell, but so far I'm always exited to play JP when i'm out. Game has so many ways to approach it and trying to progress is fun, challenging and rewarding. Much like Lyman games where there is some simplicity mixed with complexity and a lot of nuance. Keith gets it and his idea for rules mixed with some really cool layouts makes for instant classics so far. Plus i'm always a sucker for upper flipper shots.

Fantastic game. Up there with TZ for best games ever IMO.

Is there another game in all of pinball that has shorter average ball times than STTNG?

For me, it was always Flash Gordon. Crazy brutal.

What.

Most games I've played in my life.

2nd greatest.

Nothing will ever compare to playing The Addams Family when it first came out.

It's like the scene in the Wizard of Oz when the black and white film switches to color.

TWD has great code but the layout is awful & JP2 blows it away in that catagory. Also a lot less chopping wood on JP then TWD.

To me JP2 is the best game to date when you take all things into consideration.

By far the best pin I've ever played. The question really is moot however, as how can you question someones subjective point of view. But I can't name a better pin; amazing shots of varying difficulty, very well thought out and challenging rules, love the music and callouts (I'm not a huge JP fan which may be beneficial), it personally has no negatives... besides a few teething mechanical/production issues. Again, I can't think of a better pin.

Not sure how anyone can argue that JP isn't the GOAT...

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Great game but GOAT?
Nah not with that theme.

Man, you don't like dinosaurs?!

Hazoff is a dinosaur, and a grumpy one at that!

I think JPLE might be the best game ever. It’s my favorite layout of all time.

Certainly a good game but a bit early to call GOAT. I think it is miles ahead of Iron Maiden. In my opinion Maiden play field artwork is bad and overall the game feels ‘cheap’.

JJP pirates is GOAT.

I really like afm.

"GOAT" can't be used by a single person, it would be his taste/opinion.
"GOAT" is then refered here to an average general opinion about the game. So let time do its work

Grumpasaurus? you better believe it. I like Dino's, it just didn't click for me in the theme department as a long time keeper. I'll own it again at some point, a Pre next time around. It really is a great game.

Wrong.
Jjp pirates is goat.

Whether or not Jurassic Park is the G.O.A.T. is probably up to personal opinion, but a lot of the criticism in this thread is related to lack of integration of the theme into the game. That is a valid criticism of the game. Well, Tim timlah79 has spent a bunch of time working on a custom audio package that replaces stock audio with dialogue from the actual movie. It really makes the machine true to its billing as a Jurassic Park pinball theme.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stern-jurassic-park-2-custom-code-project/page/10#post-5782808

It's a shame that Stern couldn't do the same. It makes me wonder if obtaining a license and not being able to use all of the content from the source film/music/etc. is something that a pinball manufacturer should pursue. It reminds me of those vinyl LPs as a kid that would be a collection of greatest hits, but were performed by generic bands and not the original artists.

Regardless, I love Stern Jurassic Park and think it's a great (fast) playing pinball machine even if stock theme integration is weak.

It is all what clicks with you. If you think it is the GOAT for you, that's great.

"He's gonna eat the G.O.A.T.!?" - Lex Murphy, Jurassic Park

Prior to owning it, I liked it. Now I love it. The modes make sense. Rules are cool and I actually like the ptemium artwork. The custom audio set elevates it as well.

greatest of all time.. no. i actually like the art work a lot on all 3 versions. its different, so i think that's good. if there is one knock for me on the game, its sort of a story, linear game. vs. star wars or game of thrones, you have a bunch of directions you can do thigks. same with deadpool and batman 66.

now, for challenge and depth, it's up there. also a lot of hidden things here and there. like the fossils and secret skill shots. the shots on the game are awesome too because they are so different.

i would put game of thrones premium/le or deadpool as the goats.

Not the Goat for me. I owned it for 6+ months, played it a lot.

Layout is cool, unique, but ruleset is so complicated. Whoever said it plays like a board game is right, the helicopter shot and mission control room shots are clunky, and the left ramp is such a necessary shot. It really is a generic dinosaur game too, which hurts it.

Very much feels like TSPP to me, super deep, with long ball times.

My biggest complaint is the set trap buttons are an integral part of completing the game, and they just don’t feel satisfying to hit. Love the center spinner and third flipper shots though.

I wish Elwin made it as a wide body, it would have been the best wide body ever.

The sound replacement corrects the one weakness

I want to like this game. But I don’t. Thinking of selling it. :-/

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Well, JP is really great but i still prefer TWD for my part.

I traded my JP Prem for a Met Pro plus a lot of cash and not missing it one bit. The linear rules/paddocks felt like chores, just wasn't fun after the first couple months. The lack of theme integration really started to wear on me as well, it never really felt like Jurassic Park. The helicopter shot was awful, especially for such a key shot.

Some folks would tell you Met is a kind of chopping wood! I can understand but i like it anyway

JP is a challenging game with some tough shots but not tight...and it is why i like it so much.
JP is brilliant game in my book and it is all what matters

JP is the only game I have right now, and I love it... But not GOAT. Maybe top ten. Maybe even top 5.

Metallica only shows it's woody choppiness as you start getting deep into the game. Up to CIU it's brilliant. But if you are going to EOTL, then it becomes the same thing over, and over, and over, and over one more time. It's fun stuff, but it gets repetitive.

JP shows its wood choppiness right away with each paddock being pretty much the same thing. When I first got my JP, I thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Unfortunately that wore off quick, and it was time to move it on after 6 month or so. At the end of the day, I just didn't find the shots to be all that satisfying (unique yes, satisfying to me, no), and most of the modes didn't get me pumped up and sucked into the game (other than the T-Rex modes...those are great...the rest just didn't live up to them, paddocks especially which are the bulk of the game). It's definitely a good, unique game. But far from GOAT, for me at least. Six months ago me would have argued with present day me on both the repetitiveness and the GOAT status, LOL. I can definitely see why some feel it's the best though...just not for me.

Agree that shot is terrible. I feel like a lot of shots are like chopping wood on this dumb game. Not even a top 20 for me. Just don’t like it.

Did you play it a lot prior to buying?

Nope, never do. It’s ok.