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Jungle lord help

By DEN

7 years ago


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#1 7 years ago

Well guys, i got this junk jungle lord, want to make it playable again.

Its in crappy condition. Alot of "jumper wires" made by the operators.

Got no batteries.

Turn game on. All gi lights. No cpu cpntrolled lights comes on.

Display locks on with text 2503 2.
When i cycle through menu, after nr 50. It clicks from coindoor and writes again 2502 2.

The one digit led on mpu board turns of. Bur its got two push buttons, when i press the bottom one, the led writes 9.

And coindoor switch it not wired, does it matter??

Pics included, anyone got any idea where too look??

#2 7 years ago

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#3 7 years ago

Sounds like it's in "audit mode" which can happen if there are no batteries installed or if the batteries were changed with the game off. Try turning the game on, then off, then quickly turn it on again. If that gets it working, you may just need to install batteries. Hopefully it's something easy like that!

Edit: And tape off those wires for the coin door switches for now! Don't want them touching anything they shouldn't be!

#4 7 years ago

On and off trick dident help.
This CAN work without any batteries right??

#5 7 years ago

Pretty sure it should work even without batteries. I'd try installing batteries if you have some though, just to be sure. Have you checked voltages at the various test points?

Edit: looking at Clay's guide, it says the coin door has to be open when you switch the game on/off/on to get it to boot past audit mode. Forgot to mention that!

#6 7 years ago

No, it kinda needs batteries to get to start mode, IIRC (could rememeber it wrong though), but you have more luck then i have with my JL since you have displays, i have switched out ROMS, soldered everything, new fresh 5101 NVRAM adapter installed on the MPU, and still nothing, just GI lights.

#7 7 years ago

You could instal a 2101 ram if you have one. I use this ram when testing the cpu board.

#8 7 years ago

Inastlled a 9v battery and nothing changed

Okey if coindoor must bee open, then its not important that doorswitch is wired

#9 7 years ago

I'd start checking voltages at the power supply board and at the test points on the mpu and driver boards. It's probably going to need the 40-pin connector replaced (male and female) and it may need new sockets for the ROM chips and RAM chip if they are the crummy Scanbe sockets. I'd definitely start by measuring voltages though.

#10 7 years ago

Any link or info, what voltage where?

#11 7 years ago

Den,

If I recall the boards in this machine are really screwed up and they are prob not worth trying to debug the machine with. I wouldn't waste a lot of time on them.

Post a pic for everyone to see.

Did you ever get your BK working?

If so you might want to swap the board sets and see if the JL will boot up. It might even play with the BK boards but it will be wonky.

If you really want to test it you could swap out the 2 game chips.

#12 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Any link or info, what voltage where?

Well i measured this on my JL

Powersupply 3 testknobs:
3.12.1
2. 0
4. 14.7

MPU testknobs:
5. 04.79
6. 02.33
8. 04.83
2. 03.83
4. 00.80
9. 05.92
10. 0 (ground)
7. 04.86
13. 03.89
1. 12.1

Might be helpful.

#13 7 years ago
Quoted from Black_Knight:

Den,
If I recall the boards in this machine are really screwed up and they are prob not worth trying to debug the machine with. I wouldn't waste a lot of time on them.
Post a pic for everyone to see.
Did you ever get your BK working?
If so you might want to swap the board sets and see if the JL will boot up. It might even play with the BK boards but it will be wonky.
If you really want to test it you could swap out the 2 game chips.

Ohhhh mr. Black knight, thank you for all your help

Yes i took display board from my jl and put it in my bk and bam all displayes work.
Swapped soundboard also. Bk soundboard burns both fuses right away.

Played bk. Supricingley awesome gameplay, but everytime i knocked down a dropdown target, it counts down 10 sec or so to knock down the rest. This stressing constant sound made me crazy, also my pin friends. Just sold the bk.
I have very limited roome at home, and got my rusty jungle lord home now.
Yes its a dumpster pin, BUT im thinking gameplay looks pretty similar to bk, maby even better layout, dont know yet, but if jl dont have the annoyong sound, it woukd bee great.
Pf if incredibly dirty. All rubber allmost gone. But under the dust i looks good. Cabinet is real nice condition. Backglass is 9.4/10 really nice. It would bee great to make it playable. I know it will cost me many many hours.

Would bee great if anyone knew what code 2503 3 ment

#14 7 years ago

And i know the 40 connector is just ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ But before a full reatoration. I want the game to boot up.

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#15 7 years ago

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#16 7 years ago
Quoted from Luzur:

Well i measured this on my JL
Powersupply 3 testknobs:
3.12.1
2. 0
4. 14.7
MPU testknobs:
5. 04.79
6. 02.33
8. 04.83
2. 03.83
4. 00.80
9. 05.92
10. 0 (ground)
7. 04.86
13. 03.89
1. 12.1
Might be helpful.

Waouwwwe. Now this is some nice info.

Psu.
3. 12.78
2. 0.00
4. -14.80

Mpu
5. 4.85
6. 2.52
8. 4.93
2. 3.89
4. 3.87
9. 5.02
10. 0.00
7. 4.99
13. 2.25
1. 12.75

Now we dont have same resoults. Where must i look??

#17 7 years ago

You can find the code meaning on a note in the backbox.

Or in case you dont have the note there anymore:

https://s27.postimg.org/k3p1btrdv/System_7_code.jpg

You having code 3 means IC17 Rom 2 Faulty.

And well, my JL have almost the same problem as yours, starts but shows only GI but no displays, and ive switched out 5101, all the game roms, and the 6808 ROMS on the MPU board, resoldered the 40 pin (+ every other contract) and is currently waiting for a Powersupply kit from Big Daddy to arrive so i can rebuild the powersupply to see if that fixes my problems, otherwise its either switching out the PIA chips or buy a Rottendog multiboard.

#18 7 years ago

Ohhh man. Sucks that your pin diesent work after all that work.

Where is ic17 rom 2 located??

#19 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Ohhh man. Sucks that your pin diesent work after all that work.
Where is ic17 rom 2 located??

The chip with the yellow marking is IC17 Rom 2, if you remove it, make sure you put it back in the right direction, there is a small mark on
the chip which must correspond with the mark on the socket.

The rest are the chips i have and currently am replacing on my JL.

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#20 7 years ago

Ohhhhh loook at the legs on my ic17.
Wanted to try researing it. But legs are solderd on. Think it will crack if i take the rom off

#21 7 years ago

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#22 7 years ago

Ald also. THANKS for that nice explanation pic

#23 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Ohhhhh loook at the legs on my ic17.
Wanted to try researing it. But legs are solderd on. Think it will crack if i take the rom off

They soldered the game rom? Huh, well you need to desolder that since it should be easy to take in & out with a socket.

#24 7 years ago

Hmmmm you marked ic17 as right middle. Om my rom it says ic20 on the label.

Right top is labeled ic17

Shoukd i replace them??

#25 7 years ago

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#26 7 years ago

Hmmm switching ic 17 and 20 did not help.

Now led says 0

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#27 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Hmmmm you marked ic17 as right middle. Om my rom it says ic20 on the label.
Right top is labeled ic17
Shoukd i replace them??

You dont have the manual? Im working from the manual here, and IC17 is in that spot.

http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/1338/Williams_1981_Jungle_Lord_Manual.pdf

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Btw, i heard that the game roms might be labeled wrong in some JL's, so you might have that problem.

#28 7 years ago

Hmmm wierd. No have no manuel

Ran into a wall with this project

#29 7 years ago

Print the one i just gave you then in the PDF file

#30 7 years ago

Rom 1 = 2716 eprom top right socket
Rom 2 = 2532 eprom middle right socket

#31 7 years ago
Quoted from vec-tor:

Rom 1 = 2716 eprom top right socket
Rom 2 = 2532 eprom middle right socket

Okey. This means i have to order new rom for jl?

Is it all 4 ics that are roms??

Can i use anything from fathom, just to start up jl. JUST for test??

#32 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Okey. This means i have to order new rom for jl?
Is it all 4 ics that are roms??
Can i use anything from fathom, just to start up jl. JUST for test??

IC26, IC20, IC17 and IC14 is the game roms, and i dunno if you can use other Game ROMS, but as long as its System 7 i dont think it will do any harm.

#33 7 years ago

Before ordering ROM's, there's one more trick to try.
If it's even getting into audit mode than the checksum's are coming back ok.
You're VERY close to running the game mode.

The stuff from Fathom won't work at all. Bally vs Williams were completely different in that era.

Can you cycle through the audit's ok with the buttons on the coin door?
If so, try going down from #1 to #41, then back up again to #1. In system-7 machines this will actually get you out of audit mode if everything is ok with your 5101 RAM, and into attract mode.

-Hans

#34 7 years ago

Doo you mean just cycle through to 50??
When i doo that it escapes from the menu. Resets. And starts up again with same text on display.

Does this mean that 5101ram is dead??

#35 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Doo you mean just cycle through to 50??
When i doo that it escapes from the menu. Resets. And starts up again with same text on display.
Does this mean that 5101ram is dead??

I do not know, i dont even have displays that shows anything, and after ive tried to switch sockets and the PIA chips im gonna simple buy new boards and hopefully be done with the troubleshooting for awhile.

#36 7 years ago

Have you checked out pinball palace uk. They have combo board with mou and solonid in one

#37 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Have you checked out pinball palace uk. They have combo board with mou and solonid in one

Yeah, i know of the comboboards, but £199 + shipping though..... i already ordered new sockets and PIA chips, so im gonna wait and see if that fixes it, otherwise i'll sell the old boards as-is and buy the combo board.

Anyway, that is as far as i can guide you on JL, resolder all the connectors on all the boards, check the volts, rebuild the powersupply board, check the fuses, pull and reset the Game ROMS, switch the 6808, and switch the 5101 to a NVRAM (so you get rid of the batteries), check the sockets for the chips and switch to new ones, switch out the PIA chips, switch out the Game ROMS completely (remember to put them in right), and if all that dont work, well you can go deeper with one of those checkpens and check signals in the chip legs and soforth, or just buy a combo board.

#38 7 years ago

Is that the interconnect wired together?

If so, maybe that combo board is your best bet. If I'm seeing things (flashbacks and all) then maybe replace the interconnect along with whatever sockets and headers you were going to replace?

-Brian

#39 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Does this mean that 5101ram is dead??

I know for a fact on system 3,4 & 6 that a bad 5101 will not let you out of audit mode.
They are known for going bad.
Also, do not use a 9 volt battery. It is designed for 3 AA batteries which is 4.5 volts.

#40 7 years ago

Isint jungle lord system7??

Does this means that i just need to replace 5101 ic??

#41 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Isint jungle lord system7

Williams
Jungle Lord is system 7. Like Black Knight, All 7 digit display games
by Williams electronics made during the 1980's were system 7.
The only odd one was Alien Poker.

#42 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

Isint jungle lord system7??
Does this means that i just need to replace 5101 ic??

It still have a 5101, switch to NVram

#43 7 years ago

Okey. Got a brand new 5101 in sealing now. Before i plug it in, what doo i check?? Just to make sure i dont ruin the new chip?

I know they are really fragile

#44 7 years ago

Take redundant measures to eliminate static electricity from your person and work area.

#45 7 years ago

Update!!!!

Swapped all 4 rom ic from cosmic gunfight.
New screen on display.

2502 1. At player one display

And

04 00 at player two display

Cycling through to 50. Resets and starts ud in same display.

Update. Put in total new 5101 ic helped nothing at all

#46 7 years ago

What does this message mean??

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#47 7 years ago

Okey. New problem.
Voltage at psu plug 3 id now only 1.4
2 is 0.0
And
3 is -2.0

Where is my power at now??????
Whatttt

#48 7 years ago

Hmmm, well, mayeb you should check the connections to the powersupply board, and/or maybe recap it too while you are at it.

#49 7 years ago

Just replaced the big diode on the psu board. Now got perfect 12.9volts

Checked at upper left corner of mpu board and i reads 12.9

#50 7 years ago
Quoted from DEN:

What does this message mean??

Game on and in audit mode. Good! If you have batteries and turn
the game on it should go to the game over mode. Or on and off
then on real qwick. ( as not to lose power).

note:2502____1 : *502__rev1 is cosmic gun fight?
Junge Lord is *503

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