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Jumping Jack Restore

By Knxwledge

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

I posted in the "Show Us Your EMs" thread about my $225 Jumping Jack pickup (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/em-show-us-your-em-pinball-machines/page/257#post-6346688); I've decided to make a thread detailing my restoration.
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Here's what's left of the backglass after removal from the game, and vacuuming of giant chunks of art that were damaged beyond repair. Was just curious what's held up in comparison to what hasn't, there was no saving it. I'm going to either buy a repro, send it off to BGResto or try to find a used one.

I pulled the playfield out, cleaned/gapped switches, changed bulbs, cleaned underside of inserts, started to take apart the Bonus stepper unit but found that the coil stop is broken and mushroomed. Needs to be replaced before I move on with that.

Inside the cabinet there wasn't really much of note, but I did think this was funny. Someone wanted quieter chimes I guess
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As I outlined in the initial post the front has seen better days. It's splintering beyond repair, and my plan was to just have a new front made, paint it and call it a day. As I more closely inspect the game though, I noticed things like this splitting on the right inner side:
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The top of the head also has taken on water at some point, same issues as the front. It needs more than just the front rebuilt.

I'm not sure what I want to do, as I don't have the woodworking tools or spray booth setup to do a proper cabinet rebuild/restencil. I also noticed there is paint webbing inside the cabinet but not on the outside, which is very strange. Was it potentially repainted at some point?? I don't see how that's possible. Did some games leave the factory floor without getting webbed?

#2 2 years ago

I need to replace the drop targets, as 2 are broken, and one is generic. Is it worth the money to replace the springs, or will the old ones suffice?

#3 2 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

I need to replace the drop targets, as 2 are broken, and one is generic. Is it worth the money to replace the springs, or will the old ones suffice?

The old ones are nearly always reusable. Unless they’ve been molested (stretched, shortened, modified) then they should be just fine.

I have a nice set of original drop targets (all 10 of them) that are cleaned up and ready for another game. You can have them for $20 shipped. Let me know if you are interested.

#4 2 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

I posted in the "Show Us Your EMs" thread about my $225 Jumping Jack pickup (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/em-show-us-your-em-pinball-machines/page/257#post-6346688); I've decided to make a thread detailing my restoration.
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Here's what's left of the backglass after removal from the game, and vacuuming of giant chunks of art that were damaged beyond repair. Was just curious what's held up in comparison to what hasn't, there was no saving it. I'm going to either buy a repro, send it off to BGResto or try to find a used one.
I pulled the playfield out, cleaned/gapped switches, changed bulbs, cleaned underside of inserts, started to take apart the Bonus stepper unit but found that the coil stop is broken and mushroomed. Needs to be replaced before I move on with that.
Inside the cabinet there wasn't really much of note, but I did think this was funny. Someone wanted quieter chimes I guess
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As I outlined in the initial post the front has seen better days. It's splintering beyond repair, and my plan was to just have a new front made, paint it and call it a day. As I more closely inspect the game though, I noticed things like this splitting on the right inner side:
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The top of the head also has taken on water at some point, same issues as the front. It needs more than just the front rebuilt.
I'm not sure what I want to do, as I don't have the woodworking tools or spray booth setup to do a proper cabinet rebuild/restencil. I also noticed there is paint webbing inside the cabinet but not on the outside, which is very strange. Was it potentially repainted at some point?? I don't see how that's possible. Did some games leave the factory floor without getting webbed?

JJ came with webbing. Its looks like someone painted the cab...

Quoted from leckmeck:

The old ones are nearly always reusable. Unless they’ve been molested (stretched, shortened, modified) then they should be just fine.
I have a nice set of original drop targets (all 10 of them) that are cleaned up and ready for another game. You can have them for $20 shipped. Let me know if you are interested.

I wasn't going to respond until the JIB/JJ guru weighed in!

The factory cabinet has webbing. The cabinet (what I can see), is obviously painted. Which explains the webbing on the interior and not on the exterior.

Keep posting pictures!

#5 2 years ago

I saved a jungle queen cab that was far worse than that. You can work wood glue into the layers and joints that have separated and then clamp it overnight. You’d be amazed at how flat you can get it with the right assortment of pipe clamps, C-clamps, and squeeze clamps.

I laughed at the chime picture. It ain’t right to silence great gottlieb chimes

Good luck,

Dave

#6 2 years ago
Quoted from leckmeck:

The old ones are nearly always reusable. Unless they’ve been molested (stretched, shortened, modified) then they should be just fine.
I have a nice set of original drop targets (all 10 of them) that are cleaned up and ready for another game. You can have them for $20 shipped. Let me know if you are interested.

Would you be able to sell me just 4? I really don't need a whole set. If not I understand

Quoted from TwinDavid:

JJ came with webbing. Its looks like someone painted the cab...

I wasn't going to respond until the JIB/JJ guru weighed in!
The factory cabinet has webbing. The cabinet (what I can see), is obviously painted. Which explains the webbing on the interior and not on the exterior.
Keep posting pictures!

Here's a photo of the side. That's wild that someone went to the trouble of repainting the cabinet. It has wear from age like scuffs, scrapes, etc etc. which made me think it was original. Must have been repainted some time ago.
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#7 2 years ago
Quoted from dgAmpGuy:

I saved a jungle queen cab that was far worse than that. You can work wood glue into the layers and joints that have separated and then clamp it overnight. You’d be amazed at how flat you can get it with the right assortment of pipe clamps, C-clamps, and squeeze clamps.
I laughed at the chime picture. It ain’t right to silence great gottlieb chimes
Good luck,
Dave

That's cool, and gives me hope. I really like keeping things original where possible. I had to tear off large chunks of the front paneling because the coin door hinges were obstructed. I would have to get it flat as I could then fill it in with bondo. I realized that getting a new front piece would be harder than I thought due to the slight notch where the coin door frame is mounted.

Pinball Pimp said he would sell me just the front cabinet stencil for $20 + ship if I wanted to go that route.

#8 2 years ago

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Anyone know where I can get the correct coil stop for the Bonus Unit? I search the part number circled in red and get no results.

#9 2 years ago

does it use the replaceable A-4862 stop (3/16" tall) with 8-32 threads?

#10 2 years ago
Quoted from baldtwit:

does it use the replaceable A-4862 stop (3/16" tall) with 8-32 threads?

Looks like 8-32 threads, 5/16" tall.

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#11 2 years ago

Yup, that looks like A-4862 coil stop which is stocked at Pinball Resource. The Player Unit also uses it.

#12 2 years ago

Something weird I noticed is these 2 pieces of plastic wedged in the transformer. What is the purpose of that?

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#13 2 years ago

To stop buzzing?

#14 2 years ago

That's to keep the transformer quiet. Sometimes the windings inside the transformer become loose and cause humming/buzzing noises. This method of wedging in plastic or wooden wedges silences the noises. Leave them alone.

#15 2 years ago

So I suppose we already knew this, but I looked closer at the artwork and I can tell where someone masked it off for repainting.
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Got through cleaning all the score reels, as well as all contacts. Not too much of note, but there was 1 screw missing from both switch stacks on the M (100 pt) relay.
Also I took apart the drop target reset coils to inspect the stops (they are rough, and so is one of the plungers for the reset arm), and as I was doing so, these coils just fell apart on me. Both of them in the exact same way; whatever glue was holding the paper bits together has completely dissipated. The winding appears to be completely intact. Are these salvageable? I would prefer not to spend $20 on coils if I don't need to.
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#16 2 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

So I suppose we already knew this, but I looked closer at the artwork and I can tell where someone masked it off for repainting.
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Got through cleaning all the score reels, as well as all contacts. Not too much of note, but there was 1 screw missing from both switch stacks on the M (100 pt) relay.
Also I took apart the drop target reset coils to inspect the stops (they are rough, and so is one of the plungers for the reset arm), and as I was doing so, these coils just fell apart on me. Both of them in the exact same way; whatever glue was holding the paper bits together has completely dissipated. The winding appears to be completely intact. Are these salvageable? I would prefer not to spend $20 on coils if I don't need to.
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Yes, if you want just cut some paper, wrap it around coil and glue.

#17 2 years ago
Quoted from Spiderpin:

Yes, if you want just cut some paper, wrap it around coil and glue.

I posted this on Facebook and had similar responses. My picture wasn't very good I guess. The wrapping is fine, but both ends of the coil completely fell off. I decided to buy new coils because I don't think it's salvageable.

Put in my order to PBR, and while I wait for that I'm going to get started on the playfield. (some of this is extras I'd like to have on hand, and the Bally coil is for my Air Aces but you get the point)
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#18 2 years ago

Disassembled playfield
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#19 2 years ago

Playfield completely cleaned with Novus 2, not waxed yet. Im going to look into methods of fixing inserts using polycrylic/clear acrylic. They are quite sunken

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#20 2 years ago

The playfield itself has taken on some water damage as well, but luckily only at the very front behind the coin door

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#21 2 years ago
Quoted from Knxwledge:

Im going to look into methods of fixing inserts using polycrylic/clear acrylic. They are quite sunken
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Mine are sunken as well. Incandescent bulbs did a number on them. I'll be keeping up with this restoration as I'll need to do the same.

Quoted from Knxwledge:

The wrapping is fine, but both ends of the coil completely fell off. I decided to buy new coils because I don't think it's salvageable.
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Peace of mind.

#22 2 years ago
Quoted from Spiderpin:

Mine are sunken as well. Incandescent bulbs did a number on them. I'll be keeping up with this restoration as I'll need to do the same.

We'll be learning together, it'll be my first time attempting something like this. The two near the saucer holes aren't bad but the rest, especially the 10x Bonus Value When Lit inserts are pretty bad. I might have a spare used insert in a few bins of roached out EM parts I have, so I'll practice on that first. I bought this Polyurethane and am going to try applying it with an eye dropper, then shave any excess off with a razer. If the eye dropper doesn't work I have some cheap little paint brushes
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#23 2 years ago

both ends of the coil fell off? No coil sleeve in there?

even with a sleeve, one end can do what your pic shows. It's won't affect anything as long as you keep the wire going in the same direction around the sleeve when you put it back together.

the paper wrapping doesn't really matter either. Keeps a little dust off, but it's mostly for identification. The old gtb coils had the part number stamped into the end piece with the lugs.

many old style coils were wound directly around the sleeve. Replacing a worn sleeve was sometimes possible ... depends if/how easy the old one came out and if you had a special tool. Even with the special tool, my success rate at getting a sleeve out is maybe 20%.

without the special tool, the coil ends would usually do what yours did when you took out the sleeve. You just thread everything onto the new sleeve and the coil stop/bracket would squish it all together.

new style coils are wound around a plastic bobbin and then a plastic sleeve goes in. Those sleeves usually slide out easily unless the coil has overheated.

#24 2 years ago
Quoted from baldtwit:

both ends of the coil fell off? No coil sleeve in there?
even with a sleeve, one end can do what your pic shows. It's won't affect anything as long as you keep the wire going in the same direction around the sleeve when you put it back together.
the paper wrapping doesn't really matter either. Keeps a little dust off, but it's mostly for identification. The old gtb coils had the part number stamped into the end piece with the lugs.
many old style coils were wound directly around the sleeve. Replacing a worn sleeve was sometimes possible ... depends if/how easy the old one came out and if you had a special tool. Even with the special tool, my success rate at getting a sleeve out is maybe 20%.
without the special tool, the coil ends would usually do what yours did when you took out the sleeve. You just thread everything onto the new sleeve and the coil stop/bracket would squish it all together.
new style coils are wound around a plastic bobbin and then a plastic sleeve goes in. Those sleeves usually slide out easily unless the coil has overheated.

The cardboard piece that the coil is wrapped around remained intact, and there were nylon sleeves, but as you can see both flat ends (the rectangular one with the lugs on it, and the opposite circle end) came off completely.

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#25 2 years ago

I wanted to experiment with the polyurethane before using it on the game. I put some of it on this junk pop bumper cap, and while not entirely analagous to a sunken insert, is going to help me see how it sets, and how to use the razer. Im surprised at how fast it set, it was about 50% set in a minute of application

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#26 2 years ago

Hold on a minute, I used my noggin and found something a lot more applicable. An arcade machine concave button. Lot better of a test piece to experiment with

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#27 2 years ago

I'm not an expert, but maybe do a little polyurethane at a time. Let it set-up and dry between coats until concave is filled in and level.

#28 2 years ago
Quoted from Spiderpin:

I'm not an expert, but maybe do a little polyurethane at a time. Let it set-up and dry between coats until concave is filled in and level.

I know next to nothing about this method, just going off a Facebook comment, and I couldn't find a Youtube guide. I will see how this dries and if it dries poorly I will do what you suggested. I appreciate the help

#29 2 years ago

Yeah globbing the polyurethane on there yeilded less than impressive results. I will probably do it in 2 or 3 stages to ensure it can dry clear.
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#30 2 years ago

Continued putting the playfield back together with the rubber kit but PBR goofed and sent me 2 incorrectly sized rubbers. I also found that one of the pop bumper yoke arms that stick through the playfield are broken on one of them, so I need to order one of those.20210705_193044.jpg20210705_193044.jpg

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I also goofed and ordered the wrong coils for the drop target bank so Im gonna see about returning those

#31 2 years ago

Its hard to get on camera, but 2 coats into the polyurethane on the inserts, and I would say Im happy overall. I got worried about how much I had put on some of them the first coat, so when it had dried a bit I globbed it off. Dont do that- theres definitely a noticable ring where it had started to dry then was wiped away. Also, there are slight dimples/air bubbles, the glaze isnt perfect. A lot of this is moot though because you can really only see it when theres a glare directly on top of the insert.

Im gonna go a couple more coats at least, then either carefully sand it or shave it with a razer if it goes over the playfield's height. Pic 1 is of it drying, pic 2 is a dried insert after 2 coats, pic 3 is the inserts as they are now from a player's perspective

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#32 2 years ago

Working on trying to make this as smooth as possible, then I need to staple the panel in a few spots to keep it from moving with my pneumatic staple gun. After that I will get it smooth with Bondo, then paint it. I am also planning on painting the front of the head because it is quite worn.

I know this might make some people cringe but I dont have the money or tools to do a perfect cabinet rebuild/repaint. Just looking to make it presentable, and if I sell it in the future, someone else can do a full rebuild if they wish

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#33 2 years ago

Ive realized that the initial layer of wood is too far gone, it needs to go. Im tearing away the really damaged layer to reveal the flatter wood not exposed to the elements. This will have the drawback of causing the coin door strike not to sit flush with the wood but that's okay

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#34 2 years ago

I cant make up my mind on what to do here!! Im going to text a woodworker I know and see if he can quote me for a whole new front panel. Im very indecisive right now lol

Edit: Nevermind, he wanted $300. Out of the budget

#35 2 years ago

I used a spatula to put wood glue between the layers. Then I used flat boards, c-clamps, compression clamps, and pipe clamps to get everything flat. That allowed me to save a couple of cabinets that had that type of damage. I wish I had seen your post before you tore that top layer off...

Dave

#36 2 years ago

We use those woodworking syringes to put wood glue between the lifted layers. Then clamp it down and let it set for 24 hours.

#37 2 years ago
Quoted from dgAmpGuy:

I used a spatula to put wood glue between the layers. Then I used flat boards, c-clamps, compression clamps, and pipe clamps to get everything flat. That allowed me to save a couple of cabinets that had that type of damage. I wish I had seen your post before you tore that top layer off...
Dave

Oh no! Fuck, well live and learn

The top layer might be gone but I think I can still make it look decent. Really the only difference is that the coin door strike isn't going to sit level with the wood. I can live with that

#38 2 years ago

I would buy a piece of veneer(as cheap as possible) of the correct thickness and replace the piece you removed. It will be no more work than you have in store to make adjustments.

#39 2 years ago
Quoted from MikeO:

I would buy a piece of veneer(as cheap as possible) of the correct thickness and replace the piece you removed. It will be no more work than you have in store to make adjustments.

Ive not worked with veneer, would they trim it, or would I have to trim it? Is that what you mean by adjustments?

#40 2 years ago

I *really* cant make my mind up on this project. I just had the urge to redo the entire cabinet. I think it'd be fun. I feel a lot less bad about stripping paint that's been repainted at some point. I have no spray booth setup, but I think my dad has a sprayer I can borrow, Ive got a palm sander (which I did the head with today), Im decent at bondo.

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#41 2 years ago

Some questions on spraying a cabinet.
-Is this Kilz primer good? https://www.amazon.com/Restoration-Maximum-Blocking-Interior-1-gallon/dp/B007XH9PKO/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
-I had the white and blue colormatched at the hardware store from the head of the cabinet. It's latex satin paint, is it usable in a sprayer? I did some research but couldn't find a specific type of paint people used
-Do I need to thin either the paint or primer? Is that based on the gun/tip I'm using?
-I see people remove the old paint with a paint remover chemical. Is there a reason not to just use a random orbital sander like I did for the head? Worked really well using 80 grit, I was going to lightly go over it in 220 before I sprayed primer.

#42 2 years ago

Heres what my inserts look like after 4 coats of polyurethane. From a normal perspective they look clear with the exception of a couple which dried very light milky white. To try to demonstrate how flat they are now I put a razor directly over the insert. Not perfect but absolutely miles better than before

I shined a light to highlight the imperfections I was talking about. Really only visible under direct light/glare. I experimented with dry sanding and using a razer to shave it down on the arcade button I experimented on and neither worked well. For that reason Im not looking to build it up higher than the playfield. I might do one more coat but Id rather have it slightly lower and still looking nice than even but mangled looking

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#43 2 years ago

Your inserts are looking good. Looks like thin coats work great. It's gotta help to eliminate any air pockets and may stop the milky white when drying. Plus you can sand in between coats. My Jumping Jack has been waiting for me to do just what your going. It's been 3 years now and probably will be another 6 months before I can start. The game was working 100% and then I removed everything and bagged it up. Can't wait to have time and get back to playing the pin.

#44 2 years ago
Quoted from Spiderpin:

Your inserts are looking good. Looks like thin coats work great. It's gotta help to eliminate any air pockets and may stop the milky white when drying. Plus you can sand in between coats. My Jumping Jack has been waiting for me to do just what your going. It's been 3 years now and probably will be another 6 months before I can start. The game was working 100% and then I removed everything and bagged it up. Can't wait to have time and get back to playing the pin.

How do you sand it? A bit too late for me to sand in between coats but i dry sanded with 220 on the test button and it looked like crap. Finer grit sand paper? Wet sanding?

#45 2 years ago

Wet sand and 2000 grit or higher sandpaper.

#46 2 years ago

I use the same stuff that is used for high end guitar finishes. Check out stewmac.com. They have a lot of videos on fixing chips and scratches that actually maps pretty well to playfield surgery. I use the micro mesh sanding pads wet to get the final shine, with 400 and 800 grit to do the rough sanding.

My favorite tip from them is using scotch tape at the ends of a razor blade do that you can use it as a scraper and shave down the high spots on your fills before you start sanding. The other thing to be careful of is that the poly you are using is probably harder than the original finish, so be careful with your sanding. I use lacquer because it’s whats on the original surface and I’m only doing touchups, but it takes a lot of coats. Whatever works for everybody is what’s important.

Good luck,
Dave

#47 2 years ago

Worked on stripping and bondo-ing the head today. On the second layer of bondo I didn't wait long enough for it to dry and it started gumming up the pad of the sander. Will need to do a little bit more bondo work but it's coming along nicely.

For getting the wood smooth before primer, should I go higher than 220 grit?

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#48 2 years ago

Looking over the rest of the body, there isn't too much structural work that needs to be done besides what I've already outline with the front and the inner cabinet above the right flipper. A couple edges are slightly chipped, and the neck is starting to split, but the rest of it looks nice.

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#49 2 years ago

Apologies if already mentioned, but your flipper alignment is off... that game has its flipper configuration a little higher... they're not parallel to the metal snubber guide rails below the flips... see the JJ Install Procedures manual for detailed view... if you don't have a manual you can also check out the flyer on IPDB for validation. I've had my JJ for 20 years and it's never going anywhere.

#50 2 years ago

Here’s a bit of trivia worth knowing: your lockdown bar belongs to an earlier game. Jumping Jack came with unified end caps on its moulding. This is not something worth trying to source a correct replacement on eBay because it will cost you an arm and a leg, but maybe you can work out a trade with another collector who has a similarly mismatched lockdown bar on one of their games. The “Seeking Parts” topic is a good place for that.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-em-seeking-parts-thread

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