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Project Broken Eagle....(JD)

By RampShot11

9 years ago


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#1 9 years ago

Hi Guys, I just picked up a Judge Dredd that was severely neglected, cabinet is in rough shape, missing the driver board and the dot matrix control board looks fried. Play field looks excellent and every ramp is in great shape, they just need to be cleaned. I am currently stripping the whole play field and am wondering if I should try to restore it or part it out. I am still new to fixing pins. Thanks in advance for the input.

#2 9 years ago

Tough call man.. I suppose it depends how much ya got into it. Hopefully nobody hacked up any of the wiring

#3 9 years ago

Make efforts to restore it. Boards are available. From your description, it doesn't sound all that bad.

And heck, if the deadworld motor works, you're golden.

It's always sad when a machine is parted out. That just means there's one less of them in the world.

But, if you don't want it, I'd consider taking it off your hands

#4 9 years ago

Fix it/shop it out and play/enjoy it.
Wait for Planetary Pinball to make the cabinet decals and then worry about the cabinet at that time.

That is what I'm doing. Damn good game.

#5 9 years ago

Trust me, I would love nothing more than restore it and keep it but the more I take it apart the more intimated I get in regards to getting it back together the right way. Once I receive the driver board , I can see what's really working and what's not. Also , the wiring actually looks good. It doesn't look like any work was ever done to it before.

#6 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

Trust me, I would love nothing more than restore it and keep it but the more I take it apart the more intimated I get in regards to getting it back together the right way. Once I receive the driver board , I can see what's really working and what's not. Also , the wiring actually looks good. It doesn't look like any work was ever done to it before.

This is typical of a project. Just because it may have all the boards, likely there were issues someone decided they didn't want to tackle. Don't let that be you this time. Get to work. You'll enjoy playing that game once it is working.

Just post your issues as you get to them. Many pinsiders here to help.
So you can either buy a new DMD controller board (PinLED and Rottendog I know exist, could be others) and sell the old one on Ebay. It would not be a bad idea to buy a new one and have a spare, especially if you plan on buying more WPC games in the future.

I do suggest staying away from the Rottendog power driver board though.

#7 9 years ago

Can you post a picture of the DMD controller board?
These just naturally get hot being there is so much heat on this board and really no cool air that flows through the backbox. What you think looks fried, may actually just be normal.

#8 9 years ago

if you part it out, it makes mine worth *slightly* more, but NO WAY should it be parted out.
JD is arguably THE best W/B widebody. The only WPC I still own.
If it's too big a job for you to feel comfortable with - sell it to someone who will do it up right!

#9 9 years ago

Restore it...actually pretty fun every time you get closer to a complete machine. Take plenty of pictures, you can always reverse the process.

#10 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

Trust me, I would love nothing more than restore it and keep it but the more I take it apart the more intimated I get in regards to getting it back together the right way. Once I receive the driver board , I can see what's really working and what's not. Also , the wiring actually looks good. It doesn't look like any work was ever done to it before.

Take boatloads of photos with every part that you remove from several different angles. It's very time consuming, but well worth it when it comes time to put things back together.

Yes, arguably, DMD-era machines are much more complicated than older ones. Personally, I would've tackled an older and simpler machine for a first machine to familiarize yourself with all the parts and concepts of a pinball machine before moving onto a more complex one.

#11 9 years ago

Dmd controller can be had here on pinside for $65 rebuilt. The driver board is more but rarely a compete failure. You'll save money if you can find a local repair person. And save shipping.

#12 9 years ago

Thanks for the confidence boasting guys. I'm going for it. And yes I have been taking pictures with every part I remove. It is very time consuming but will help for sure. Here is the pictures of the Dmd controller board. Looks toasted to me. Thanks again for all the suggestions. I'm open to more if anyone has them.

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#13 9 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

But, if you don't want it, I'd consider taking it off your hands

This is the one I showed you on ebay a few weeks ago.
You had your chance lol

#14 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

Here is the pictures of the Dmd controller board. Looks toasted to me.

If you're knowledgeable on electronics and a good solderer that's all repairable. If not then buy a reconditioned board as mentioned above.

Plenty of people here to help you out, just recognize your limitations and if you are interested in doing board work spend some time educating yourself and practice, practice, practice.

#15 9 years ago

I'm a descent solderer with descent knowledge of electronics but new to pinball repair. But thanks for the good advice Terry. It's nice to know you guys will help me through this.
Question: what would you use to clean the optics on all the ramps? There are a butt load of them and they are all filthy as hell.

#16 9 years ago

Windex cleans optos very well.
Don't forget to use alcohol and Qtips/rags to clean under the inserts while you are under the playfield.
Wipe off all the black dust off the lamp boards/bulbs.
New coil sleeves in all the coil assemblies will make a huge difference in how hard everything kicks.
Also suggest white rubbers over black to reduce black dust. Also suggest alternatives over the normal black post rubbers that come with the rubber kits.

#17 9 years ago

Games with a hard life, I change all the opto transmitters. Hell, they are only 75 cents each.

#18 9 years ago

Thank you. Good to know these things. Much appreciated.

#19 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

I'm a descent solderer with descent knowledge of electronics but new to pinball repair.

GPE (great plains electronics) sells high voltage rebuild kits for the DMD, that may be your best bet considering the condition of the board.

#20 9 years ago
Quoted from phillymadison:

This is the one I showed you on ebay a few weeks ago.
You had your chance lol

If you're talking about the one listed by barrywnj, it was listed too high with too many unknowns. It didn't look like a bargain.

Good to hear it wasn't as bad as it looked.

#21 9 years ago

Yes and I got it at a much fairer price than what he had it listed at.

#22 9 years ago

You have a lot of work ahead of you if you want to salvage that DMD controller.

Remove all the components from the HV section, clean it and then look at the charring. The charring should be removed if possible since it conducts (carbon). But sometimes you lose traces in the process of removing the charring. After that you may find you don't have enough to salvage.

HV kit from Ed @ GPE with caps is about $10 + shipping. Compare to a new Rottendog which is about $100 shipped to you.

Good luck though - should be a fun project nonetheless. Dredd is a fun game with lots to do.

viperrwk

#23 9 years ago

Viper. Good to hear from you again. I think I'm going to buy a new board and keep this one as spare parts.

#24 9 years ago

did you find a working Original driver board?

#25 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

Viper. Good to hear from you again. I think I'm going to buy a new board and keep this one as spare parts.

Buying a new board is smart given how much work this one looks like it needs - and the fact that you can get a new one pretty cheap, relatively speaking.

Problem is the only "part" on the board potentially worth salvaging is the memory, which you can buy new RAM anyway and I wouldn't bother desoldering what's there.

Of course, you could use this board to practice repairs...

viperrwk

#26 9 years ago
Quoted from viperrwk:

Of course, you could use this board to practice repairs...

Great idea. Once you've got your game working, go back and play with the old board and see what you can do.

#27 9 years ago

I have just picked up a Judge Dredd that was listed as non working, but really it was just the DeadWorld motor that was gubbed. I spent 5 hours taking it apart and it turned out that it was one of the gears that was slipping on the shaft. I expanded the collar to make it a tight fit again and it now works like a charm.

I also picked up a High Roller Casino in bits 4 month ago (even the back box was snapped off and with boards missing) and after a lot of thinking and parts finding it is finally up and running as of today. So I am pleased you are going for it.

More people like you please.

Eric

#28 9 years ago
Quoted from Paisley_Pinball:

I spent 5 hours taking it apart and it turned out that it was one of the gears that was slipping on the shaft. I expanded the collar to make it a tight fit again and it now works like a charm.

I have done the same on a Dredd once. Not sure it took all of five hours, but the gear stripping on the shaft seems to be the normal failure point in these gear boxes. From what I can tell it is caused when the crane magnet drops into one of the cutouts on the planet ring and prevents it from turning.

Something all Dredd owners should be aware of. Make sure all the set screws on the crane mechanism are good and tight.

#29 9 years ago

I did find the board for about $90 on PBresource. If anyone knows where i can get it cheaper, please let me know. If not then Ill have to go for the $90. Thanks for the kind words and good advice regarding the planet motor.
I've been stripping the game down a little every night. There a tons of parts on this game. Taking the pics before and after I remove a part is the most time consuming part.

#30 9 years ago

Here's a pic before I start stripping it.

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#31 9 years ago

Here's a pic of the end of the first session.

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#32 9 years ago

After second session.

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#33 9 years ago

I have one and think the next thing is powder coat. I've seen a red one anyone have a picture of one powder coated?

#34 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

I did find the board for about $90 on PBresource. If anyone knows where i can get it cheaper, please let me know. If not then Ill have to go for the $90. Thanks for the kind words and good advice regarding the planet motor.
I've been stripping the game down a little every night. There a tons of parts on this game. Taking the pics before and after I remove a part is the most time consuming part.

Here is a DMD controller board ebay.com link: New Pinball Dot Matrix Board Bally Williams A 14039

Or these work for $40 http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=2828

#35 9 years ago

Reach out to johnwartjr, Chris hibler and some of the other board repair guys and see if they have any rebuilt ones

#36 9 years ago

Thanks guys. Will have a look see.

#37 9 years ago
Quoted from legotech1:

I have one and think the next thing is powder coat. I've seen a red one anyone have a picture of one powder coated?

Mine is dust coated.... Bet YA never seen one like this have YA ?

#38 9 years ago

I picked one up for a friend that was from a closing union burger joint. I think it had 1/4 inch of fry grease on certain parts.

#39 9 years ago
Quoted from legotech1:

I picked one up for a friend that was from a closing union burger joint. I think it had 1/4 inch of fry grease on certain parts.

Oh wow. That sounds like a nightmare to get clean. Bad ventilation system in that place.

#40 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

Oh wow. That sounds like a nightmare to get clean. Bad ventilation system in that place.

I worked on a PA system once in a cafeteria (the PA system was used to call folks when their meal was ready). Any equipment that was near the kitchen was clogged with grease. I ended up replacing a mic, an amp, and a speaker (the other speakers were fine since they were far enough away from the kitchen). Grease will simply build up over time. Not much you can do about it.

#41 9 years ago

All the boards are replaceable (going for after market jobbies or getting the originals fixed) and cabinet decals are available. Playfields on JD's are usually in good condition (at least the one's i've seen anyway) so it comes down to CASH at the end of the day!!
My 2 bobs worth is >>> Get the machine up and going again !!! A). Because i hate to see pins get stripped for parts and B). Judge is a fantastic machine to play, fast, furious and also becoming a keeper ( prices for a very good example of this machine are on the rise)

#42 9 years ago

Anyone know how I can bend this back into a straight line without busting it? It's the assembly for the crane.

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#43 9 years ago

Also I rec the new driver board yesterday, does anyone have a picture of what wires go where?

#44 9 years ago

Received

#45 9 years ago

Does anyone know why this board is bugging out? It's making this loud strange beeping noise and the middle light keeps blinking fast.

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#46 9 years ago

Why is there a Fish Tales ROM in there?

#47 9 years ago
Quoted from PinRob:

Why is there a Fish Tales rom in there?

Good catch.

#48 9 years ago

Hmmmmm. I guess that's the problem huh ? I'm new to this and that's how it was when I bought it. I guess that needs replacing?

#49 9 years ago
Quoted from RampShot11:

I guess that needs replacing?

Ahh....yeah. The boards are generic to use in multiple WPC games, but the software (game ROM) is specific to the game, just as the sound ROMs.

#50 9 years ago

Do I need all of these in this board or can I use one in place of the fish tales ROM?

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