That much corrosion is probably going to insolve some desoldering and board work. Rottendog makes a nice replacement if you want to go that far: http://rottendog.us/MPU089.html . An original board will be cheaper if you can find one. The part number should be in your manual
the stuff that's corroded doesn't actually have to do with the memory, it's mostly switch input. It'd probably be feasible to just remove the battery holder and install a new remote battery holder if you're at all comfortable with soldering, and you'd have a pretty good chance at your board working. The corrosion can be neutralized using white vinegar, etc, there are some guides around. That won't get inside the components though if it's gotten that far.
Your switch input wired connectors likely need to be repined based on how much damage I see there. Unplug J205, J212, J206/J207, and J208/J209 at the bottom of the board and J210 on the right side. Can you take some pictures of these disconnected?
I can. I'm going to contact the seller. He said it all was in great shape and see if he'll pay for a new board.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Your switch input wired connectors likely need to be repined based on how much damage I see there. Unplug J205, J212, J206/J207, and J208/J209 at the bottom of the board and J210 on the right side. Can you take some pictures of these disconnected?
If you they might be corroded, they appear to be.
Quoted from Kal_el:I can. I'm going to contact the seller. He said it all was in great shape and see if he'll pay for a new board.
I hope you have some good luck with it. Bought it through Ebay?
Yeah, time to replace that one if you want long term reliable game play. Otherwise, you are going to go through cleaning, replacing components, etc, and even if you get if fully working, a month later crap is just going to start happening.
This board is not economically feasible to repair; not that it can't be repaired, it just would cost more to fix than it would to replace the board. If you love to solder and are on a budget, please take a look at the following post:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twobits-wpc-mpu-complete-assembly#post-3487446
If you get with Duracell, they will provide some warranty coverage for your damaged board; the bad part of this is you have to send them the board with the batteries installed. If you do this, I would remove everything removable (ASIC, CPU, ROM) from the board before sending it in as the ASIC chip alone will likely cost more to replace than you receive in reimbursement.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:something tells me those are not rhe original batteries that leaked.
Oh yeah, you are right. Now that I'm looking at the batteries it looks like they were recently installed.
I would replace that board. Good thing there is an alternative to Rottendog for the WPC boards. This is fully populated and tested board from twobits. Just mention what game it is for upon check out and it will come with the game ROM too. http://www.twobits.com/WPC/
I smell a PayPus chargeback coming.............."item supplied was faulty/didn't match description etc"
Quoted from PinballManiac40:I would replace that board. Good thing there is an alternative to Rottendog for the WPC boards. This is fully populated and tested board from twobits. Just mention what game it is for upon check out and it will come with the game ROM too. http://www.twobits.com/WPC/
I got my Judge Dredd from eBay also and it too had major battery acid damaged MPU so I can relate. Game was stated as fully working but the damage made the start button (so couldn't play a game) and volume controls not work. I didn't have to get eBay or pay pal involved but I did have to call the seller and demand some kind of fix. He asked me to sell the damaged board on eBay (sold for $40 to him!) he then paid for his damaged board/shipping of the board/eBay and pay pal fees/ and the remaining amount for a new board. I bought a new rottendog board and it fixed everything.
That twobits one seems a lot more expensive than the rottendog one and the rottendog one I have has been working great. The twobit site says this board is for Dr Dude too but Its a system 11 not a WPC so I don't know why it's there.
Quoted from phillymadison:That twobits one seems a lot more expensive
Includes all the chips, so there is some price difference there.
Quoted from phillymadison:The twobit site says this board is for Dr Dude too but Its a system 11 not a WPC so I don't know why it's there.
There actually were some Dr Dude's built with the WPC board set.
Quoted from Pin_Guy:Oh yeah, you are right. Now that I'm looking at the batteries it looks like they were recently installed.
I took the old ones and put the ones
Quoted from Kal_el:I took the old ones and put the ones
By chance you have the old ones?
Quoted from PinballManiac40:There actually were some Dr Dude's built with the WPC board set.
Yes you're right I forgot about that!
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Your switch input wired connectors likely need to be repined based on how much damage I see there. Unplug J205, J212, J206/J207, and J208/J209 at the bottom of the board and J210 on the right side. Can you take some pictures of these disconnected?
Quoted from Kal_el:I can. I'm going to contact the seller. He said it all was in great shape and see if he'll pay for a new board.
Still waiting to see pictures of these connectors. Having a replacement board may only be half the battle if connectors need to be repined.
No. I hadn't seen the side view of the wired connectors yet. Need to see the side of the pins that you can see, not where it plugs into the male connectors.
I hope there is no damage to any of them. If that is the case, then a replacement board should be all you need.
Replacement board is on order?
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Having a replacement board may only be half the battle if connectors need to be repined.
The bottom terminals of the caps are clean, the switch connectors should be fine. But I would look at J210 connector for corrosion.
I had seen a couple of games with battery damaged female pin connectors and not damage the male pins.
Ok, you need pictures of the female end, just to clarify. Correct?
Also, I took these pictures (on Facebook) last night and plugged everything back in. Now the left launcher coil continuously is on and a plunger for the left lane continuously tries popping a ball up over and over.
Any idea what that is?
Quoted from PinballManiac40:I hope there is no damage to any of them. If that is the case, then a replacement board should be all you need.
Replacement board is on order?
Yes, will be here the beginning of next week. Or so says UPS.
Quoted from Kal_el:Ok, you need pictures of the female end, just to clarify. Correct?
Yes, the female connector is on the wired end, which will get plugged into the replacement board. Just want to be sure you're not risking damage to your other board.
There you go. J208 has corrosion on the female and male header pins. Gravity played a part in this. The top part of the J210 male header pins are black on the tips (at least according to the camera angle), so I would repin J210 along with J208.
Quoted from Pin_Guy:J208 and its connector needs to be replaced
The whole board is being replaced early next week.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:The whole board is being replaced early next week.
You still need to replace the J208 connector BEFORE you install the new board
Quoted from Pin_Guy:You still need to replace J208 BEFORE you install the new board
For sure.
OP, keep this in mind if you buy another game that has any battery corrosion. There seems to be other battery manufacturers that offer a similar warranty as Duracell.
Quoted from Pin_Guy:If you get with Duracell, they will provide some warranty coverage for your damaged board; the bad part of this is you have to send them the board with the batteries installed. If you do this, I would remove everything removable (ASIC, CPU, ROM) from the board before sending it in as the ASIC chip alone will likely cost more to replace than you receive in reimbursement.
Thanks guys. Do I just buy the set? I saw something like a ribbon set while I was looking for a board.
I bought the board with the chips because I didn't know if/how to take them out and didn't want to fuck them up. I know it was more expensive but I rather just have it done.
Again, thanks.
.100" pins for the J208 are very small and can be bought multiple places.
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/search.asp?pg=1&stext=08-50-0114&sprice=&stype=&scat=
If you don't buy a connector key, you still should fill the hole somehow, epoxy is another idea.
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/search.asp?pg=1&stext=15-04-9209&sprice=&stype=&scat=
And a 9 pin connector housing with a locking ramp.
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/search.asp?pg=1&stext=CP100-09-LR&sprice=&stype=&scat=
Guys do you really think 208 has corrosion or was it when the batteries were change it dropped down and landed on the connector and would fall off if it was turned over?
Quoted from GRUMPY:Guys do you really think 208 has corrosion or was it when the batteries were change it dropped down and landed on the connector and would fall off if it was turned over?
The pins are clearly corroded on the board. The connector should be repinned
Quoted from vdojaq:The pins are clearly corroded on the board
I was looking at the connector and didn't even look at the pins. My bad!
Quoted from Kal_el:I know you might kill me
Why would we kill you!! Yell and scream maybe, but never kill. 120.00 dollars seems like a waste when you just need 2 connectors at @ one dollar. Then 15 minutes of your time. Its also good practice as you may need to replace a GI connector some day.
Quoted from Kal_el:Ok, I know you might kill me for this but would just ordering this do the trick?
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/H-15736
This is the Transformer secondary cable it provides the AC voltage taps to the several different cards in the backbox; its available as it would be a standard cable. If you were to try and find the entire wiring harness, it would be the game specific switch harness you would need.
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