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I can't believe how much time and effort some of you have spent in this thread. If you were getting paid by the hour you guys would have enough cash to refund everyone! Fire up the grill, pop open a beverage and thank a veteran… do something worthwhile this weekend.
Quoted from Concretehardt:Is there any point to joining this lawsuit now and paying the $500 + 25% of whatever is recouped to the lawyer?
I certainly see no point in this… although I am glad many are going after him to at least make his life as stressful as possible over the next year or two.
Quoted from Pinballs:That is the worst case financial scenario, but not the only possible scenario. There are also other very good reasons to do this, such as finding out exactly what happened, forcing Jpop to face the music, and getting justice. Not doing this would allow Jpop to get away with it, and that ain't happening! It would also warn off other potential pinball crooks.
Moreover, if Mr John A Popadiuk hasn't properly organised his accounts, he could go to prison for fraud +/- tax evasion, and/or lose his personal assets such as his house. It would be nice to see him lose HIS shirt, given that he has no qualms about stealing one million dollars from us. Has he ever even apologised? This is the sort of thing that upsets people, and motivates them to lawyer up. I've lost $20,450, and frankly can live with losing another $500, no problem.
I agree but I think what Sean was saying is why should he or any one else join the lawsuit? As long as there are several already doing this John is not getting away with it. He's going to have to face the music. So what 's the benefit in having another few or another dozen or several dozen more join the lawsuit? I know the lawyer would like that but what's the point?
Quoted from fattrain:I think all the games should be auctioned off to some of the high end collectors who collect weird and/or very rare stuff (most of you know some of the people I'm referring too) and all owners who got shafted could split it but then again, just seems like more of a pipe dream...
Vendors would be first in line for any money left (I think). Buyers get sloppy (nothing) seconds.
Glad this horror story is finally coming to an end. What a nightmare for everyone involved and the hobby as a whole... amidst all the complaining, bashing and finger pointing anyone that sent this whacko money better not forget to look in the mirror and blame the person most responsible for the position they are in.
Tough lesson to learn here... sad thing is some of us won't learn a thing.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:No. Just, No.
1. Don't blame the victim. It's not their fault. This is akin to saying "she shouldn't have dressed like that".
2. These people that had the money to send JPop obviously did adult things and made adult decisions to get that kind of money, I'm pretty sure they don't need you telling them that they made a mistake. They already know, and they know better than any of us that didn't send money.
You started out great, but an empathetic person would have stopped after the ellipsis. It became rude shortly after that.
The truth hurts I know... its still the truth. Plenty of blame to go around. Not putting any on yourself is just simply foolish or in total denial.
Quoted from boo32:Teekee thank you for helping me see the light of how stupid I was and still am. Before you posted, I didn't realize how much I was at fault for John's lack of ethics. It is all clear to me now.
Whatever... I never said anything like that. Read it however you want to read it but nothing like that was ever said.
Quoted from boo32:Teekee - how did I mis-read the part about the person in the mirror being the most responsible for the position I am in?
Exactly... doesn't make you 'stupid' which is the word you chose to use not me.
Quoted from Chippewa-Pin:Some won't learn, but most will. You'll see.
Hope so...
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:Nor does it make them 'responsible' for his actions.
Thats like saying we are responsible when a company we buy products from engages in corporate malfeasance.
Again, read it how you want to read it. No one said you are responsible for HIS actions. Sorry the point got lost in the fog of anger and denial.
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:Saying they are 'responsible' is like saying we are all responsible when a company we buy products from engages in corporate malfeasance.
Not in the least... totally different. This was not a company with products this was a guy with no products, no nothing! No products just a dream that turned into a nightmare because of his stupidity and stubbornness. A dream that we CHOSE to finance. We put way too much faith in a guy with nothing.
Quoted from Aurich:This might not be a popular opinion, but I don't want John to go to jail. It's not really a worry for me, because frankly I think it's utterly unlikely.
I'm totally not victim blaming here, at all! But you guys took a risk sending money to someone who never actually made pinball machines by himself. Turns out he was an artist flake, he dicked around for years, and you lost your cash. Totally sucks.
But you're all adults who should have known the risks going in. Do I think you have the right to sue him and make sure he makes right what he can and doesn't "get away" with anything? Hell yes.
But going to jail? Come on. That's just a horrible thing to wish on someone. And I get that people are mad at him. But he didn't take your money and go to a tropical island. He did what some of us thought he'd always do, he farted around with pinball ideas for years, and never finished shit. As lame as it might be, he did work on pinball this whole time. He did spend your money on custom parts and development. It wasn't a scam, or a ponzi scheme, it was just a failed business from a dreamer who didn't handle the reality of getting things done.
It wouldn't feel like a victory to me, but rather a really dark mark on the hobby if he actually did jail time for that.
Personally I couldn't care less what happens to John. He deserves whatever is coming to him even though I don't feel he is totally responsible for this mess. I know in America today everyone is the victim and its never 'their' fault… always the fault of someone else but like was said above anyone that sent him money bears some of the responsibility like it or not. Sending large sums of cash to a guy with no products and no manufacturing company with just a pipe dream on paper… 
Quoted from NYP:A drunk driver doesn't intend to kill someone when he gets behind the wheel drunk, but he is held responsible for the death regardless of his intentions.
That is true unless we were the ones serving up the alcohol… we served up John a ton of alcohol!
None of that really matters right now… John is responsible AT THIS POINT to either refund the buyers or get them their games.
Quoted from rommy:It just feels like the community ... helped ... these guys rob our own community.
Jeez, now its the Pinside Communities fault… because of differing opinions… one way to stop people from taking your money… don't GIVE it to them.
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