Eric, in the interest of transparency, I suggest that you disclose generally, what you contributed to Jpops projects...

Di*khead... No. You missed the point (not surprised) which was to say that for those defendng JPop, they should explain that there is/was more to the story.

that's a good question. I used to live just a few blocks from him. Our kids went to middle school together. He told me a couple of years ago that I didn't need to pay him any more towards my spot , implied he didn't need the money. Now I'm wondering how he can afford to live.

Anyone else with a similar story?

OMG, I feel like I just gave birth! I've been trying to catch up on this thread on and off for the last six weeks or longer. Every time I get to within 50 pages of the end and put it down, another twenty pages erupt. This week. Today. I finally did it!

Timing was excellent as I can now wait for news from the floor of the show. Thanks to pdxMonkey, and the guys in Chicago that stepped up to get the pin shooting. Your names must be added to the pinside folk lore.

I was this close to changing today's flight back from the east coast to Denver and having it be diverted to SEATAC instead.

This probably will sound stupid bit for all those years that Papadookie was at his shop, I lived a mile away and stopped by occasionally for a visit, and to find out what he was doing with his time. Nothing seemed to change after he expanded his space. That to me, was the turning point.

Were it desired, one could shame him some in his local community. Bartlett is a tiny town. You can post a classified ad in the Bartlett Examiner. You can file a complaint with the PD, they all get printed in the paper too in the 'Police Blotter' (which, BTW, always made for some amusing reading.) Just use his home address so his neighbors will notice.

Bankruptcy or not, get the word out as much as you can.

Motion withdrawn?

So, what does that mean?

Quick shout out to all the folks going to Expo who were customers of jpop, if ya see me there be sure to say hi. I'll be sporting this custom designed and hand made T-shirt which took a lot of design work and initial prototyping with foam core to develop.
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I'm sure someone will swing by when they're in town for Expo. Great suggestion about the hot dog, I love the food out there too.

My choice would be the Italian Beef and hand-cut fries at Nana's in Streamwood. Closer than Portillo's and also award-winning. Oh, and don't forget to order a chocolate malt to go with it.

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Well Dan thank you for doing the legwork. That was really cool of you. I don't think any of us were surprised to find out that there weren't any obvious signs of manufacturing happening... please do share anything else they might email you in the future.

The last time I saw Papadiuk was on 12-26-2014, while I was getting the last of our stuff moved from Bartlett to Colorado. It was two months after his epic failure at Expo. I was there for roughly ninety minutes and it was more of the same BS. He was high on a big reveal to come after the first of the year, and told me manufacturing of MG would begin in March. The entire thing was just more of the same. By then I had already paid in full for RAZA so there was nothing to do but - gently - try and pry actual factual details out of him. Even in person, it was extremely frustrating, I can only imagine what the guys that were calling and talking to him on the phone instead went through. I recorded the whole episode but haven't played it back as I'm sure it would only get me pissed again.

So for this new startup, we could be kind and literally print a couple pages of history out and mail it to them. It could prevent great harm, in the form of any compensation paid to JPOP for anything other than sweeping floors at the local McD's.

Haha Mike, that is too funny. Gee, ever think of branching out?

So, Zidware customers get made whole and the Cubs win the world series, all in October 2016? Yes, then Hell would definitely have to freeze over too.

Hilton, you've been very vocal in this thread, of late. How much $$$ did you lose to Zidware? I'm in for over ten grand.

Put it to you this way. I last visited JPOP's shop in December 2014. I saw quantities of parts waiting to be integrated into assemblies for MG. MG was pretty far along. BHZA/RAZA was not functional yet, the topside of the playfield was about 50% mocked up components. BhZA customers had been paying installments for years by then. Where do you think the cash to pay for all those parts in bulk came from?

Ice, ya just about got that right. But it isn't 'drop the mic.'

Jpop would show up with a guy named Mike, and drop him.

Well, all these observations about how right now, the secondary market is determining the true value of the limited run of MG pins to 'collectors' certainly makes you wonder what JPOP could have raised by auctioning off the machines and then distributing the monies amongst all the creditors (customers, vendors, Pintasia, etc.) as I imagine the courts might have compelled him to do if he was forced into bankruptcy prior to last week.

Similarly, we know that one Pinsider who is an attorney was suggesting that the creditors all get together and agree on an amicable split.

It seems like using Frolic's math, recapturing a good deal of that $1MM wouldn't have been completely out of the question if pins are selling anywhere close to $40k each.

Now it's surely too late. With all that's left of Zidware now, after the games have left, it'd be like dividing up a sack of beans.

I wonder if the atty Zane knows how to swap in a different plaintiff for one(s) in the current suit that were effectively made whole when they took receipt of their MG. I could take their spot.

Hey, here's a fun story about a couple of guys that reportedly got in way over their heads in their own failed business adventure: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/01/526392280/fyre-festival-hit-with-100-million-suit-organizer-says-we-were-a-little-naive

I couldn't help but compare this to JPoop and Zidware. Well, that is, right up until the article described how humbly apologetic these two were/are regarding what all went down and their poor performance. Oh well.

I agree with Kim. Be civil, be proud, be the better man.

He is not going to cause me to lose my self respect. And being practical for a minute, Expo seminars like this one will likely be packed. Imagine how more screwed up it'd be if this crowd were forced to go through metal detectors and bag inspections like we now have at major sporting events... No thanks.

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Fascinating discussion as always but one thing about Magic Girl... it shoots like crap. I've played it a few times, and as recently as last October at Expo it (still) stunk like dirty feet.

I can't speculate as to why on earth DP would ever revive that title.