No, a lot of what he says makes sense on this to a person like me who has no skin in this game. If these games are going to be so valuable then grab the assets, sell them for top dollar, and split up the proceeds. Again, this is coming from someone outside looking in....I am sure my opinion would be different if I had invested the money and was expecting my game.

Sadly, all of this is likely a moot point if folks are already removing their games. Once they take possession, they are gone.

Maybe according to the letter of the law, but you know as well as I do, there is no judge that is going to order these games picked up from folks who had legitimate claims to them from the start. Now had someone come along after the fact and paid a nominal fee to take one home, they would stand a chance of losing them, which is more of what that provision is about.

Trust me, I know enough of how it works, and I know judges. I have assisted with many court-ordered seizures coming from Federal Bankruptcy Court...mostly from people trying to hide assets, but other situations as well. A judge is not going to victimize the same person twice. You are right in telling folks to go seek legal counsel, but because they have not done it to this point, the judge is not going to take games from folks that were bought and paid for, no matter what you say. He may order that no more be dispersed, and he may freeze other assets, but he is not going to send a Marshal to a person's home to confiscate a pinball game they bought and paid for months or years ago. Aside from being inhuman, it would be political suicide. It is a stupid argument anyway, as neither of us have anything to do with this and should leave it to those that do.

Putting all of the drama and hard feelings about this game aside for a moment, I have to say I love the artwork.

Just imagine how great Pinside would be if everyone agreed with (and complied with) that little statement.............

Probably the most sensible couple of posts on this subject so far. I also doubt anyone will have to give up a game already delivered.....however, the fact that folks are turning these so quickly for much more than they paid, and being so public about it could backfire on these folks if this thing really does go to bankruptcy court. As I said, I am a firm believer that no judge is going to seize a game that someone bought and paid for at realistic prices, but the fact folks are making bank on these and others are going with nothing, could be the catalyst to push some judge to do something out of the ordinary. If I had one of these in my house , I would be as quiet as a church mouse right now....just sayin...........

Ha, I knew better than to make a comment in this thread. Too many folks wanting to argue some imaginary point. "Out of the Ordinary" was probably a bad choice of words I guess. I was referring more about an "ordinary" type of judgment using common sense and an even approach....and yes, I am well aware the law is not based on common sense, but judges are allowed to use it from time to time. The term was NOT a challenge for every legal clerk to go and find some case law to post.

I was merely saying if this goes to court (which I highly doubt) people who have these machines can make the case they finally got what they paid for, and they own them fair and square. But listing one for double the price or bragging how you got 20K for something that didn't work, could anger the gods just a bit and bring on more of an emotional response. It's hard to have sympathy for someone when they doubled their money or more, while others are left with nothing. I wasn't arguing ANY legal points of any of this, and you all can debate those points to your hearts' content. I have no stake, and thankfully I am not a lawyer.

You might want to do some more research. There was a LOT more involved than just saying what someone did not want to hear. Several lines were blatantly crossed.

You are probably correct, but they were not the subject of the comment I made reference to. I just told the poster to do some research so he/she could make up their own mind. I'm not going to argue the point with you in this thread, we have already done that elsewhere. We just have to understand we have differing views and I doubt I would change your mind, and you won't change mine.