Quoted from Tharizdun:

The only people who might put any additional $$ into this are:
1) The people who are already stuck and might do something irrational - Throwing good money after bad money scenario. Seems like several of these people are active here.
2) People who somehow get conned and won't be told about the history till it's too late - "Guys, I just saw this thread after I wired my downpayment… nobody will return my email/calls now!!" scenario.
That has to be a real finite # of new funds. This whole situation defies logic and reason at this point.

Quoted from ForceFlow:

If this is even real/possible, I'm not even sure buyers would actually want to receive the game since it's so tainted now. Probably the best thing is to refund everyone before sinking any capital into building anything.

Quoted from MinusWorlds:

No it goes way beyond MG. Even if they got delivered there's almost 5 years of rightful animosity and misdeeds here. MG is a small part of the equation. It doesn't end there. RAZA and AIW. To make all those wrongs right you are talking about years and millions of dollars.
American Pinball will not be successful with a pre-pay model. They will have to inventory pinballs. Think about that from a carry cost and cash flow perspective.

Quoted from sd_tom:

Yep. The web of people f'ed over by JPOP is a lot larger than people who bought MG games. Maybe they figure making these 26 MG games will make us forget about RAZA, AIW, pintasia, and vendors that were screwed?
Or maybe jPop hasn't told American pinball about all these other debts have owes and they don't know the line is a lot longer.
Big cluster.. I guess it will be interesting October

Quoted from MinusWorlds:

Im personally worried that American Pinball had zero idea how bad the JPOP situation is.

Quoted from Whysnow:

you have not missed anything, but your analogy is completely flawed.
The correct annology would be that some one owes you money for stolen goods, which they have resold to their employer so the new employer could try and start a business. Guess what... The employer is now also sucked in to the bad decision making of the person that stole from you.
I am mostly amazed that anyone with money would be willing to potentially leagally marry themselves to Jpop and all that he owes.

Quoted from SilverballNut:

For how crazy all this is, I wouldn't be surprised if some Chinese company came in and bought/created a 'pinball company'.

Quoted from Pinballs:

I take your point, but disagree. Firstly, it wouldn't change anything because someone (e.g. Kaneda) will upload proper gameplay video (i.e. not the highly selective, misleading tosh we've had so far).
Secondly, by discussing the problems identified by the videos, solutions may result. You can't solve a problem without first defining it. Specifically, if the issue is code not geometry, it's fixable by Applejuice. Even if it's geometry, who knows? Burying head in sand is never a good idea, and sellers playing it devious by not uploading video will pay for it one way or the other. Just look at the reputational damage Cointaker is doing to itself by attempting to sell MG without providing an accurate description of its functionality e.g. whether the damn thing works or not. An amazing own goal there, because it makes them look dodgy, and presumably they have lost and will lose customers and orders as a result. Extremely dumb IMO, and in the Information Age it's not as if they will fool anyone but the most obtuse.

Quoted from frolic:

Cointaker would have been in a better position if they tried to sell the game in the box, unopened. But since they opened it, showed photos of it open, but then seem to be holding back showing it in an unflattering light, it becomes suspect.

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Sometimes I wish that this entire forum- its users, its news, the tech forums- all of it- could be seemlessly migrated to Facebook.
There- we would have all the information, news, tips- but none of the senseless soap opera that seems to follow pinball newgroups and forums. No matter how much moderation- or banning- goes down, we still get the same stuff here all the time that scares manufacturers and power players away in droves. The price police, the smarky sarcasm, you name it.
Not that there aren't Facebook pinball groups now, but there isn't one with the presence and participation of this group.
Kind of like pinball shows- at shows, people, in person, are at their best and tend to always consider the human behind the user.

Quoted from BD_Designs:

Good lord you guys just can't get enough of bashing Kaneda, can you? Regardless of him being banned, he still has a presence here because people keep bringing him up. If people think he craves so much attention, then why do they keep giving it to him? He's been banned for over a year and yet people still aren't happy.
If anyone else had done a review of this game or posted videos, everyone would be singing their praises, regardless of how they thought the game shot. But instead, since he was the one that gave everyone a first-look at the game, he still sucks and the game is even more awful because of it? I thought he did a pretty damn good job giving an unbiased, professional look at the game - more than any we have gotten of it in the past 5 years. I understand why people don't like him and why he was banned, but come on... At least be a little appreciative that he gave everyone a great look at the current state of the game. If you don't like him, then don't listen to his podcast or watch the videos. Your choice.
In regards to the game, not only does it really look beautiful, but I personally think it is still possible for it to be brought up to it's fullest potential. It seems like a lot of it is "there" and, granted, for the price tag and delays, it shouldn't have to be finished by the owners, but it does look like there is a great game somewhere in that machine. You can just see the potential and I strongly applaud the wonderful efforts of ZombieYeti, Matt Andrews, Applejuice, and all of the other artists that had a hand in getting it this far! It's a shame that so much was derailed and mismanaged by John, but it's hard to deny that the game could have been (and still could be) something really cool!