This is what happens when you continually try to police other peoples' actions. Just stop already.

So, here are the main questions I have on these games:

1. Does it have the processing power to handle the finalized code? If I remember right, there were a couple of WOZ sample machines floating around with out-dated processors that could not handle any of the modern updates. I am wondering if these 20 Magic Girl games can go "any further" when it comes to the code?

2. Is it fully wired? Are all of the mechanisms wired with the proper gauge wiring and can they be activated through the code and board ecosystem?

I think an inspection by someone familiar with pinball architecture could probably determine these answers fairly quick.

The media format that shant be named by the person that shant be named is pretty honest assessment of game. Seems like it is absolutely stuck in 'novice' mode. Sounds like some stuff not wired up which might be the reason (I.e., the novice mode is at least stable with missing shit where maybe the arcade software would be noticeably f'd up with the stuff missing?).

I'm not sure this game it going to be the salve for you guys caught up in this or Raza or AIW.

RAZA or AIW will NEVER be manufactured by JPop.

General comment.

Narcissists really don't mind nicknames like this or being called narcissists.

Not pleasant being on the receiving end of narcissistic rage though.

Back to MG!

Plus, referring to someone as "special" in a derogatory way is pretty offensive and rude to a lot of people, not just the guy he is calling that.

I do appreciate his honesty. I want full 'balls out' information and full transparency. Indeed, when I receive MG, I hope Martin will review it in great detail for Pinball News

If AP have let this machine out into the wild unfinished and incomplete, I think they may have sunk their future pinball aspirations with it, but I don't know full details yet.

The flipper strength isn't 'amped up' as far as i know. Its standard pulse time and hold, but of course most my code appears to be 'locked out' currently so who knows..... I remember shooting the ramp shot a load when it was been developed. I just never got a vac formed set for my own dev playfield, but i did get a set of 'hot glue prototypes' ...

Oh please, don't start this shit.

Oh trust me, I have been on the receiving end of some of his colorful PM's.

Are you able (and willing) to provide the latest version of your code to Kaneda to see if it will update and play?

Listened to the podcast - honestly it seems like a box of shit.
Pictures make it look real pretty but is sounds unplayable

Even shit can be valuable.

I mean, if I had an actual piece of Elvis Presley's shit - authenticated - I bet it would be worth some cash.

So think of this game as Elvis' shit.

If I were him, not a chance for a few reasons:
1) loses leverage on getting what's owed to him
2) given that it's not known the state of the game hardware, could damage the game
3) the installation could go poorly and 'brick' the game.

1) we all know he's never getting another cent, or the free game he never had in writing
2) who cares?
3) who cares?

If someone is willing to pay him money now he'd be a fool not to offer any and all assistance. A couple half-ass waivers from bobshapiro.com should take care of any liability concerns.

You did better than I! I got foam core when he was trying to recruit me early on.

Wow, so I do owe Hilton an apology. It had been so long I got him and Iceman confused. Hilton is still a piece of work for this above posts with Kim, but not in the way I said. I searched and searched and found the start of it I quoted above. That business account has PMs from Iceman too about giving out the address.

I apologize to Hilton. Looks like Iceman.

Hank's post is interesting at this point now. CT seems to have gotten an MG they are selling on their FB account, but still won't release deposits to folks. I understand they are out money personally as well, but still good of them to make right deposits they took as a distributor. It's all one hell of a mess.

Pinside is so full of creepy stalker types it can be hard to keep track of them.

A few of them seem to like you.....

I guess so, but I'm not buying shit ...
Pinball's not an investment to me, it's a hobby.
I just want good fun playing machines .. I don't see how this machine is valuable to anyone...

I am happy owners at least have something ... hopefully somehow code will improve to make this playable
I still think it's beautiful to look at ... it's sad JPOP didn't have a good business partner from the start that could of kept him on track.

yeah, the day I send anybody unsolicited hate mail, emails, facebook messages, go after them at work, or write crazy blogs about pinside enemies you might have me there.

Well...that didn't last long.

thanks for the appology. What you said was way out of line.

Please go back to edit your previous post so others (many only skim) know I am not some sort of stalker or harrassment dude sending people to your house.

well...

Edited. I still don't like you in the slightest. You are partly to blame for some the current issues in a lot of this mess with your pitchfork mentality.

I am to blame for the failures of Jpop? ok...

Not entirely, of course not! That guy did all that himself. You made a great effort to not help the situation any further, let's keep it at that

I'm learning more about individual members in this thread than I am about Magic Girl.

Someone promised to pay him money before and look what that got him. If I were him I wouldn't waste anymore of my time on it. This thing should be left alone. It is what it is and nothing more.

???

Actually I think me being vocal that MG owners should get organized/legal was a good thing. It seems that the handful of people getting organized and leading the charge on the legal front is a large part of the reason that 25 MGs are even going out the door at this stage.

I am proud of all you people that put in the leg work and got the ball rolling on legal actions! All MG owners shoudl be thanking those of you that made shit happen!

good job!!!!

Actually it seems kind of childish to me.

Exactly.

Isn't there some consumer protection law, or something along those lines, that can hold John accountable for misrepresenting the product that was delivered? While the game was shipped, it is no where near complete and seems like a bait and switch.

7:06 on the most recent MG unboxing episode...

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Wait, what, this thread is about MG?

Good luck with that.

It's gonna be hard proving damages when the games are worth more than face value. What's a judge going to do, force AP to create a video mode?

This is the end of the Magic Girl story.

I would think all of these questions were asked when the game was picked up.

* whats the phone number for support
* what is the duration of support
* what if I need parts, etc who will provide them?
* how do I update the software?
etc, etc, etc

If the game was truly non-functioning, I'd take it back and make him fix it. Unfortunately, If you had the game shipped, that could be a problem...

Maybe not..... I wouldn't let him have the game back as might never see it again!

Sometimes I wish that this entire forum- its users, its news, the tech forums- all of it- could be seemlessly migrated to Facebook.

There- we would have all the information, news, tips- but none of the senseless soap opera that seems to follow pinball newgroups and forums. No matter how much moderation- or banning- goes down, we still get the same stuff here all the time that scares manufacturers and power players away in droves. The price police, the smarky sarcasm, you name it.

Not that there aren't Facebook pinball groups now, but there isn't one with the presence and participation of this group.

Kind of like pinball shows- at shows, people, in person, are at their best and tend to always consider the human behind the user.

Yes, you coming in two years after we filed the lawsuit and you chanting "Get organised guys" is what really pushed things over the finish line. Your autograph should be clear coated on all playfields.

My gawd, you really don't get it.

That's a really good idea, cause nobody ever argues or trolls on Facebook.

I predict that MG will ultimately turn out to be a decent game. Unfortunately, it will require some very dedicated owners to rebuild half the game and finish off the code.

People will always argue and troll- but I do believe people are on their best 'internet behavior' on Facebook, generally.

I think most people would agree- it would be better if Pinside were ported in its entirety to a Facebook community.

It wouldn't be perfect- but it would be a whole lot better.

I highly doubt there would be any of this. It's not unlike the Skit-B accounting department, which right now is just an empty manila folder with a coffee stain on it.

Or the phone number for support will just be a WAV file of John saying "well, um.. you see... um.. tied up right now...been busy.."

No. I don't need Facebook to curate the content here. Just ready the good stuff and skip the crap. Facebook is not "the internet" and it's tiring to see people gravitate towards it like moths to a light.

Put up a poll and marvel at the results

It's incredibly easy to shape Pinside into what you want it to be... just utilize the ignore feature. The Whysnows of Pinside (along with all of the ridiculous antics and inflammatory comments) simply cease to exist... yes you see endless "ignore user" comments... but, frankly, the reality of your own experience is completely washed clean of the BS and negativity they deliver.

The biggest loss has been the fact that these hyper-posting and consistently controversial Pinsiders have driven away a ton of quality folks in the pinball world. That is something that will probably never be regained on this site. That's the fault the Pinside... would have been way better to just ban the inmates before they began running the asylum. Too late for that, tho.

The problem is-
We wouldn't be able to run an accurate poll
The people who either can't or don't want to be around here anymore for the reasons described above wouldn't participate.

Huh?

Isn't membership higher here than ever before?

I do agree with your concept though. "Ignore" those you simply can't stand, and remove thumb downvotes from what you see if this stuff aggravates you.

Well hell, that's great! The people who want to be on Facebook are there, and the people who prefer Pinside are here!

So why are you still here?

Wise words. Since you live down the street from me (relatively) and MOCO residents are pretty solid citizens, I am going to take your advice. I think it will definitely give me a better experience on here.