We all know where things are going to go in the civil case. If people want their money back, they need to be petitioning the attorney general and the local media to get on the case.

I would think the media would love to jump on this. I know they would here, especially during sweeps week.

somebody pump up the local media.

Time for action.

Still waiting on my RAZA refund.

I don't know why folks have been coy in pasting here Zane's email update details. Jpop knows all this stuff of course as it's what was discussed in court. So, to summarise:

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- On 16th July the case was up on Case Status and defendant’s motion to stay proceedings because they were “contemplating filing bankruptcy”. The judge indicated that he would not grant the motion to stay proceedings unless there was an actual bankruptcy filing. Since there has been no such filing defendant withdrew their motion.

- The judge granted our request to file the second amended complaint. He then allowed defendants up to 8-20-15 to answer or otherwise plead to the complaint. Defendants indicated to the Court that they are going to file BK as to the corporation only. The matter is next set for 8-25-15.
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Key issue here is that fraud and misrepresentation is not dischargeable in bankruptcy. Moreover, the defendants may not succeed in limiting this to Zidware's assets...

It's appalling that Jpop clearly has zero intent to pay back anyone even a penny, even though the bankruptcy 'strategy' was rather obvious. If he's stated to court that he's considering BK, doesn't this also make his continued activity on his website/blog and replies to potential new customer emails blatant fraud? I'm no lawyer but still...

Finally, I'm copying this text from Zane, as it is relevant for anyone else considering suing Jpop: "I have indicated [to court] that we would like to file only one more amended complaint to add more plaintiffs and I would like to do this before 8-1-15."

Thus, it would seem advisable for anyone wanting to join this case to do so ASAP! Through the looking glass, people

I'm also suing Kevin. Bring it on!

I'll give another summary - Jpop got spanked first time in court. Not only that he got upbraided by the court. He has made two HUGE legal errors right out of the gate that will cost him $$ no matter the outcome.

To me it appears he is handling communications with his attorneys in the same way as he handled clients. They are left in the dark without the whole story. He is not even going to defend one of the causes of action so that one will be default judgement IMHO. Apparently , the lawyers are hired to represent zidware. Anything else was viewed as frivolous, so no defense.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he? Lol, go go gadget pinball scammer

thanks for the update, I hope John is left without a pot to piss in as they say.

I don't understand why some of the people who got screwed are so willing to accept it. The thought of John continuing to go to work each day playing arts and crafts and learning how to build pinball machines out of foam makes me sick. He is doing it with our money, wake up people, he is laughing at how easy it was to screw us and so far, other than beginning a few lawsuits, we made it pretty easy for him. I think some suggestions made by some are valid, he should be paid multiple visits at his shop, without violence, just visiting him and giving him a hard time is worth the trip. We should make calls to the FBI, attorney general, his landlord. Put posters on the telephone polls in front of his house, put ads in the local paper, set up a JohnPopadiuk.com website and let google searchers know what he did, he MUST be held accountable. If you need to be reminded what a smug pug he is, think about how he is still fishing for money for new victims with AIW. He thinks he should be left alone to go on with his normal life and not be bothered by us "investor suckers". He was NOT an innocent bystander with a good heart, he knew what he was doing, he was screwing us LONG after he knew he couldn't produce anything. To sit back and do nothing and let him slide makes me wonder if some of you deserved to be screwed. Personally I'm not ready to let him off the hook. Even if jumping into a lawsuit doesn't get you any money, it might get you closure to know he was punished, legally and financially. We still have no idea if he is really broke or if he hid money. Remember all the ways he misled us and lied repeatedly and don't let him get away with this......

isn't it:

On 16th July the case was up on Case Status and defendant’s motion to stay proceedings because they were “contemplating waiting for a millionaire to show up and write a big check”.

Yeah, too bad Derek Smart wasn't in on any of Jpop's games!

For those who don't know, Derek Smart is the guy blowing the lid off of what may be the biggest video gaming and crowdfunding scandal in history (Star Citizen PC game). I read through his blogs last night and there are a lot of similarities with what Jpop has done, just at a much higher level (83 million dollars and almost 1 million backers).

Once the court battle gets heated up, and the resultant auctions, evictions, etc begin; this thread could hit 30,000.

I read a few articles on that mess. It closely parallels some of the stories here. Again, don't pre-order. It's really that easy. Hand people money and there's zero guarantee you'll get what was promised or anything at all for that matter. One thing is sure, anyone who supports pre-pay ventures at this point should plan on losing their money as a possible outcome. Sometimes when you gamble you lose.

The other day I posted a repost of fantasy goats post which I believe was taken from the JJP forum (jacks comments on JPOP) note I did not take that post from JJP's forum and post it here, I simply reposted/quoted a post from fantasygoat on this thread from the day before.... below was a portion of the repost of fantasygoats post:

My punishment from Jack for reposting a post that was already on this thread was that I was promptly kicked off of the JJP forum. My account and login are no longer valid as of the day of my above post (repost).
Hey jack I'm Not the one who pulled that info here from your site, I am (was) a customer of yours. I waited for a long time for my WOZ and then went thru issues with the game when I got it, but was always a strong supporter of you. To me you have shown your true colors by banning me from your site for a post that was made HERE and that I was simply reposting/quoting. I have cancelled my Hobbit order and won't be buying a game from you now or ever again! On a side note if you don't want poorly thought out posts you have made to be reposted elsewhere... then don't post poorly thought out stuff on the internet!
You sir have lost a good customer who believed in you enough to give you money years in advance for your games.

Below is a pic of the first and last JJP game I will ever buy!

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Everyone knew the risk before. No one wanted to believe it could happen, especially with someone like JPOP. His name alone probably made people feel more secure. Doesn't mean people shouldn't try to get their money back, but it was a risk people were willing to take to assure themselves of getting one of his pins.

OK, I have to chime in here and, no, I have NOT read the entire 16k+ thread. Here is my take on this and please correct me if I mis-speak.
JPop promises to create/produce/ship a new pin.
JPop accepts money for said venture
JPop creates an "exclusive club" for potential buyers (NDA's, etc)
JPop emails this club periodic updates on what is happening
JPop has other irons in the fire and begins to neglect his original quest
JPop starts spending the original monies collected on future (vaporware) projects
Early adopters find this out & get worried
Shitstorm ensues
Threats of legal actions are thrown about
Shitstorm amps up a few levels
People start to realize that JPop might, just *might* have fraud perfected to a science

Alright, if all or most of the aforementioned are accurate, I have a few questions.
WHY has not ONE person who has been screwed attempted to visit him at his place of business??!? And NO, I do NOT mean "pay him a visit" with your Uncle Guido or whomever, I mean stop by, drop in and view his progress or lack thereof. Seriously, has anyone here done this? Now, I fully understand that there are geographic impediments to some (most?) but come on, he doesn't live on a remote walled-in island for Pete's sake!
Again, if I missed anything or mistook any facts , my apologies.
non sequitur, but for what it's worth, I don't think I'd ever buy ANYTHING that has an attachment to JPop. This includes his non-existing 'fantasy' pins or even his past accomplishments, TOM, TOTAL, etc. They feel tainted to me now.

not that I'm suggesting this, but one of the funniest scenes on the Sopranos

full scene

IMO Jack is skating on thin ice. His company is at stake with his endless delays and putting his foot in his mouth.

I've never bought a game from JJP and from the way he conducts himself, I may not ever.

Good for you to stick to your guns and vote with your wallet. I was pretty close to buying a Woz when it first came out and my wife got to play it at an arcade. She loved the theme, she loved the look of quality and the RGB lights. I was hesitant to spend $7500 on any machine, and seeing constant ball jams of the prototype at expo set me uneasy. Then I started seeing the one on location have bad reset issues (had to unplug the balloon pop bumper to keep it stable), I saw trees break on the pop bumpers, I heard stories of owners having issues with the rainbow light board, and I was convinced it simply wasn't worth the money if that was the sort of quality they were putting out.

Jack, you need to lighten up for the good of your company. From what I understand, fantasygoat's repost wasn't even a repost from the JJP forum, it was a repost from ANOTHER public pin forum, and reposted to pinside. Ie: it was on the INTERNET and was making the rounds. As soon as you pressed "send" it was out there.

So you're taking punitive action on a customer, that wasn't even responsible for posting it here in the first place (either here on pinside, or that other forum).

I said it before, Pinsiders are your customers, and zidware customers are also JJP customers. To have some sort of line drawn in the sand and attack those same people is silly and you are costing yourself business for no reason.

Wow...Jack's a vindictive jerkwad, if that's true (not surprising). He should be more careful because at the rate he's going at, it won't take long to bury himself.

I'm curious as to the details of these errors - what exactly happened?

I love how John tried to use his stall tactic on a judge and failed. "Well, you know um, I might contemplate possibly by you know, filing for bankruptcy or something like that. I've been really busy, and, well, yeah. It's kind of like..."

Yes, someone from JJP forums re-posted it minus any "do not repost" language or context so I just forwarded it on to Pinside when I saw it.

In retrospect it was a bad idea since it's essentially just gossip-mongering and didn't really advance anything but the drama. That said, if it wasn't me it would have been someone else, and Jack needs to understand that once something is viewable via the internet, it's basically public knowledge. I don't say that as a defense, just as a fact of life online - never write anything down you wouldn't want the world to see and judge.

The fact that he's banned an actual customer of JJP from the forums over it is needlessly vindictive and ill-advised. I think that word-of-mouth in this industry has a bigger effect than, say, the auto industry, because we're talking about selling a few thousand units as being a massive success, so even ten lost sales has a visible impact on the bottom line.

As if Jack hasn't got enough problems with his own company, he's managed to get himself associated with JPOP and this thread. I can't fathom why Jack still stands by his comments made regarding JPOP. To top it off, he's acting petty towards a customer who was in on both of his prepays? Really Jack? So glad I sold my Woz and didn't get in on TH preorder.

People have.

But once you enter the building, you fall under the spell and become Jpooped.

No joke.

Still? In the "I can no longer build the games but Pintasia will so don't sue me oh wait Pintasia's gone but look I'm still building Alice!" Era?

But.. my pinballs are all down there

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My Uncle Guidio is a sweetheart and he wouldn't hurt anybody. He's a bit of a shut-in so he likes it when I take him for long car rides.

Holy crap!!!

Are you fucking kidding me??

This is absolutely preposterous! I mean seriously, WTF???

This is just great public relations. Screw one of your customers for quoting SOMETHING YOU SAID. Jesus!

WORST OWN ENEMY

I know they say Jack is a great businessman, I mean he probably is. But the theory is that it's far easier to keep your own loyal customers than to win over new customers. So, it eludes me why he even bothers posting this way (as Gary Stern doesn't do this). It's not like there is an unlimited pool of pinball geeks that are looking to spend $8K on a pin much less a series of multiple pins (which is what Jack should be looking for). So while I do look down on Stern in part (mostly code and cheapening the pins while raising prices, at least Gary doesn't bother antagonizing me, and I have bought 4 NIBs from Stern in the past 3 years).

Rick from PPS himself did antagonize me and so I'm not buying MMR, and Jack while he has not personally antagonized me, has by his shiftiness and his support of Jpop or blaming Pinside or blaming the people who lost money rather than blaming John and only John or keeping his trap shut like he should.

To tell someone "get the F out of my store" when they are $8k buyers is something else. Especially over something as trivial as quoting a previous public pinside post. We're not even talking about the person who "broke the TOS" reposting it originally.

Jack, you better get ahead of this, and probably make a few phone calls.

I put money on everything out there except JJP. They won't see a penny from me. And yes it's because of this typical behavior.

He's a horrible businessman. Jack is a salesman. One that will tell you anything to get a sale.

The Smaug toy will be the most interactive toy ever in a pinball

When did this become a JJP thread?

Who said it was?

Jack is the one who decided to open his mouth on the JPop fiasco. Fair game to discuss those comments here...in the JPop thread.

Jpop is the problem, no-one else. Laser focuses on Jpop and doesn't get distracted.

Seems like he is just mad at himself and decided to take it out on one of his customers.

Siding with JPop is baffling. Banning one of your own customers and largest supporters for years is mind blowing. Not sure what to say.

Agreed. It seems like he's coming unhinged a tad bit.

OT but what's the skinny on The Hobbit? Is it ever going to be released? I can't bring myself to read another multi thousand post thread.

Cool - I have a long time friend who actually works at the ftc in consumer protection. I was just asking her about this tonight and its application to jpop and she agrees this is up that alley. She can't state that the ftc will pursue but she encouraged everyone to file a complaint. She also said if I give her a summary she will take it internally and hand it to the appropriate people.

If anyone has a cliff notes version readily handy.. I'll be happy to hand it on

It would be interesting if the violations could be directly applied to Jpop as an individual, instead of targeting the company. I think it's pretty clear that Jpop intends to fold the company and dissolve any personal responsibilities. The scammer should be personally ruined by his neglect and outright dishonesty.

In a recent JJP thread someone gave Jack the advice to simply "STFU" and build pinball machines. One should never underestimate the power of posting on the Internet to do harm to oneself.

On the bright side; I guess money must not be as tight as rumored if JJP can afford to offend the customer base and show loyal paying customers the door

WOW... looks just like my pic!

Maybe JG can offer a Hobbit to Concretehardt Gratis to make up for the piss-poor way things have been handled.

Don't let it worry you, what happened says a lot more about Jersey Jack Pinball than it does about you.

Concretehardt, don't sweat it...there is NOTHING on those boards that isn't immediately posted here. True story.

JJP is so far off my radar in terms of my next purchase, its not even funny. Its totally unprofessional to bad mouth or even offer a biased opinion to anyone when you're trying to get sales from a product you make.

Do you ever get a good product from anyone that over sells themselves?

I am great, I am god, I am all knowing and others know nothing. Buy from me. Sound familiar?

It's like Jack thinks his fans should be solely loyal to his company. If that was the case his fans would have very lonely pinball collections.